|
Post by ag87 on Mar 22, 2021 10:49:13 GMT -8
In fairness to Ralph, UCLA was a little bit good in those years (70-71 - 76-77).
|
|
|
Post by beaverstever on Mar 22, 2021 10:53:02 GMT -8
Officially: Slats Gill 8 Ralph Miller 1 Wayne Tinkle 1 Paul Valenti 1
Ralph Miller's two wins in 1982 were later vacated.
Unofficially:
Slats Gill 8 Ralph Miller 3 Wayne Tinkle 1 Paul Valenti 1
Update: Officially: Slats Gill 8 Wayne Tinkle 2 Ralph Miller 1 Paul Valenti 1 Ralph Miller's two wins in 1982 were later vacated. Unofficially: Slats Gill 8 Ralph Miller 3 Wayne Tinkle 2 Paul Valenti 1 Wayne Tinkle is now officially second all-time in NCAA Tournament victories behind only Slats Gill. Unofficially, Tinkle passed Paul Valenti into third place all-time in NCAA Tournament victories with the chance to tie Ralph Miller in NCAA Tournament victories against Loyola of Chicago. For comparison purposes, seven seasons in (officially): Ralph Miller: 96-97 overall. One Sweet Sixteen appearance in one NCAA Tournament appearances. No Pac-12 Championships. Wayne Tinkle: 112-108 overall. One Sweet Sixteen appearance in two NCAA Tournament appearances. One Pac-12 Tournament Championship, i.e. the only one that counts nowadays.
In Miller's eighth season, he went 16-11, which would match Tinkle's 112-108 overall record.
In fact, Tinkle just caught Miller since Miller started 112-107 and Tinkle was 111-108. Tinkle can pass Miller with a win. Miller went to the NIT in season nine, which was the first of seven consecutive postseason appearances for Miller and 10 over the subsequent 11 years. That span of seven consecutive postseason appearances includes four Pac-10 Championships. That is going to be tough for Tinkle to keep up with.I have to say, I'm enjoying WT's teams playing loose at the right time much more than RM's teams playing tight at the wrong time. One tournament doesn't make a trend (although WT's loss to VCU didn't seem like an issue of them being off their game, but rather being overmatched physically), just saying Miller's postseason exits were often brutal gut punches that lasted the whole offseason.
|
|
|
Post by speakthetruth on Mar 22, 2021 12:16:34 GMT -8
Can someone explain the strategy of not having anyone on the key when we shot free throws? We did it often.
|
|
|
Post by Judge Smails on Mar 22, 2021 12:18:26 GMT -8
Can someone explain the strategy of not having anyone on the key when we shot free throws? We did it often. I think we did it a lot in the second half because we had several players in foul trouble. It's an easy way to pick up a foul going for a missed free throw. I also noticed that Ok St. did it pretty much the whole game. Couldn't figure out why they were doing it in the first half. Or else, maybe WT knew we weren't going to miss free throws.
|
|
|
Post by atownbeaver on Mar 22, 2021 12:31:46 GMT -8
Can someone explain the strategy of not having anyone on the key when we shot free throws? We did it often. I think we did it a lot in the second half because we had several players in foul trouble. It's an easy way to pick up a foul going for a missed free throw. I also noticed that Ok St. did it pretty much the whole game. Couldn't figure out why they were doing it in the first half. Or else, maybe WT knew we weren't going to miss free throws. Late game legs too. conserving energy. why run the floor when you can stroll back there and make them run down the floor? You are up in defense, you aren't having to run with them, and you aren't risking a break out or quick transition bucket off the scrum either. We were shooting well, besides the foul trouble we were in, it was a high percentage play on WT's part.
|
|
|
Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 22, 2021 14:32:03 GMT -8
Update: Officially: Slats Gill 8 Wayne Tinkle 2 Ralph Miller 1 Paul Valenti 1 Ralph Miller's two wins in 1982 were later vacated. Unofficially: Slats Gill 8 Ralph Miller 3 Wayne Tinkle 2 Paul Valenti 1 Wayne Tinkle is now officially second all-time in NCAA Tournament victories behind only Slats Gill. Unofficially, Tinkle passed Paul Valenti into third place all-time in NCAA Tournament victories with the chance to tie Ralph Miller in NCAA Tournament victories against Loyola of Chicago. For comparison purposes, seven seasons in (officially): Ralph Miller: 96-97 overall. One Sweet Sixteen appearance in one NCAA Tournament appearances. No Pac-12 Championships. Wayne Tinkle: 112-108 overall. One Sweet Sixteen appearance in two NCAA Tournament appearances. One Pac-12 Tournament Championship, i.e. the only one that counts nowadays.
