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Post by sparty on Dec 12, 2021 13:56:40 GMT -8
If you recruit 5 star players sometimes you need to let the talent play. Looking to the sidelines at every position for a play or offensive set is not the way to create leadership. Scott needs to loosen the reins. Never did like that. I agree. What does it really mean by loosen up the reins in how they play? Is he playing it too vanilla in the sets and so on?
Let me ask you this. Does Scott run a set system regardless of what he has available or does he adjust the system to what he has available?
Villanova was #117 in the Massey ratings, not that is an accurate measure.
Someone mentioned about a seasoned point guard. This is exactly why you should go to the portal last year but does Scott even like the portal?
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Post by nwhoopfan on Dec 12, 2021 13:57:45 GMT -8
I think Rueck could afford to rethink some things on O and D. Force some stinking TOs. It's okay, it's not a sin. You might even get some easy scoring opportunities out of it.
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Post by jdogge on Dec 12, 2021 14:17:39 GMT -8
Missed the game. Talia -- zero points? Really?
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norm
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Post by norm on Dec 12, 2021 14:32:56 GMT -8
Having a fully freshman backcourt will result in games like this, regardless of how good they were in high school. It’s a different game even against average teams like Villanova. Beavs didn’t lose because of coaching or a bad call at the end. They lost because of inexperience in the backcourt, playing on the road. Is Villanova "average", see.s to me that might be a stretch. MAYBE we're losing because lack of talent! How long can we play the "we're losing because of inexperience", I'm betting that most teams have the same issues. We're heading towards a bottom tier program in the PAC and I don't think ex uses are going to help the gang that can't shoot straight!! Depressing to watch this happening to a great program. I'm not sure there's another PAC team I would favor us over right now, didn't see that coming. :-( I would say Villanova is an average D1 basketball team. It may be a stretch, but it's my opinion that they are average when you compare them to the full list of D1 programs. And I would again say the primary reason they lost today was due to an inexperienced backcourt. Some teams also have that issue, but I don't think most do. And this will be one of the reason's that they lose games (or play very close games) until they have more experience. It may take this full season or maybe even a couple of season. I hope not, but Rueck's system is complex and the Pac12 is really good. It will take time and they will lose games along the way. The team has a ton of talent and OSU is still a great program. I don't think this team is a bottom tier program (or heading towards it), but it will take time for Talia, Tea, Greta, and AJ to play at the necessary level to win on a consistent basis. NONE of them have played PG for Rueck's team before this season. It's clearly not easy. Give them some time and expect some bumps along the way. But the future is very bright. |
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Post by alwaysorange on Dec 12, 2021 14:39:13 GMT -8
Never did like that. I agree. What does it really mean by loosen up the reins in how they play? Is he playing it too vanilla in the sets and so on?
Let me ask you this. Does Scott run a set system regardless of what he has available or does he adjust the system to what he has available?
Villanova was #117 in the Massey ratings, not that is an accurate measure.
Someone mentioned about a seasoned point guard. This is exactly why you should go to the portal last year but does Scott even like the portal?
If you recruit a fast paced point guard like slocum you don't have her walk the ball up the court. Just an example of a player that was hampered by Scott's hold on every play. |
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Post by beaveragain on Dec 12, 2021 14:42:08 GMT -8
The team missed open shots outside and easy shots inside. There isn't a offense in the world that can make the ball go down. The players have to hit their shots, and right now none of the Frosh are hitting.
If Kamp and Von keep missing like this then it's not going to be a good season, but I don't think this will continue.
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Post by alwaysorange on Dec 12, 2021 14:46:54 GMT -8
The beavs supposedly have a deep bench. Use more full court pressure make the other team tired, make the opponent use their less deep bench. Turnovers often lead to easy points.
