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Post by castorcanadensis on Apr 26, 2023 13:27:17 GMT -8
Doesn't mean its not crazy place to put it. But whatever, the rich do what they want. What "rich" person wanted it located there? Money has nothing to do with it. It's the perfect place. No green space removed, no neighbors pissed off by construction/operation, plenty of adjacent parking, no need to add additional parking, and easy access from the majority of the dorms. And it's a place to show off on the tours for prospective students that will start in the west side welcome center. Parents of prospective students like amenities like the Health center so they know their kids will be taken care of it the need arises. Show off to parents the kids are taken care of? Umm ok. So going to OSU this year or before they aren't or weren't taken care of? This building could have gone anywhere on campus or another spot near the stadium. But there of all places, where they put the footings for an upper deck. Brilliant because if a kid falls ill over at the ALS building good thing that health center is over at Reser.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Apr 26, 2023 13:47:45 GMT -8
I'm wondering just how much "potential" expansion was cooked into the stadium design. I've heard we can fit a few thousand more by adding wings, and I kinda wonder if not doing it up front is a penny-wise pound foolish thing. What they didn't do now will probably cost them 2-5 times as much a few years down the road if the Beavers get on a multi-year hot streak and more seating is desired. It feels to me like the powers that be took a look at the GA and pandemic years and home TV competition and decided 38k is all we could ever hope for. We're actually not all that far removed from selling out a 42k stadium on most weeks... it could happen again... especially if the team is at or near the top of the conference a couple/few years in a row. It'd be nice to know whether or not the 2nd level in the south end zone or anything beyond extending the wings on the west side is even possible if everything went well. The larger stadium business model is out the window. It's smaller stadiums, with more premium seating. If we sell out they will likely just increase ticket prices. It will take a lot for them to consider a stadium expansion. Especially since the expansion would likely be lower revenue reserved seating and not "premium" seating. The construction costs versus the revenue increase from normal additional seating just doesn't pencil out without the luxury seats. That is especially true with adding a second deck in the end zone. I'm not talking large, I'm not talking omitting luxury seats. I'm talking mostly sticking with the 42k they already had, in this configuration with 4k additional seats. I think the school has screwed itself out of 4000 fan seats that maybe would have been filled the last half of THIS upcoming season, or at least future seasons assuming the team does well. I can't really see the wings EVER being built now. What may have been 10 million (I'm just spitballing with thes numbers) to add on to this build will probably cost 30-50 million to do on their own if the AD is thinking they blew ticket projections going forward. Adding 4k of additional seating after this buildout just doesn't make sense. They essentially have committed to watching live Beaver football here being a rich man's passtime. Some families and lower income earners will manage season tickets, but the AD is basically eliminating the "cast a wide net" theory as far as acquiring future fans goes. We'll see whether it's sustainable or flames out over time as set prices creep up.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Apr 26, 2023 13:53:44 GMT -8
Good luck with that since they built a medical facility in that end zone, the most ridiculous thing they could have done. There is no stadium renovation without the Student Health Center. It helped fund the project and its inclusion helped sway some north-of-the-track naysayers. Some people assume the Medical center eliminates the possibility of a 2nd deck. I'm not so sure about that. Building significantly back away from the field is probably out, building vertically might not be.
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Post by joeavocado on Apr 26, 2023 13:56:41 GMT -8
I think if there is another renovation it will be the Valley Football Center roof and field side (south) of the building. Add some more amenities to Valley, replace an ageing roof, and add 2-3,000 seats above the current Terrace seats. Reser ends up at 40,000, the perfect size.
The reason the health center is on the south end is because they needed to sell the state on additional amenities being built, not just a football stadium. Thus you get the Student Welcome Center tacked into the new West Side and the Health Center in the south end, not really anywhere else for it to go. This made the project a multi-faceted campus improvement and easier to get state support. Also, most people, me included, would never want to sit in an upper deck in the south end zone, it would never pay for itself.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Apr 26, 2023 14:12:05 GMT -8
I think if there is another renovation it will be the Valley Football Center roof and field side (south) of the building. Add some more amenities to Valley, replace an ageing roof, and add 2-3,000 seats above the current Terrace seats. Reser ends up at 40,000, the perfect size. The reason the health center is on the south end is because they needed to sell the state on additional amenities being built, not just a football stadium. Thus you get the Student Welcome Center tacked into the new West Side and the Health Center in the south end, not really anywhere else for it to go. This made the project a multi-faceted campus improvement and easier to get state support. Also, most people, me included, would never want to sit in an upper deck in the south end zone, it would never pay for itself. Having sat in an endzone upper deck at a larger stadium once, I thought it beats low in the endzone through 15-20 yard line or so (maybe quite low anywhere) as far as game action visibility goes. I like your ideas on the north endzone. That facility will be upgraded at some point if college football still exists in it's current form and the arms race continues. At that point tacking on seats could at least not be an entire separate project. I think the Student health and welcome centers were needed, and it's a smart location for them. Unless they for some reason need a view of the stadium field, they may not necessarily kill expansion on that end simply because they exist.
