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Post by grad1973 on Jan 29, 2022 14:45:38 GMT -8
SAys a it all, thanks
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Post by rmancarl on Jan 29, 2022 14:58:44 GMT -8
Thank you for your input. Well organized and illuminating. The fact that we only have "one major scoring threat" seems rather astonishing to me, given that we have had outstanding 3 point shooters year after year. Where are they now? Do I not recall, Coach Rueck praising his new recruits for their ability in that area? Well, our starting center, who is second on the team in scoring, has been out several games. That doesn't help. The team scoring average has gone down quite a bit in that time frame. To address your three point shooting concerns, let's take a look. The two players on the team with the best 3pt shooting percentage are Greta and AJ. Greta at over .400 and AJ at .387. Nothing shabby about those numbers, but you are talking about freshman who are overall inconsistent in their game. I like AJ's aggressiveness but Greta has the better overall skills. Unfortunately, she seems to be less confident and slower to adapt to the Pac12 game. Given time, they'll both probably be consistent at shooting 3's for the Beavs. The unexpected loss of Sasha certainly didn't help in this area, as she could both hit the 3, and take that one long stride and get to the hoop. Two players who I'm sure the coaches expected to hit the 3's this year, Ellie and Emily have both shot lower than their career 3pt percentages this season. This may be attributed to the moving of the 3 point line, but I also think some of it is a timing issue with players not being used to playing with each other and in Emily's case, a new system. Some of it may just be a shooting slump. Taya has actually been shooting the 3 pretty decently this year, but she's only averaging 3 3pt shots per game, which means she only makes one per game. That doesn't cut it when you need more scoring. There's a chance those players break out of their slump, gain confidence, and experience, and we see an improvement as this year goes along. I'm not holding out a lot of hope for drastic improvement this season, but I do expect we will see much stronger seasons from Greta and AJ next year, and I do expect we will see a transfer guard/wing come in next year who can score and hit the three. I'll be very surprised if that does not happen.
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Post by markarmour04 on Jan 29, 2022 15:03:11 GMT -8
The 2015-2018 teams had a really great stretch of health luck — Weiss missed a stretch of games one year but otherwise they were always healthy.
The past few years, starting with the Tudor injury, they’ve had a series of season-long injuries that have destroyed their depth and cohesiveness.
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Post by beaverwbb fan on Jan 29, 2022 16:46:10 GMT -8
(1) Failure to recruit true point guards (year after year). Yes he takes the best shooting guard and turns her into a point guard and in several cases they have done well (Sydney, Aleah), but then you have your best shooter not playing shooting guard.
(2) Failure to develop post players. Last real success story was Marie Gulich. Probably not fair to say Taylor Jones is not working out, because she clearly has had very significant injury problems and may never be a factor again. Somebody on the coaching staff is not developing post talent the way they used to.
(3) Lots of poor judgments being made in regards to who we are recruiting and signing. The team has always had good three point shooters, now we are the absolute worst. You listen to what Coach Rueck says about all the improvements the various players are making and then you watch the product on the basketball court and you see a team that is likely to finish at or near the bottom in the conference.
(4) Team is often playing "not to lose" rather than to win. They look like a team that is being over controlled and over coached by an excessively domineering coach. (1) Yes. Major yes. Not only failure to recruit true point guards, but even shooting guards over the past few years (until 2021, when he got two ranked in the top-12 at one point, but finished in the 20-40 range). It resulted in one impactful guard in the 2018-2020 classes, and that was Sasha who is no longer with the program. The result has been OSU being heavily reliant on freshman and mid-major transfers. Simmons was expected to be a really high caliber guard, but never seem to hit her stride, then we missed out on both Shelley and Martin in 2019 and a bunch in 2020. Sydney and Aleah weren't really shooting guards. At the very least both were considered "combo-guards" when they committed to OSU (as deemed by scouts and evaluators), so I don't think it was a big surprise. Pivec is probably a better example of a shooting guard turned point guard, but she was very good at it as a freshman. We were young that season, but that was a great starting five in terms of skill sets and abilities. (2) I would say Jones was a success story for her first two years. Pac-12 All-Freshman Team, Pac-12 All-Defensive Media Team, and All-Pac-12 Honorable Mention as a freshman and All-Pac-12 honoree followed up by Pac-12 Defensive Honorable Mention as a sophomore. I'm hopeful she can overcome her injuries and have a full offseason to work on her game. (3) Scott is signing and recruiting some pretty decent three-point shooters. Tea and Emily were both around 38% last year, Mack shot above 40% in her years at Bucknell, Greta shot high percentages in high school (and this year), and Talia shot it really well last year. Shooting it pretty poorly this season, but this team has some shooters who have proven they can knock down shots at the collegiate level before. (4) I would generally agree with this. He seems to trust Talia more than Tea to freelance -- which isn't surprising. She was doing a lot of one-on-one last night, especially in the fourth quarter. Scott told her he needed her to takeover the game, so I'd assume that's what he wanted.
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Post by beaverwbb fan on Jan 29, 2022 17:00:51 GMT -8
One other positive he has three very good three point shooters for 2022 coming in but as of yet not one serious PG that he is seeking for 2023 or 2024? He's very serious about Blakes and Gibb in 2024. Olson as well. She's listed as a combo-guard, but could play either. Olson and Blakes have visited. All three have offers and coaches have been out to their high schools to see them over the past few months. Katie Fiso from Washington is another really good one in 2024.
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Jan 29, 2022 18:26:52 GMT -8
The 2015-2018 teams had a really great stretch of health luck — Weiss missed a stretch of games one year but otherwise they were always healthy. The past few years, starting with the Tudor injury, they’ve had a series of season-long injuries that have destroyed their depth and cohesiveness. Jamie missed several weeks when she broke her hand punching a locker after a loss. And the beavers have had a string of unfortunate injuries these recent years.
