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Post by wbosh15 on Mar 26, 2021 7:23:23 GMT -8
Number 1 and most important is does Aleah come back. That would change the team from a top 16 team to a top 10 or better team. I'd love to see her play another year with the amount of confidence and poise she's shown over the last 6 weeks.
Number 2 is when is Kennedy cleared for full contact again? The sooner that happens, the most time she will have to shake off the rust before the season starts.
The only other item is the arrival of Greta, but that will happen in late June/early July so not much unknown there. This is the start of a very fun 3+ year run.
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Post by rmancarl on Mar 26, 2021 21:14:40 GMT -8
I really want to see a discussion on next season, but this is one off season we will have to watch closely. Who sticks around that extra year they were given? Who transfers out and who transfers in around the Pac-12?
In my early glance at the way to early rankings at the Pac-12 and NCAA, if Aleah returns I put the Beavers in the top 3 in the Pac12, and top 12 nationally. If Aleah doesn't return, they will probably still be top 5 in the Pac12, but doubful they would have any chance to challenge for first. Still should be a top 20 team.
I would expect Kennedy to be 100% before the season, but how rusty will she be? We've witnessed most players seem to take a while to get back to playing as well as they did before the injury. I'm not sure Taya has made it all the way back yet. Her shot did improve this season, but her rebounding was not as strong as her Sophomore season.
The outlook for the next few years is very good for the Beavs. Let's hope nothing derails this train.
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Post by beaverwbb fan on Mar 27, 2021 6:09:22 GMT -8
If we've learned anything from these major injuries, the question is not when will they be back, it's will they return to form when they are back.
Taya has been a step slower and looked a little hesitant. Her freshman year she showed a lot of promise as a stretch four, then her sophomore year she proved she could bang inside. She was up to the challenge of being a good inside player for OSU that year on a team that lacked a Gulich/Hamblin-type player. Her efficiency went down, but she was still doing a lot of good things. Her and Mack were not able to consistently provide scoring threats and we needed at least one to step up.
Kat was also far from the same player in her year back, but she also rushed hers a little bit compared to Kennedy. I hope Kennedy taking her time will mean a full recovery and strong return. If she can be efficient offensively that'll be huge.
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Post by wbosh15 on Mar 27, 2021 9:07:08 GMT -8
A couple of things in regards to Taya’s injury. In my opinion a torn hamstring requiring surgery is a much more serious injury than a torn ACL. Even so, I didn’t find Taya’s play this year that much different than her prior seasons. She’s a solid defender, that is effective offensively if she knocks down 3s. She’s never really done much outside of that offensively, and her rebounding uptick was when she was the tallest player on the floor for the Beavs when we played Maddie Washington at center.
As for KB, a point to remember is her first game for the Beavs will be about 21 months post injury. For Kat it was 11 months post injury. That is a huge amount time to continue to strengthen the leg and feel comfortable on the floor.
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Post by beavdowg on Mar 27, 2021 10:15:39 GMT -8
I don’t remember exactly but I feel like KB wasn’t a significant scorer when she was playing. I could be remembering poorly though. But can we really expect her to add to the scoring if she wasn’t even that before? Or am I way off base here?
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Post by Werebeaver on Mar 27, 2021 10:26:23 GMT -8
I don’t remember exactly but I feel like KB wasn’t a significant scorer when she was playing. I could be remembering poorly though. But can we really expect her to add to the scoring if she wasn’t even that before? Or am I way off base here? Can we expect talented Freshmen to improve in their Sophomore season? YES.
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Post by wbosh15 on Mar 27, 2021 10:28:40 GMT -8
I don’t remember exactly but I feel like KB wasn’t a significant scorer when she was playing. I could be remembering poorly though. But can we really expect her to add to the scoring if she wasn’t even that before? Or am I way off base here? KB didn’t shoot well from 3 her freshman year but Scott has said he thinks she’ll shoot 40%+ from 3 when she’s comfortable. Also I think she’s a bit better inside than Taya is. However most importantly, she’s an elite defensive player. Great defensive instincts, good feet and she’s 6’6
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Post by 411500 on Mar 27, 2021 10:38:34 GMT -8
wbosh15 wrote: "Even so, I didn’t find Taya’s play this year that much different than her prior seasons. She’s a solid defender, that is effective offensively if she knocks down 3s. She’s never really done much outside of that offensively, and her rebounding uptick was when she was the tallest player on the floor for the Beavs when we played Maddie Washington at center. "
Have to say that I agree with you on this. Taya is a solid player, executes her role very well. She passes and outlets very well. But, except for her squared-up 3s, she has very few offensive skills. She has never learned to dribble penetrate to the basket; she virtually never posts up a smaller player. When she nails her 3s she is a great help to the Beaver offence, but without the 3, her point production is very, very low....
Taya is, in some ways, a coaches dilemma. She does so many things right you don't want to take her out, but she produces so few points you want to insert someone with point-power. In a nut shell, Taya's game is best when someone else scores. When someone else doesn't score the team collectively suffers because Taya is not adding to the point production.
