MLB Cleveland Guardians.

Hey, speaking of the "Civil War" what was the thinking on how the game is associated with or promotes racism? I thought the war's purpose was to free the slaves. So maybe some of you PC liberals can educate me on this. Seems to me the fair way to decide this subject is to have a vote.

“Education” of the uneducated is not the purpose of this board. 

I won't try to convince you that the name should be changed because if you're still harping on it, then I know that you won't have an open mind to receive the ideas.

Just remember that it was a decision made jointly between OSU and UofO. That's all that needed to happen.

A vote? By whom? Who are you that your opinion on the subject should matter? 

As a fan, call it whatever you like. No one cares about that.

Yes, the Cherokee had to straight-up move to the American equivalent of the Sahara Desert.

There were about 16,000 Cherokee in 1837 in Alabama, Georgia, North Carolina and Tennessee.  Approximately 1,500 chose to become citizens of the United States of America and were given title to Cherokee Land.  Approximately 14,500 chose not to become citizens of the United States of America.  Unfortunately for the rest of the Cherokee, gold was discovered in Northern Georgia just across the river in Cherokee Territory.  This led to the 1828 Georgia Gold Rush.  The Federal Government offered $5.5 million ($5 million per capita and $500,000 for the nation as a whole after they moved) and an equal amount of land in Oklahoma.  When the Cherokee refused, Congress ratified the Treaty without the Cherokee's consent by a single vote.  Of the 15,000 Cherokee, 2,198 chose to move to Oklahoma voluntarily.  They did so in eight groups with about 27 deaths.

Unlike the Choctaw and Chickasaw and a majority of the Muscogee (Creek), the majority of the Cherokee did not wish to move.  After the final approximately 12,302 Cherokee refused to move, the States of Alabama, Georgia, North Carolina, South Carolina and Tennessee threatened secession, unless they be allowed to forcibly remove the final 13,000 Cherokee themselves.  (At the time, the Nullification Crisis was isolated to South Carolina, and the Federal Government wished for it not to spread to the other four states.)  In the end, the Federal Government sent General Winfield Scott in 1838 to keep the peace between the Cherokee and the five states.  The remaining 12,302 Cherokee were sent west in 17 different caravans over a 10 month period.  Unlike the voluntary caravans, these caravans generally objected to moving by water, which meant that they lasted longer and probably caused more suffering and death.  About 2,473 of the 12,302 died en route to Oklahoma.

Larger numbers of deaths sometime crop up, but they do not take account the approximately 1,500 Cherokee that became citizens.

Georgia is, to this day, still digging up several tons of gold each year.  Last year alone, Georgia produced approximately $97.5 million in raw gold.

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The Irish "willingly" left Ireland in the 1840s and 1850s in much the same way that people "willingly" left the Titanic.  Die or get on a lifeboat.  And the Irish didn't even get lifeboats.  They got coffin ships.  Approximately 20% of the Irish who were were rich enough to cobble together enough money to get on-board coffin ships died before crossing the Atlantic.  

And the Irish willingly enlisted?  At first, both the Confederate and Union armies were 100% volunteer armies.  However, in April 1862, the confederacy passed the Conscription Act.  Only individuals who owned 20 or more slaves were exempt.  Recent immigrants, including the generally very poor Irish, who, by-and-large, did not own slaves, were thus more often subject to the Conscription Act.  In response, on July 17, 1862, the Union passed the Militia Act of 1862.  If a state could not meet its number of mandatory volunteers, it had to conscript sufficient numbers to meet the state's quota.  On March 3, 1863, that was replaced by the Enrollment Act, where everyone in the Union was subject to be drafted, unless he paid $300.00.  Once again, the generally very poor Irish could rarely pay the $300.00 to be exempted from the draft.  

In the end, approximately 35,000 Irish-born died in the American Civil War.  And an untold number of Americans of Irish decent died in addition to those 35,000.

The circumstances are not exactly the same, but arguably comparable for the conscripted Irish.  And at least 14 times more Irish died in the American Civil War than Cherokee died on the Trail of Tears.  

Ah  Werebeaver!  Spoken like a true supercilious pompous buffoon. 

Rationalizing the Trail of Tears. And I supposed the Native Americans also had the same rights as those "conscripted" Irish after the Civil War too?

You seriously think that photo is an accurate depiction of Oklahoma? This is more accurate.