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Post by chinmusic on May 4, 2021 18:18:26 GMT -8
Some good points posted in this thread. Some well reasoned analysis.
My two-bits would be:
1. Our roster is fairly void of veteran players with the talent to play professional baseball.The youngsters are better equiped.
2. These kids are not Canham's guys. Some are ill-suited to play his brand of baseball.
3. This staff has been sharp in their evaluation of prospective players. Our recruiting classes are on the ascendency.
4. The biggest issue with this team has been consistency - an uneven performance to date.
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Post by beaver56 on May 5, 2021 4:08:15 GMT -8
Point 2 brings up my earlier question on another thread. Will the fact that the current guys are "not Canham's guys" and the fact that they all know starting next fall all incoming guys are thus coaching staffs guys compounded with the new one time transfer rule make it so some of these current players decide to transfer to another school after this season?
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Post by irimi on May 5, 2021 7:07:17 GMT -8
Point 2 brings up my earlier question on another thread. Will the fact that the current guys are "not Canham's guys" and the fact that they all know starting next fall all incoming guys are thus coaching staffs guys compounded with the new one time transfer rule make it so some of these current players decide to transfer to another school after this season? Seeing the transfer rule in this light is huge. I guess that Kyler would leave since he’s been inconsistent at the plate and that’s a shame. Ober maybe? Then you’ve got guys like Cesar Valero Sanchez who had some playing time, but haven’t been on the field in a long time. And you’ve got guys who haven’t played much at all. I’m curious about what makes a guy a Mitch guy and what made a guy right for Pat. It’s strange to me to think that kids that Pat recruited are leftovers. |
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Post by badwack on May 5, 2021 7:20:05 GMT -8
Just curious what people think about Abel returning next years. His current problems has likely hurt his Draft Position if any. I would think it would be a hard call for Abel if he is happy here.
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Post by chinmusic on May 5, 2021 7:27:26 GMT -8
With the NCAA's one time transfer rule, transfers in and out will become a bigger part of recruiting and roster movement. A new dimension for coaches to navigate. I think it will have a noticable impact on college baseball.
The foundation of Oregon State baseball has been player development. MC may not be overly inclined to seek veteran players in the transfer portal, preferring instead to develop 3 and 4 year players out of high school. The Beavers have however, shown acontinued willingness to tap the JC's to strengthen a position or the bullpen.
Kids want to play and if they don't see the opportunity for PT, they might move on in search of that opportunity. I think Coach has been good about playing his kids and insuring everyone feels like a contributor.
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Post by beavermd on May 5, 2021 7:28:36 GMT -8
Just curious what people think about Abel returning next years. His current problems has likely hurt his Draft Position if any. I would think it would be a hard call for Abel if he is happy here. Abel is in his fourth year here. He won’t be back. His consistency will definitely prevent him from being a first or second round pick, but his stuff is still too good to keep him from falling past the 5th round. It’ll be an easy decision for him to go pro. |
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Post by irimi on May 5, 2021 8:23:23 GMT -8
Just curious what people think about Abel returning next years. His current problems has likely hurt his Draft Position if any. I would think it would be a hard call for Abel if he is happy here. Abel is in his fourth year here. He won’t be back. His consistency will definitely prevent him from being a first or second round pick, but his stuff is still too good to keep him from falling past the 5th round. It’ll be an easy decision for him to go pro. All he needs is a pitching coach who thinks he can get him back to his old self. Then he’s a multi-game winner at a bargain-ish price. |
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Post by beaver56 on May 5, 2021 9:06:43 GMT -8
Yeah I highly doubt we see Abel back. But him and a couple other arms we have such as Pfennigs and Frisch who are also draft eligible possibly being back might make other arms behind them in the pecking order want to leave for more innings and chance to be starter. July 1 is the deadline to put in for transfer with the new rule which is before the draft happens so leaves a lot of uncertainty. Some might not be willing to roll the dice that they're gone to open up innings and just decide to go elsewhere
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Post by ricke71 on May 5, 2021 10:40:56 GMT -8
Yeah I highly doubt we see Abel back. But him and a couple other arms we have such as Pfennigs and Frisch who are also draft eligible possibly being back might make other arms behind them in the pecking order want to leave for more innings and chance to be starter. July 1 is the deadline to put in for transfer with the new rule which is before the draft happens so leaves a lot of uncertainty. Some might not be willing to roll the dice that they're gone to open up innings and just decide to go elsewhere Abel has little to gain at the college level...his best shot is to get it together in the Minors in 2021, 2022 or 2023. I get why Pfennigs is draft eligible, but Frisch finished HS in June 2019 and made his college debut less than 15 months ago. From what I can see, Frisch turns 21 on 7/14/21. Does that factor in? Thanks. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on May 5, 2021 13:45:51 GMT -8
Just curious what people think about Abel returning next years. His current problems has likely hurt his Draft Position if any. I would think it would be a hard call for Abel if he is happy here. Abel is in his fourth year here. He won’t be back. His consistency will definitely prevent him from being a first or second round pick, but his stuff is still too good to keep him from falling past the 5th round. It’ll be an easy decision for him to go pro. I still think that he is a borderline second round pick. Maybe third. If he is drafted in the first five rounds, I agree with you that Abel will probably not return. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on May 5, 2021 15:10:10 GMT -8
Yeah I highly doubt we see Abel back. But him and a couple other arms we have such as Pfennigs and Frisch who are also draft eligible possibly being back might make other arms behind them in the pecking order want to leave for more innings and chance to be starter. July 1 is the deadline to put in for transfer with the new rule which is before the draft happens so leaves a lot of uncertainty. Some might not be willing to roll the dice that they're gone to open up innings and just decide to go elsewhere Abel has little to gain at the college level...his best shot is to get it together in the Minors in 2021, 2022 or 2023. I get why Pfennigs is draft eligible, but Frisch finished HS in June 2019 and made his college debut less than 15 months ago. From what I can see, Frisch turns 21 on 7/14/21. Does that factor in? Thanks. Yes, if you turn 21 within 45 days of the draft you are eligible. |
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Post by beavermd on May 5, 2021 16:39:52 GMT -8
Abel is in his fourth year here. He won’t be back. His consistency will definitely prevent him from being a first or second round pick, but his stuff is still too good to keep him from falling past the 5th round. It’ll be an easy decision for him to go pro. I still think that he is a borderline second round pick. Maybe third. If he is drafted in the first five rounds, I agree with you that Abel will probably not return. Yea, second round is definitely an option. |
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