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Post by 411500 on Feb 4, 2022 21:45:09 GMT -8
That's the sound of the the door being slammed, locked and bolted - on the season.
This season for OSU is officially history.
Coach has assembled a pretty good defensive team that rebounds well - but can't score.
It has a McDonald's All-American built for scoring who can't score.
It has an athletic talent with speed, hops and good hands who can't score.
It has a seasoned point guard transfer who can't score, and a veteran transfer who can't score.
It has a 6th year veteran who scores intermittently.
The Beavers fans have waited 17 games, or so, for someone on this team, besides Talia, to become a consistent scoring threat -- and no one has.
Losing Taylor was a big loss, but the bottom line is this is a team that cannot score points and, in a nutshell, that means they cannot finish in the top 4 or 5 in the Pac.
I'm disappointed beyond belief, but this season is toast. Over and out.
GO BEAVS!!
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Post by larbeav on Feb 4, 2022 22:06:37 GMT -8
That's the sound of the the door being slammed, locked and bolted - on the season. This season for OSU is officially history. Coach has assembled a pretty good defensive team that rebounds well - but can't score. It has a McDonald's All-American built for scoring who can't score. It has an athletic talent with speed, hops and good hands who can't score. It has a seasoned point guard transfer who can't score, and a veteran transfer who can't score. It has a 6th year veteran who scores intermittently. The Beavers fans have waited 17 games, or so, for someone on this team, besides Talia, to become a consistent scoring threat -- and no one has. Losing Taylor was a big loss, but the bottom line is this is a team that cannot score points and, in a nutshell, that means they cannot finish in the top 4 or 5 in the Pac. I'm disappointed beyond belief, but this season is toast. Over and out. GO BEAVS!! ------------------------------------------- |
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Post by sparty on Feb 4, 2022 22:12:18 GMT -8
That's the sound of the the door being slammed, locked and bolted - on the season.
This season for OSU is officially history.
Coach has assembled a pretty good defensive team that rebounds well - but can't score.
It has a McDonald's All-American built for scoring who can't score.
It has an athletic talent with speed, hops and good hands who can't score.
It has a seasoned point guard transfer who can't score, and a veteran transfer who can't score.
It has a 6th year veteran who scores intermittently.
The Beavers fans have waited 17 games, or so, for someone on this team, besides Talia, to become a consistent scoring threat -- and no one has.
Losing Taylor was a big loss, but the bottom line is this is a team that cannot score points and, in a nutshell, that means they cannot finish in the top 4 or 5 in the Pac.
I'm disappointed beyond belief, but this season is toast. Over and out.
GO BEAVS!!
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Post by rgeorge on Feb 4, 2022 22:48:19 GMT -8
Slam. Click. Bolt... on the use of, or non use, the quote function!
But, back to the OP... yeah might as well claim "Covid" for the rest of the season. Cuz, you know a team playing inconsistent ball, mediocre at times, can't possibly go into a Pac12 tournament, get hot, win the damn thing, and go dancing!
Nope... never can happen 😖
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Post by nwhoopfan on Feb 4, 2022 23:15:09 GMT -8
Slam. Click. Bolt... on the use of, or non use, the quote function! But, back to the OP... yeah might as well claim "Covid" for the rest of the season. Cuz, you know a team playing inconsistent ball, mediocre at times, can't possibly go into a Pac12 tournament, get hot, win the damn thing, and go dancing! Nope... never can happen 😖 Yeah, but looking at the entire history of the Pac 12 tourney, it's very much lacking underdog teams getting hot and winning it. USC was the lowest ever seed to win it as a 5, in 2014. Not only that, but both teams that have been in the championship game have been a top 3 seed almost every year (out of 40 combined teams in the title game, only 3 have been seeded 4 or lower). Also, Stanford has been in the title game virtually every year (18 out of 20). We'll see soon, but last year the Beavs absolutely could not match up with the Card and I expect more of the same this year. Bottom line, to win the Pac 12 tourney most likely the Beavs would have to beat Stanford at some point, and I don't think they can do it. |
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Post by rgeorge on Feb 4, 2022 23:39:55 GMT -8
Slam. Click. Bolt... on the use of, or non use, the quote function! But, back to the OP... yeah might as well claim "Covid" for the rest of the season. Cuz, you know a team playing inconsistent ball, mediocre at times, can't possibly go into a Pac12 tournament, get hot, win the damn thing, and go dancing! Nope... never can happen 😖 Yeah, but looking at the entire history of the Pac 12 tourney, it's very much lacking underdog teams getting hot and winning it. USC was the lowest ever seed to win it as a 5, in 2014. Not only that, but both teams that have been in the championship game have been a top 3 seed almost every year (out of 40 combined teams in the title game, only 3 have been seeded 4 or lower). Also, Stanford has been in the title game virtually every year (18 out of 20). We'll see soon, but last year the Beavs absolutely could not match up with the Card and I expect more of the same this year. Bottom line, to win the Pac 12 tourney most likely the Beavs would have to beat Stanford at some point, and I don't think they can do it. First, I was being a smart ass. But, considering OSU fans just lived thru maybe a more unlikely scenario, anything is possible. I mean who thought last season's MBB team would win 3 straight vs UCLA, ucks, Colorado to make the dance? Let alone the E8? Bottom line... horrible loss to ASU. Horrible, embarrassing way to lose where the opportunity was basically taken out of the players' hands. But, the season is far from over. |
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Post by beaverstever on Feb 5, 2022 5:03:04 GMT -8
The root cause IMO is that Rueck saw the history of players like Ruth and Marie, and got overconfident in their ability to develop bigs that came in with minimal offensive skills. I’m reality, players are simply who they are if they’ve played basketball all growing up. He’s had a string of bigs now not develop on anywhere near that type of trajectory, or not at all due to health issues. That has really piled up at this point. Maybe they’ve already learned that lesson, as next year it looks like we have players coming in who can impact immediately on offense , and even if they don’t progress much, they are still likely good Pac-12 players for 4 years.
