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Post by grad1973 on Dec 13, 2021 11:04:56 GMT -8
What does it really mean by loosen up the reins in how they play? Is he playing it too vanilla in the sets and so on?
Let me ask you this. Does Scott run a set system regardless of what he has available or does he adjust the system to what he has available?
Villanova was #117 in the Massey ratings, not that is an accurate measure.
Someone mentioned about a seasoned point guard. This is exactly why you should go to the portal last year but does Scott even like the portal?
If you recruit a fast paced point guard like slocum you don't have her walk the ball up the court. Just an example of a player that was hampered by Scott's hold on every play. Primary reason we lost was backcourt. But Telia hardly played and Tea who is a senior ran the point all second half? I think Telia is best at the 2 position. Tea does fine with pressure and should be point guard this year. This team awaits a bonafide point guard.
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Post by scottybooks on Dec 13, 2021 11:06:50 GMT -8
AJ and Greta both have great first steps, among the best we've seen in Rueck's era. They are not slow. They are both sweet, skilled shooters, decent defenders, able passers. They will blossom. Talia will come out of her I-hope-not-Goforth funk at point guard.
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Post by beaverstever on Dec 13, 2021 11:25:37 GMT -8
Williams and Wilson are extremely quick and the twins would be the quickest players on our team. Stanford was much quicker than us and yes also long I don't recall Williams or Wilson being able to keep in front of Arizona or South Carolina's guards either. They were however able to confidently go over the top of their defense. I don't know how quick our young guards actually are yet. They are not playing with confidence, and you always slow when playing on your heels. I also see it as relative to the size tradeoff; for instance, how may 6'6" players are quicker than Kennedy? Or even Jelena for that matter? None of that matters though if we don't figure out how to utilize our size, but that's a learning curve, not a roster change. What concerns me much more longer-term is when opposing bigs are much quicker at the same size, which we saw with USC's Boston last year, but that was also without having Kennedy available. To be clear, the lack of elite guard speed has been on my wish list for a long time as well, and just doesn't seem a priority for SR. He's been able to win historically without it, so I don't expect that to change.
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Post by beaversrock on Dec 13, 2021 11:31:10 GMT -8
Lol Wilson was Co Pac 12 defensive player of the year. She did fine staying in front of players
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Post by beaverstever on Dec 13, 2021 12:39:22 GMT -8
Lol Wilson was Co Pac 12 defensive player of the year. She did fine staying in front of players I went and checked to see if my memory was holding up. Indeed the majority of the highlights from Stanford-SC game is of Williams and Wilson getting torched by SC's quicker guards. Stanford went zone most of the 2nd half or there'd likely be more.
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Post by beaveragain on Dec 13, 2021 12:57:29 GMT -8
Villanova has been without their best player, Maddy. In the two games Maddy has been back she is averaging over 30 points a game. This is not the same team as it was before. Don't know how good they will end up, but it is a very different team from how it has been. If the Beav's guards can hit some shots it will be a very good team indeed. 1/11 from the three is not going to be the norm for this group. And on all of this quickness worship, Paige and Clark are arguably the best two PG's in college ball currently. Which one would you claim is "quick"? Adams is plenty quick, but her game is best when she slows it down and plays under control. Clark & Bueckers are both far "quicker" than TvO, and, have much better handles (dribbling skills). Have you watched an Iowa or UCONN games lately? Both Clark and Bueckers run the floor like gazelles. Tea Adams did very well when she came into the game. I'm afraid we would have lost by 10+ had Tea Adams remained on the bench. Yes, I've watched both play lately, and no they are not quick. Ari is quick, Tea is quick, C & B are purposeful and go for it when they decide to move. Find me a single instance where either of their coaches talk about their speed. It's always about their high BBIQ, never about their physical abilities. Both of them are top rebounders on their teams, you think that's because they are really tall or strong? It's because they know where the ball is going to go and they get there. Brains over physical abilities every time, and if you don't understand that then you don't understand basketball. They have "much better handles" than TvO? Excuse me? How often have you seen anyone steal the ball from her? Does it ever happen? Of course it does, and all of the greatest PG's who have ever lived have had the ball stolen on occasion. TvO needs to recognize the double team when it's coming so she can pass to the open person, but they never successfully get the ball from her. It just burns time so the Beav's have to rush the offense more than they'd like. Yes, in one game Tea was good to have come in off the bench as TvO was having a terrible game. But really, you want the gal shooting less than 30% from the 2 and 14% from the 3 to be a starting guard? Tea has some fantastic moves and then the ball doesn't go in the basket. This fixation over speed instead of results would not benefit the team.