I like Taya's game. She distributes, she rebounds when she has to and she makes few turnovers. She works hard and is a team-first player. Her limitation is that she cannot produce points. If you have a team that is scoring challenged she becomes something of a problem. If you have a team that scores well, she's a premiere addition.
Personally, I don't know what Coach is going to do with her next year. GO BEAVS!!
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Mar 27, 2021 10:45:21 GMT -8
Generally a torn hamstring is a much worse injury. It definitely takes a long time to recover and some people never are able to return to pre injury activity. An acl tear is nothing to scoff at but most people are able to fully recover. The issue with an acl in sports is that many people try to come back to soon.
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Post by beaveragain on Mar 27, 2021 12:56:02 GMT -8
If you compare KB's freshman numbers and Taya's sophomore numbers they are amazingly similar. The two differences are that Taya was the better passer and KB the better defender.
And on Taya's having literally twice as many rebounds her Soph. year vs her Junior year because she's two inches taller than Maddie? Have you heard of this person we call Mik? Soph. Taya went after every rebound she could, Junior Taya stuck her hands in the air and hoped the ball would fall into them. And again, if it's all about height then why did all of the guards outrebound our two forwards?
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Post by wbosh15 on Mar 27, 2021 13:23:18 GMT -8
If you compare KB's freshman numbers and Taya's sophomore numbers they are amazingly similar. The two differences are that Taya was the better passer and KB the better defender. And on Taya's having literally twice as many rebounds her Soph. year vs her Junior year because she's two inches taller than Maddie? Have you heard of this person we call Mik? Soph. Taya went after every rebound she could, Junior Taya stuck her hands in the air and hoped the ball would fall into them. And again, if it's all about height then why did all of the guards outrebound our two forwards? I should have phrased that better. Taya was playing the 5 defensively a lot of times when playing with Maddie. When you are closer to the hoop you tend to grab more defensive rebounds. And Mik was an elite rebounding guard with elite instincts, no argument there.
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Post by beaverwbb fan on Mar 27, 2021 14:03:12 GMT -8
If you compare KB's freshman numbers and Taya's sophomore numbers they are amazingly similar. The two differences are that Taya was the better passer and KB the better defender. And on Taya's having literally twice as many rebounds her Soph. year vs her Junior year because she's two inches taller than Maddie? Have you heard of this person we call Mik? Soph. Taya went after every rebound she could, Junior Taya stuck her hands in the air and hoped the ball would fall into them. And again, if it's all about height then why did all of the guards outrebound our two forwards? I should have phrased that better. Taya was playing the 5 defensively a lot of times when playing with Maddie. When you are closer to the hoop you tend to grab more defensive rebounds. And Mik was an elite rebounding guard with elite instincts, no argument there. Taya did not play the 5 defensively often. Jo played it for roughly half them game (19.7 minutes per game) and Washington (16.3 MPG) played it for much of the rest. Occasionally Thropay or Morris would step in, but Rueck rarely went with Taya at the five. If you look at the percentage of Taya's FGA that were threes: 2017-18 -- 99 of 198 (50.0%) 2018-19 -- 124 of 220 (56.4%) 2020-21 -- 63 of 89 (70.8%) Or if you look at her FGA/game 2017-18 -- 6.00 FGA/game 2018-19 -- 6.47 FGA/game 2020-21 -- 4.45 FGA/game IMO, I thought Taya clearly looked to score inside the three point line far less this year than she did in her first two seasons. Stats also suggest that thought given over 70% of her shots were outside the three point line this year compared to around 50-55% in her first two seasons. Taya was never really someone who looked for her offense, but I thought she was overly passive this year and her low FGA shows that. Regardless, I thought we really needed some scoring from the 3/4 positions from Ellie and Taya this season and neither really stepped up. Next year, hopefully Talia, Greta, Sasha, and Savannah are able to provide a lot of scoring from the 2/3 positions. A more efficient Kennedy Brown would add a lot to the 4/5 positions
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Post by wbosh15 on Mar 27, 2021 16:06:47 GMT -8
Beaverwbb fan that’s excellent information on Taya’s percentage of shots from 3. I didn’t think Taya was playing the 5 a lot, but I thought she was defending the 5 more often than she might have in reality. Regardless my point I wanted to make was I expect Kennedy to be much better defensively and on the boards.
As for the 2/3 positions, I’m really hoping for a nice jump from Savanah. She’s got a nice quick first step and if she can start hitting shots consistently, she’ll be hard to keep off the floor.
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Post by 411500 on Mar 27, 2021 16:09:43 GMT -8
Great post beaverwbb fan...Always glad to read posts that dig up the actual info -- and then present it in a way that's easy to understand...
Now, the questions become : why did Taya take so few shots this year? and why were so many of them beyond the 3 line? GO BEAVS
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Post by sewingbeaver on Mar 27, 2021 16:48:40 GMT -8
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