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Post by blodgettbeaver on Feb 5, 2022 7:23:40 GMT -8
The root cause IMO is that Rueck saw the history of players like Ruth and Marie, and got overconfident in their ability to develop bigs that came in with minimal offensive skills. I’m reality, players are simply who they are if they’ve played basketball all growing up. He’s had a string of bigs now not develop on anywhere near that type of trajectory, or not at all due to health issues. That has really piled up at this point. Maybe they’ve already learned that lesson, as next year it looks like we have players coming in who can impact immediately on offense , and even if they don’t progress much, they are still likely good Pac-12 players for 4 years. Bigs are not our issue. We do not have consistent guard play. When Taliia is at point she turns the ball over and we don't have consistent shooters outside for her to pass to. When she is not running point our transfer pg doesn't shoot. Talia seems to turn the ball over at critical times in the game that prevent us from extending leads in close games and letting the other team back in it. She is a great talent just needs to learn from this. |
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Post by norm on Feb 5, 2022 9:44:37 GMT -8
This team is 2 weeks away from being 11-11, which will leave them out of the tournament. Maybe an NIT run can restart the program, like it did for AZ 3 years ago.
I haven’t seen anything that gives me confidence that the Beavs will win any of the next 5. Then there are 3 more (all winnable), then the conference tourney. I am guessing a 15-12 finish. Maybe 16-12 with a make-up game rescheduled in there. That won’t get in.
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Post by beaverstever on Feb 5, 2022 9:53:18 GMT -8
The root cause IMO is that Rueck saw the history of players like Ruth and Marie, and got overconfident in their ability to develop bigs that came in with minimal offensive skills. I’m reality, players are simply who they are if they’ve played basketball all growing up. He’s had a string of bigs now not develop on anywhere near that type of trajectory, or not at all due to health issues. That has really piled up at this point. Maybe they’ve already learned that lesson, as next year it looks like we have players coming in who can impact immediately on offense , and even if they don’t progress much, they are still likely good Pac-12 players for 4 years. Bigs are not our issue. We do not have consistent guard play. When Taliia is at point she turns the ball over and we don't have consistent shooters outside for her to pass to. When she is not running point our transfer pg doesn't shoot. Talia seems to turn the ball over at critical times in the game that prevent us from extending leads in close games and letting the other team back in it. She is a great talent just needs to learn from this. I get your point, but my view is that this should be a year where our bigs are taking the pressure off of the young guard because they are the experienced players. We shouldn’t be forced to need frosh and transfers to be leading. If Aquino, Morris, Simmons, Goforth, and Samuel had panned out, or at least Kennedy/Jones could regularly combine for 30-35 ppg, this team is easily a tourney team. That’s a lot of recruiting misses too make up for - and part of us not having upperclassmen guards who aren’t transfers was due to the huge investment in bigs that didn’t pan out. Transfers, injuries and unfulfilled potential are all part of the deal - every program has to deal with this. Can you imagine UConn or Stanford missing the tournament? We see Rueck as having built an elite program, but elite programs don’t miss the tournament regardless of some bad luck. Our scale of recruiting misses resulting in a missed postseason means systematic missteps by our coaching staff that needs a complete rethink IMO (which may have already happened, as I previously pointed out) |
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Post by jones on Feb 5, 2022 10:40:49 GMT -8
In the 3rd quarter our best line-up dominated. Talia, Greta, A.J., Kennedy (a big, BTW)and either Ellie or Taya, were rollin'. Then a timeout and Rueck subbed in several players and the turnovers began. There was no reason to do that. That lineup wasn't seen the rest of the game. Both Greta and A.J. are our fastest players and they both can handle the ball. Of course the one official was making questionable calls all game but we overcame them. The technicals were embarrassing to the Pac-12 in general. Ending a game with 6 free throws??? Also, the ref who called the technicals was laughing and joking with the ASU coach all night on camera. There were virtually no replays shown.