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Post by lotrader on Dec 13, 2021 13:35:45 GMT -8
There is no comparison between TvO's speed, quickness, and handles vs Clark and Bueckers. Maybe you have your playback at half speed? As I said multiple times now, the coaches need to make quicker in-game personnel changes. I'm thrilled we have TvO on OSU's team, she is a star in the making. In the Villanova game TvO did not handle the double teams, trapping of Villanova's guards (nor did Greta). Once Tea came in, Villanova could no longer trap the ball handler, and, Tea even was able to go full court a few times all the way to the rim. Additionally, in the half court, Tea was able to penetrate, which TvO and Greta struggled. I love our freshman guards, and anxious for them to continue to progress. But OSU also needs some quickness and ball handling at times depending on the opposition's defense. For now, I'm glad we have Tea when OSU encounters this trapping defense. Maybe TvO and/or Greta eventually get there like Aleah Goodman did after her freshman season. Again, I am happy with our players, and I believe coaches will play Tea more as we progress through the season--Tea has earned more PT.
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Post by beavsteve on Dec 13, 2021 14:03:32 GMT -8
There is no comparison between TvO's speed, quickness, and handles vs Clark and Bueckers. Maybe you have your playback at half speed? As I said multiple times now, the coaches need to make quicker in-game personnel changes. I'm thrilled we have TvO on OSU's team, she is a star in the making. In the Villanova game TvO did not handle the double teams, trapping of Villanova's guards (nor did Greta). Once Tea came in, Villanova could no longer trap the ball handler, and, Tea even was able to go full court a few times all the way to the rim. Additionally, in the half court, Tea was able to penetrate, which TvO and Greta struggled. I love our freshman guards, and anxious for them to continue to progress. But OSU also needs some quickness and ball handling at times depending on the opposition's defense. For now, I'm glad we have Tea when OSU encounters this trapping defense. Maybe TvO and/or Greta eventually get there like Aleah Goodman did after her freshman season. Again, I am happy with our players, and I believe coaches will play Tea more as we progress through the season--Tea has earned more PT. Tea has proven herself capable, but not consistent. Her game against Pacific was a real dud. She came out low energy and threw away two passes that were some of the worst I’ve ever seen. Scott pulled her and she had very low minutes in that game. But yes, she should get more playing time… and maybe that will solve the problem. I wonder if maybe AJ should be given a chance. She is tall and fast, but is her quickness and ball handling adequate? It’s not clear to me that it’s out of the question. Physically, she’s closer to Clark and Bueckers.
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Post by sparty on Dec 13, 2021 15:53:32 GMT -8
And it is such an easy thing to do. So that's where you put the bar. Have you ever been in the top 4 in the country in anything? Does it matter that Rueck does a great job recruiting and developing phenomenal young women that think of others and not just themselves. And he coaches up these players so that a mid 60 ranked player can be drafted in the wnba, he actually has a decent record of his players continuing play after college. Players that I'd want my daughter or son to look up to. In that time we did have an elite 8 and at least one sweet sixteen, does that count for anything? Why do we have a football team? Do you think they will ever make the top 4 at the end of the season? I'd bet that we'd experience the next ice age before that happens. Or how about the men's basketball team? Volleyball, wrestling, track and field, cross country, softball? The Men's BB team was one game away from the final 4 last year. They suck this year and people already want Tinkle fired. But, I guess Rueck just gets a pass because his players are "good people" His trajectory is not going in the right direction. I've said that could change in the next couple of years with the recruits coming in, but the league is a lot tougher than it was 4-5 years ago. Maybe your point can be made. In the next couple of years it will have it all play out but yes, like you I share in your concern. It is just brutal in the recruiting the last few years in the conference and past success and the past conference championships are getting further in the rear view mirror.