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Post by sparty on Jan 29, 2022 18:56:38 GMT -8
I ‘believe’ that I see some tension between Rueck and Huth on the sidelines . Does not seem that Scott engages with her willingly on the sidelines and when she is trying to talk to him - he is not paying attention to her . This could have been a bad choice and may be hurting us now. There was a much closer interaction between Scott and Faulkner! I may be way off base and am not trying to be critical -but, just watch closely next game. As far as development of the bigs - I personally do not think we have had enough injury free time between Jelena, Taylor and Kennedy to be able to fairly judge that. I have seen improvement in all three though . Kennedy was GREAT last night. She was being fouled the entire game ( hard ), and USC was collapsing three to the hoop every time they were on defense - primarily to stop TVO’s driving lay ups . Go Beavers Sometimes when you were a head coach and you become an assistant somewhere else you forget that your role has to be different than it was previously. Some adjust to that while other not so much. When you losing it get magnified.
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Post by grad1973 on Jan 30, 2022 8:43:41 GMT -8
One other positive he has three very good three point shooters for 2022 coming in but as of yet not one serious PG that he is seeking for 2023 or 2024? He's very serious about Blakes and Gibb in 2024. Olson as well. She's listed as a combo-guard, but could play either. Olson and Blakes have visited. All three have offers and coaches have been out to their high schools to see them over the past few months. Katie Fiso from Washington is another really good one in 2024. I’ve tried to find reference to a Blake’s and gibb could you help me?
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Post by beaverfever148 on Jan 30, 2022 9:35:13 GMT -8
He's very serious about Blakes and Gibb in 2024. Olson as well. She's listed as a combo-guard, but could play either. Olson and Blakes have visited. All three have offers and coaches have been out to their high schools to see them over the past few months. Katie Fiso from Washington is another really good one in 2024. I’ve tried to find reference to a Blake’s and gibb could you help me? You can always check out the 2024 recruiting thread, but Mikayla Blakes is a recruit from New Jersey. Delaney Gibb is from Canada and played on the same club team as Timea Gardiner.
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Post by bmoc on Jan 30, 2022 11:15:24 GMT -8
Syd broke her hand against Tennessee at Gill. Katie stepped in and helped lead us to a home win against Stanford (Deven was draining threes during the game) for the first time in about 9 years. Gabby played with a bad back during most of her career and just gutted it out. Can you imagine anyone else defending Kelsey Plum besides her?
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Post by bvrbooster on Jan 30, 2022 11:51:18 GMT -8
Syd broke her hand against Tennessee at Gill. Katie stepped in and helped lead us to a home win against Stanford (Deven was draining threes during the game) for the first time in about 9 years. Gabby played with a bad back during most of her career and just gutted it out. Can you imagine anyone else defending Kelsey Plum besides her? Gary Payton
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Post by skyrider on Jan 30, 2022 11:58:32 GMT -8
From my forty years or so of watching OSU women's basketball, my choice for the best overall defensive player on a Beaver women's team has been Gabby Hansen.
Other nominees?
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Post by rgeorge on Jan 30, 2022 12:09:35 GMT -8
From my forty years or so of watching OSU women's basketball, my choice for the best overall defensive player on a Beaver women's team has been Gabby Hansen. Other nominees? To me in a similar era, hands down the best overall and defensive player... Felicia Ragland
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Post by avidbeaver on Jan 30, 2022 12:11:51 GMT -8
Your points are well stated and insightful. However, according to both Coach Rueck and the various recruiting services, our quality of recruits has increased over the past several years and therefore OSU should have been able to keep improving and not necessarily had many other programs catch up with them. I still maintain that some key components of recruiting and developing of players after they arrive on campus are lacking as compared to past years. Perhaps, as is so often the case with OSU sports teams, the Athletic Department is unwilling to step up and pay to obtain and keep quality assistant coaches for women's basketball. One assistant left to become the head coach at Montana. No amount of money was going to keep him here. The other, who wanted the same job, left because she thought the head coach favored one assistant over the other when asked by Montana who he would recommend (given the Griz's success, it appears his recommendation was solid). She did not leave because of money. Pursuing, or properly paying, assistant coaches has not been a problem in the women's program. How about you give the new assistants more than seven or eight months to grow into their jobs. Wasn't KF situation related to her spouse getting a job jn Washington? Granted I am sure she wanted the Montana opening but even though she was a great recruiter and coach, she couldn't expect CR not to have an honest opinion. She will get her chance and I am sure she will succeed when it happens.
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Post by beaveragain on Jan 30, 2022 12:19:44 GMT -8
One assistant left to become the head coach at Montana. No amount of money was going to keep him here. The other, who wanted the same job, left because she thought the head coach favored one assistant over the other when asked by Montana who he would recommend (given the Griz's success, it appears his recommendation was solid). She did not leave because of money. Pursuing, or properly paying, assistant coaches has not been a problem in the women's program. How about you give the new assistants more than seven or eight months to grow into their jobs. Wasn't KF situation related to her spouse getting a job jn Washington? Granted I am sure she wanted the Montana opening but even though she was a great recruiter and coach, she couldn't expect CR not to have an honest opinion. She will get her chance and I am sure she will succeed when it happens. My understanding is that KF asked folks at Montana what she needed to get a yes at the next interview for wherever head job. They told her she had only been at one program and that it was already successful when she got there. She needs to show she can help build a program up. Washington is a great opportunity for her to do that. And yes, her husband could not get a job in the small job pool that is the Corvallis area.
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