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Post by ricke71 on Feb 5, 2022 10:47:20 GMT -8
That's the sound of the the door being slammed, locked and bolted - on the season. This season for OSU is officially history. Coach has assembled a pretty good defensive team that rebounds well - but can't score. It has a McDonald's All-American built for scoring who can't score. It has an athletic talent with speed, hops and good hands who can't score. It has a seasoned point guard transfer who can't score, and a veteran transfer who can't score. It has a 6th year veteran who scores intermittently. The Beavers fans have waited 17 games, or so, for someone on this team, besides Talia, to become a consistent scoring threat -- and no one has. Losing Taylor was a big loss, but the bottom line is this is a team that cannot score points and, in a nutshell, that means they cannot finish in the top 4 or 5 in the Pac. I'm disappointed beyond belief, but this season is toast. Over and out. GO BEAVS!! ------------------------------------------- I get that your post may have been designed to stir some conversation. Season is "Officially history". Hmmmm......Officially?? Hopefully the hand-wringing/disappointment is felt MOSTLY by the team members and the coaching staff, rather than the fan base - and that the players emotions translate into a fierce response over the next 8 (or more) games (as opposed to 'slam / click / bolt'). There is still much to be accomplished. For example: Will the true freshman players (AJ and Greta) 'graduate' to play with a "no-longer-a-freshman" attitude? Each of these two young athletes have now played in 7 PAC-12 games....with about 8 to go. Will the progress that Mitrovic has shown continue in a manner that will give the team an awesome group of bigs next season (Brown, Mitrovic, Jones, Beers)? To simply say the season is over has echoes of what some fans are saying (perhaps correctly) regarding the Men's Basketball Team. |
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Post by bvrbooster on Feb 5, 2022 12:55:44 GMT -8
I'm afraid 411 is correct. The team that scores the most points wins, and we don't score many. We're averaging 59 in 7 conference games. In our last 2 conference losses, our 3 point percentages were 8.3 and 16.7 respectively, which pretty much guarantees a loss. Combine that with prodigious numbers of turnovers, and the other team is gonna come out ahead.
It's 3 weeks until March, folks. Emily and Tea aren't going to become scorers in that time, nor will Ellie find her 3 point shot that's been missing all year. And the turnovers aren't going to miraculously cease.
No NCAA tournament for us this year.
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Post by Werebeaver on Feb 5, 2022 13:53:38 GMT -8
That's the sound of the the door being slammed, locked and bolted - on the season. This season for OSU is officially history. Coach has assembled a pretty good defensive team that rebounds well - but can't score. It has a McDonald's All-American built for scoring who can't score. It has an athletic talent with speed, hops and good hands who can't score. It has a seasoned point guard transfer who can't score, and a veteran transfer who can't score. It has a 6th year veteran who scores intermittently. The Beavers fans have waited 17 games, or so, for someone on this team, besides Talia, to become a consistent scoring threat -- and no one has. Losing Taylor was a big loss, but the bottom line is this is a team that cannot score points and, in a nutshell, that means they cannot finish in the top 4 or 5 in the Pac. I'm disappointed beyond belief, but this season is toast. Over and out. GO BEAVS!! ------------------------------------------- I’m disappointed too. But not “beyond belief”. |
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Post by beaverwbb fan on Feb 6, 2022 7:54:22 GMT -8
Bigs are not our issue. We do not have consistent guard play. When Taliia is at point she turns the ball over and we don't have consistent shooters outside for her to pass to. When she is not running point our transfer pg doesn't shoot. Talia seems to turn the ball over at critical times in the game that prevent us from extending leads in close games and letting the other team back in it. She is a great talent just needs to learn from this. I get your point, but my view is that this should be a year where our bigs are taking the pressure off of the young guard because they are the experienced players. We shouldn’t be forced to need frosh and transfers to be leading. If Aquino, Morris, Simmons, Goforth, and Samuel had panned out, or at least Kennedy/Jones could regularly combine for 30-35 ppg, this team is easily a tourney team. That’s a lot of recruiting misses too make up for - and part of us not having upperclassmen guards who aren’t transfers was due to the huge investment in bigs that didn’t pan out. Transfers, injuries and unfulfilled potential are all part of the deal - every program has to deal with this. Can you imagine UConn or Stanford missing the tournament? We see Rueck as having built an elite program, but elite programs don’t miss the tournament regardless of some bad luck. Our scale of recruiting misses resulting in a missed postseason means systematic missteps by our coaching staff that needs a complete rethink IMO (which may have already happened, as I previously pointed out) Happened to Notre Dame though. They were terrible in 19-20, two years removed from an NCAA championship and one year removed from an NCAA championship appearance, despite being a perennial power. They lost elite caliber players and didn’t have the players to replace them, plus they had some injuries and transfers. After landing two major 2021 recruits and Stanford transfer Maya Dodson, they’re back in the top-15. We need to land a really good guard or two in the off-season to get back to where we were IMO. |
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