Btw, Judge I need to apologize to you on some other post where i used your name.
Your Judge Smails not Judge Smalls. I know, "That is what she said."
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Post by 2ndGenBeaver on Dec 13, 2021 16:55:12 GMT -8
I think SR will be fine, and his system will persist, and length is usually an advantage..... And we will - in most years - get to and advance in the NCAA tourney. I love SR and enjoy watching his teams grow and advance.
All of that said - SR has tried to recruit lightning quick ball handlers (in fact, we were pretty close on the young lady that ended up at Stanford a few years past.....) I wonder if those kind of ball handlers are more attracted to systems where they get to free-lance more? (SR seems to be increasing his regimented approach where he guides a lot of the game strategy on both ends of the floor) That said, this year's team seems to be behind on the "crisp play" curve - there are a bunch of cool, recognizable plays: "elevator" play for Kat, double post screen for dribble drive, BLOBs, etc, most of which I have not seen this year (or maybe they are just not successfully run this year yet). It also seems that we have been more easily disrupted this year (i.e. Villanova able to completely disrupt offense flowing through TvO). But its easy to be disrupted when you are subpar in most phases of the game, and you are usually subpar when you are being disrupted, so I am also left with the chicken/egg conundrum of root cause. Might have been a good year to get in an Italy trip (probably hasn't been 4 years, plus pandemic issues, I know) because the transfers (on paper) were just what the doctor ordered, but IRL they have been a bit less so.......Tea was very needed against 'Nova, but had she completed those drives to the hoop she might have altered the outcome of the game. Also, is it just me, or did we upgrade the pre-season schedule? Most years I recall a seemingly endless parade of overmatched opponents for lower division directional schools, but less so this year (to the point in years where we started slow in conference schedule I would wonder if feasting on cupcakes was the cause). Anyway, a lot to think about. Go Beavers!
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Post by rmancarl on Dec 13, 2021 20:27:48 GMT -8
Notes to self: If you have one turnover in 21 minutes against pressure and being double teamed, you are too slow to be a point guard for the Beavs.
Second note to self: If you pass the ball to your two freshman guard mates, and they shoot 2-12, it's most likely because you aren't good enough, or quick enough to be a point guard for the Beavs.
Third note to self: If you are one of the best Head Coaches in the country, and certainly in the Pac-12 over the past 10 years, you have lost your ability to keep up with your peers if you get off to a rocky start.
4th note to self: make sure you keep your notes to self to yourself. Don't let anyone leak your notes.
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Post by beaveragain on Dec 13, 2021 22:49:14 GMT -8
There is no comparison between TvO's speed, quickness, and handles vs Clark and Bueckers. Maybe you have your playback at half speed? As I said multiple times now, the coaches need to make quicker in-game personnel changes. I'm thrilled we have TvO on OSU's team, she is a star in the making. In the Villanova game TvO did not handle the double teams, trapping of Villanova's guards (nor did Greta). Once Tea came in, Villanova could no longer trap the ball handler, and, Tea even was able to go full court a few times all the way to the rim. Additionally, in the half court, Tea was able to penetrate, which TvO and Greta struggled. I love our freshman guards, and anxious for them to continue to progress. But OSU also needs some quickness and ball handling at times depending on the opposition's defense. For now, I'm glad we have Tea when OSU encounters this trapping defense. Maybe TvO and/or Greta eventually get there like Aleah Goodman did after her freshman season. Again, I am happy with our players, and I believe coaches will play Tea more as we progress through the season--Tea has earned more PT. Speed- Sorry, but you have no idea what their respective speeds are. There is a reason someone invented stopwatches. Clark and Bueckers are on high tempo teams so they push the ball up the court faster, and that's all you know. All I can tell is that there are two guards on both of their teams who are faster than they are. Not a good indication of tremendous speed. Quickness- Yes, they are quicker, and TvO has more muscularity to her game. Different playing styles. Handles- The only way you'd know is if someone got their pockets picked more. None of these gals lose the ball much so it's all moot. Driving- Yes, Tea is great at driving, and then she blows the layup because she's going too fast to keep control of the ball. Which is the same as a turnover. Tea- Tea has some great moves, but you seem determined to ignore one fact. She is shooting 25% from the two and 14% from the three. The point isn't who can sprint the fastest, it's who can get the ball in the basket the most. You want to see Tea starting, I find the prospect horrifying until she can up her shooting %'s and get her assist #'s above one a game.