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Post by osu82 on Dec 12, 2021 15:10:43 GMT -8
I think Rueck could afford to rethink some things on O and D. Force some stinking TOs. It's okay, it's not a sin. You might even get some easy scoring opportunities out of it. 100% agree. Out of curiousity, I looked up "turnover margin" in NCAA stats. Through 7 games, OSU is #330 out 348 teams listed. And #346 out 348 teams in "turnovers forced". Turnovers lead to extra possessions, fast break opportunities, and potentially easy scores. They can also rattle the other team offensively. I'm not sure I get Rueck's philosophy here, but right now this team is at the bottom of all of D-1 basketball in this metric. Success is an uphill battle when you give the opponents so many extra chances every game, especially compounded by poor shooting. |
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Post by nwhoopfan on Dec 12, 2021 15:29:36 GMT -8
I think Rueck could afford to rethink some things on O and D. Force some stinking TOs. It's okay, it's not a sin. You might even get some easy scoring opportunities out of it. 100% agree. Out of curiousity, I looked up "turnover margin" in NCAA stats. Through 7 games, OSU is #330 out 348 teams listed. And #346 out 348 teams in "turnovers forced". Turnovers lead to extra possessions, fast break opportunities, and potentially easy scores. They can also rattle the other team offensively. I'm not sure I get Rueck's philosophy here, but right now this team is at the bottom of all of D-1 basketball in this metric. Success is an uphill battle when you give the opponents so many extra chances every game, especially compounded by poor shooting. I guess I get why the system was developed. During their best years, OSU held opponents to low FG shooting %, secured most of the D boards, and shot the ball well on offense, especially from behind the arc. They could afford to give away some extra possessions with that setup. But it doesn't seem to be working now. |
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Post by blindset on Dec 12, 2021 16:03:14 GMT -8
We know that the frosh can shoot well from 3 when "on". What they really need to develop is a solid midrange jumper, a la Weisner and Pivic, who were deadly when penetrating past perimeter defenses.
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Post by ricke71 on Dec 12, 2021 16:14:34 GMT -8
100% agree. Out of curiousity, I looked up "turnover margin" in NCAA stats. Through 7 games, OSU is #330 out 348 teams listed. And #346 out 348 teams in "turnovers forced". Turnovers lead to extra possessions, fast break opportunities, and potentially easy scores. They can also rattle the other team offensively. I'm not sure I get Rueck's philosophy here, but right now this team is at the bottom of all of D-1 basketball in this metric. Success is an uphill battle when you give the opponents so many extra chances every game, especially compounded by poor shooting. I guess I get why the system was developed. During their best years, OSU held opponents to low FG shooting %, secured most of the D boards, and shot the ball well on offense, especially from behind the arc. They could afford to give away some extra possessions with that setup. But it doesn't seem to be working now. Not sure what's in the water in Corvallis this season, but the Beavs are only .312 from 3 PT. I got curious to see what some of the key shooters (only the ones that have D-1 experience) are capable of from beyond the arc, on a full-season basis. Here are a few players, and their peak seasons from long range: Talia Von Oelhoffen .434 (2020-21...well, actually just 2021 - but that was 100% against PAC-12 and beyond) Ellie Mack .432 (2019-20 at Bucknell) Emily Codding .375 (2019-20 at St. Mary's) Tea Adams .366 (2020-21 at SDSU) Taya Corosdale .364 (2017-18) I realize that for a couple of these players, serious injuries may lie between their best seasons from "3" and the present. But they are all healthy now, and hopefully ready to shake off the shooting blues that has been displayed this season - though those 'blues' might be due to less than desirable ball movement, rather than shooting touch. |
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Post by avidbeaver on Dec 12, 2021 16:36:23 GMT -8
Well, the team is shooting .424 from the field, .312 from three, and have 129 turnovers(opponents 81), things tend to go the wrong direction with that stat line. Have stated before the issues with ball security. Nothing has changed. Obviously have to shoot better but really need to take care of the ball.
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Post by bmoc on Dec 12, 2021 16:55:38 GMT -8
This is not fun to watch, but it will get better. Our coaching staff and players will be able to push through this. As I recall, we did not exactly get off to a roaring start last year. It also brings to light how important Aleah Goodman and Mikayla Pivec were to our success in recent years.
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Dec 12, 2021 17:07:01 GMT -8
We have a young and/or inexperienced team. There will be growing pains. I choose to stand behind them and support them as much as I can, win or lose. I was one of the few that supported them through the wagner years when at times there were more fans in the stands from the opposing teams than beaver nation. I can remember a few games where there were 3 fans in green and yellow to every one in orange.
I never blamed the players then and won't start now. They play their hearts out. And as for the coaching staff, I would much rather have the problems of this one over the last head coach.
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Post by finleybandbeav on Dec 12, 2021 17:38:57 GMT -8
I'm not sure I see much of anything as far as posters blaming players. Mentioning the lack of experience in the backcourt is a very fair assessment -
I mean, just take one look at the stats. IMHO, more of Tea Adams' experience and speed would have meant a different outcome today, while still giving the freshmen plenty of PT. But then, that's just an opinion.
But really, factor our star starting center in the game today (instead of sidelined w/an injury) and this is a W for sure.
No matter how talented your team is, luck (and bad luck) factor into it as well.
Sure would have been nice for Ellie to hit that three at the end of the game back home for her. Regardless, her coming to and playing at OSU is a great story.
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