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Post by Judge Smails on Apr 26, 2023 14:17:21 GMT -8
The larger stadium business model is out the window. It's smaller stadiums, with more premium seating. If we sell out they will likely just increase ticket prices. It will take a lot for them to consider a stadium expansion. Especially since the expansion would likely be lower revenue reserved seating and not "premium" seating. The construction costs versus the revenue increase from normal additional seating just doesn't pencil out without the luxury seats. That is especially true with adding a second deck in the end zone. I'm not talking large, I'm not talking omitting luxury seats. I'm talking mostly sticking with the 42k they already had, in this configuration with 4k additional seats. I think the school has screwed itself out of 4000 fan seats that maybe would have been filled the last half of THIS upcoming season, or at least future seasons assuming the team does well. I can't really see the wings EVER being built now. What may have been 10 million (I'm just spitballing with thes numbers) to add on to this build will probably cost 30-50 million to do on their own if the AD is thinking they blew ticket projections going forward. Adding 4k of additional seating after this buildout just doesn't make sense. They essentially have committed to watching live Beaver football here being a rich man's passtime. Some families and lower income earners will manage season tickets, but the AD is basically eliminating the "cast a wide net" theory as far as acquiring future fans goes. We'll see whether it's sustainable or flames out over time as set prices creep up. This is the truth. We will see how full the new side is this year. I still think the "regular" season tickets on that side are priced too high. $1K/seat to sit in the second deck on the goal line seems high to me.
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Post by sportsfan85 on Apr 26, 2023 14:22:22 GMT -8
Why would you build another deck on the south end zone and have no way to see the Big screen. Would anyone buy a ticket and sit there? The North end zone and Valley Football Center is the best choice for expansion #3.
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Post by elwood on Apr 26, 2023 14:23:53 GMT -8
The larger stadium business model is out the window. It's smaller stadiums, with more premium seating. If we sell out they will likely just increase ticket prices. It will take a lot for them to consider a stadium expansion. Especially since the expansion would likely be lower revenue reserved seating and not "premium" seating. The construction costs versus the revenue increase from normal additional seating just doesn't pencil out without the luxury seats. That is especially true with adding a second deck in the end zone. I'm not talking large, I'm not talking omitting luxury seats. I'm talking mostly sticking with the 42k they already had, in this configuration with 4k additional seats. I think the school has screwed itself out of 4000 fan seats that maybe would have been filled the last half of THIS upcoming season, or at least future seasons assuming the team does well. I can't really see the wings EVER being built now. What may have been 10 million (I'm just spitballing with thes numbers) to add on to this build will probably cost 30-50 million to do on their own if the AD is thinking they blew ticket projections going forward. Adding 4k of additional seating after this buildout just doesn't make sense. They essentially have committed to watching live Beaver football here being a rich man's passtime. Some families and lower income earners will manage season tickets, but the AD is basically eliminating the "cast a wide net" theory as far as acquiring future fans goes. We'll see whether it's sustainable or flames out over time as set prices creep up. I agree with you. Most of us that favor a “larger” Stadium are not talking about 55k -60k but a modest 40k-45k. It doesn’t even have to be right now but it seems that any expansion has be boxed out due to the placement of the Health Center. I have read that the wings to the upper deck of the West Side can be added in the future. However, that would probably only amount to 1,000-1,500 seats. Right now, they can use that area as a party deck and make money from vendor sales. I’ve looked pretty closely at the placement of the Health Clinic and if you follow the lines of the upper deck on the East side, it definitely looks like you could not add the upper deck on that end zone. Not to mention you would have to move the Video board over the Valley Football center. So, they could completely redo the Valley Football Center but they just updated that a few years ago. The central core of the building is a mess. They just “put lipstick on a pig” by surrounding it with the new building facade and Party Deck over the new locker room.
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Post by ironbeaver on Apr 26, 2023 15:12:44 GMT -8
Anyone know what they’re doing to the bowl seats? Looks like they’re wrapping them?