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Post by fridaynightlights on Dec 13, 2021 23:31:34 GMT -8
Rurek has always preferred a methodical conservative approach to both offense and defense. The modern game has gone up-tempo, less sets, spread the floor. I remember back in the 70s and 80s seeing teams hold up cards to call out the set. That is unheard of now, I don't see many teams that look over to the sideline for the play anymore, unless it is late in the game or a final shot situation. I would have thought playing this style would hurt recruiting, but it doesn't seem to have. This is what Scott knows and what he is comfortable with, I don't see him changing his style this far into his career, particularly when it has been so successful.
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Post by lotrader on Dec 14, 2021 6:47:05 GMT -8
There is no comparison between TvO's speed, quickness, and handles vs Clark and Bueckers. Maybe you have your playback at half speed? As I said multiple times now, the coaches need to make quicker in-game personnel changes. I'm thrilled we have TvO on OSU's team, she is a star in the making. In the Villanova game TvO did not handle the double teams, trapping of Villanova's guards (nor did Greta). Once Tea came in, Villanova could no longer trap the ball handler, and, Tea even was able to go full court a few times all the way to the rim. Additionally, in the half court, Tea was able to penetrate, which TvO and Greta struggled. I love our freshman guards, and anxious for them to continue to progress. But OSU also needs some quickness and ball handling at times depending on the opposition's defense. For now, I'm glad we have Tea when OSU encounters this trapping defense. Maybe TvO and/or Greta eventually get there like Aleah Goodman did after her freshman season. Again, I am happy with our players, and I believe coaches will play Tea more as we progress through the season--Tea has earned more PT. Speed- Sorry, but you have no idea what their respective speeds are. There is a reason someone invented stopwatches. Clark and Bueckers are on high tempo teams so they push the ball up the court faster, and that's all you know. All I can tell is that there are two guards on both of their teams who are faster than they are. Not a good indication of tremendous speed. Quickness- Yes, they are quicker, and TvO has more muscularity to her game. Different playing styles. Handles- The only way you'd know is if someone got their pockets picked more. None of these gals lose the ball much so it's all moot. Driving- Yes, Tea is great at driving, and then she blows the layup because she's going too fast to keep control of the ball. Which is the same as a turnover. Tea- Tea has some great moves, but you seem determined to ignore one fact. She is shooting 25% from the two and 14% from the three. The point isn't who can sprint the fastest, it's who can get the ball in the basket the most. You want to see Tea starting, I find the prospect horrifying until she can up her shooting %'s and get her assist #'s above one a game. I never said even once that Tea should be starting? Go back and reread. I said coaches need to be quicker on making in-game personnel changes. Tea was in fact the right in-game personnel change, it just came a bit too late.
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Post by sparty on Dec 14, 2021 6:47:46 GMT -8
Rurek has always preferred a methodical conservative approach to both offense and defense. The modern game has gone up-tempo, less sets, spread the floor. I remember back in the 70s and 80s seeing teams hold up cards to call out the set. That is unheard of now, I don't see many teams that look over to the sideline for the play anymore, unless it is late in the game or a final shot situation. I would have thought playing this style would hurt recruiting, but it doesn't seem to have. This is what Scott knows and what he is comfortable with, I don't see him changing his style this far into his career, particularly when it has been so successful. So are you saying he is going to run what he runs and not adapt to the players he has available?
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