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Apr 26, 2023 15:14:45 GMT -8
Why would you build another deck on the south end zone and have no way to see the Big screen. Would anyone buy a ticket and sit there? The North end zone and Valley Football Center is the best choice for expansion #3. In a few years teams/universities will be trying to find ways of taking advantage of VR and AI. 3D headsets, licensing, hosting game watching? Who knows? Considering one of the wealthiest and most active people/entrepreneurs in that field is an OSU grad, hopefully OSU can get in early if that comes to pass. At that point seats may not matter. Add in an element of NIL and a fan could potentially pay a few bucks to virtually sit inside their favorite player's helmet and enjoy the field action ride live if they wanted.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Apr 26, 2023 15:19:56 GMT -8
What "rich" person wanted it located there? Money has nothing to do with it. It's the perfect place. No green space removed, no neighbors pissed off by construction/operation, plenty of adjacent parking, no need to add additional parking, and easy access from the majority of the dorms. And it's a place to show off on the tours for prospective students that will start in the west side welcome center. Parents of prospective students like amenities like the Health center so they know their kids will be taken care of it the need arises. Show off to parents the kids are taken care of? Umm ok. So going to OSU this year or before they aren't or weren't taken care of? This building could have gone anywhere on campus or another spot near the stadium. But there of all places, where they put the footings for an upper deck. Brilliant because if a kid falls ill over at the ALS building good thing that health center is over at Reser. Where else on campus would they put it with no green space removed, no neighbors pissed off by construction/operation, plenty of adjacent parking, no need to add additional parking, and easy access from the majority of the dorms? All the while, removing little or no parking from the existing Reser lot? They were never going to double-deck that corner. You can't see the video screen. Students were taken care of before the SHS. Now they will be taken care of better. Students had recreation opportunities before Dixon was built. Now they have more. Business students had classrooms before Austin Hall was built. Now they have better facilities. Ag students had classrooms before Strand was rebuilt. Now they have better facilities. Engineering students had classrooms before Kelley, Johnson and the proposed Huang buildings were built. Now they have better facilities. It's called progress. That might have been the dumbest argument in the history of arguments.
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Post by elwood on Apr 26, 2023 15:52:03 GMT -8
Where else on campus would they put it with no green space removed, no neighbors pissed off by construction/operation, plenty of adjacent parking, no need to add additional parking, and easy access from the majority of the dorms? All the while, removing little or no parking from the existing Reser lot? They were never going to double-deck that corner. You can't see the video screen. Students were taken care of before the SHS. Now they will be taken care of better. Students had recreation opportunities before Dixon was built. Now they have more. Business students had classrooms before Austin Hall was built. Now they have better facilities. Ag students had classrooms before Strand was rebuilt. Now they have better facilities. Engineering students had classrooms before Kelley, Johnson and the proposed Huang buildings were built. Now they have better facilities. It's called progress. That might have been the dumbest argument in the history of arguments. 'Dorm Food' seems a lot better now too! Who can forget (as hard as we try) Icelandic Cod and Trailmaster steaks from the early 80's? My favorite thing was Friday was always fish night. Fish, shirimp and clams. Amazingly, Saturday they always had “Seafood Chowder”. Not clam chowder but seafood chowder. I wonder where they got that seafood?
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Post by Werebeaver on Apr 26, 2023 16:11:10 GMT -8
'Dorm Food' seems a lot better now too! Who can forget (as hard as we try) Icelandic Cod and Trailmaster steaks from the early 80's? My favorite thing was Friday was always fish night. Fish, shirimp and clams. Amazingly, Saturday they always had “Seafood Chowder”. Not clam chowder but seafood chowder. I wonder where they got that seafood? I remember the National Lampoon once printed a Sunday newspaper parody. Like some small towns they’d print the upcoming week’s public school lunch menu. Amongst a list of unpalatable menu items the one I remember most was: Friday- Food Chowder.
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Post by ag87 on Apr 26, 2023 16:29:18 GMT -8
My thoughts on this discussion. I remember maverick burgers. To this day I assume those were made from the pieces of horse that were not good enough for Alpo. On the stadium there is something significant about 40k. Less than that and it screams middle Tennessee state. What did the video board cost? I'm guessing it's fairly insignificant to other stadium infrastructure things. You could still wrap the upper decks from new southwestern corner to the new medical building. The video board could be placed above that building and a similar one placed in the northwestern corner. My mom had a student job in Plagemen in 1953.
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Post by sparty on May 1, 2023 9:46:41 GMT -8
'Dorm Food' seems a lot better now too! Who can forget (as hard as we try) Icelandic Cod and Trailmaster steaks from the early 80's? My favorite thing was Friday was always fish night. Fish, shirimp and clams. Amazingly, Saturday they always had “Seafood Chowder”. Not clam chowder but seafood chowder. I wonder where they got that seafood? Many freshmen girls like the “See food” diet and came home during winter break with the freshmen fifteen
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