In Miller's eighth season, he went 16-11, which would match Tinkle's 112-108 overall record.
In fact, Tinkle just caught Miller since Miller started 112-107 and Tinkle was 111-108. Tinkle can pass Miller with a win. Miller went to the NIT in season nine, which was the first of seven consecutive postseason appearances for Miller and 10 over the subsequent 11 years. That span of seven consecutive postseason appearances includes four Pac-10 Championships. That is going to be tough for Tinkle to keep up with.I have to say, I'm enjoying WT's teams playing loose at the right time much more than RM's teams playing tight at the wrong time. One tournament doesn't make a trend (although WT's loss to VCU didn't seem like an issue of them being off their game, but rather being overmatched physically), just saying Miller's postseason exits were often brutal gut punches that lasted the whole offseason. Tres Tinkle was second on the team in minutes played behind Gary Payton II before he was injured. He also was Oregon State's second leading scorer behind Stevie Thompson. The analytics have him as the best offensive player and the third-best defensive player behind Gary Payton II and Cheikh N'diaye. Not having Tres hurt. Oregon State shot poorly. VCU shot very well. Of more import, ultimately, VCU got to the line six more times than Oregon State and converted seven more free throws, which helps to explain most of the scoring difference. Oregon State rebounded poorly. VCU rebounded better than most of the Beavers' other opponents. VCU had two more offensive rebounds but the teams were even in second-chance points. Oregon State was +6 in turnover margin and +16 in points off of turnovers. Free throws were the biggest issue. Otherwise, the primary issue was that Oregon State did not shoot well and VCU shot very well. The stats seem to indicate that the Beavers were off their game both offensively and defensively.
|
|
|
Post by beaverstever on Mar 22, 2021 14:57:29 GMT -8
I have to say, I'm enjoying WT's teams playing loose at the right time much more than RM's teams playing tight at the wrong time. One tournament doesn't make a trend (although WT's loss to VCU didn't seem like an issue of them being off their game, but rather being overmatched physically), just saying Miller's postseason exits were often brutal gut punches that lasted the whole offseason. Tres Tinkle was second on the team in minutes played behind Gary Payton II before he was injured. He also was Oregon State's second leading scorer behind Stevie Thompson. The analytics have him as the best offensive player and the third-best defensive player behind Gary Payton II and Cheikh N'diaye. Not having Tres hurt. Oregon State shot poorly. VCU shot very well. Of more import, ultimately, VCU got to the line six more times than Oregon State and converted seven more free throws, which helps to explain most of the scoring difference. Oregon State rebounded poorly. VCU rebounded better than most of the Beavers' other opponents. VCU had two more offensive rebounds but the teams were even in second-chance points. Oregon State was +6 in turnover margin and +16 in points off of turnovers. Free throws were the biggest issue. Otherwise, the primary issue was that Oregon State did not shoot well and VCU shot very well. The stats seem to indicate that the Beavers were off their game both offensively and defensively. Hmm - OSU shot almost 42% from the field, and 41% from 3pt - so -5% lower on 2pt, 4% higher on 3pt - doesn't seem an outlier. VCU shot well because Alie-Cox went 7-8 (and 6-6 from ft line), and we had no answer for him inside. Tres may have indeed made a difference, but he wasn't going to stop Alie-Cox either as a frosh. He certainly could have helped overall, but his season averages in terms of % were't really better than what we did that game - as the game wore on, it just felt like they could will their way to buckets, and we could not. Maybe just my feeling, but it didn't feel like we were 'off', it felt like they were just able to overwhelm us.
|
|
|
Post by Judge Smails on Mar 22, 2021 15:01:02 GMT -8
Tres Tinkle was second on the team in minutes played behind Gary Payton II before he was injured. He also was Oregon State's second leading scorer behind Stevie Thompson. The analytics have him as the best offensive player and the third-best defensive player behind Gary Payton II and Cheikh N'diaye. Not having Tres hurt. Oregon State shot poorly. VCU shot very well. Of more import, ultimately, VCU got to the line six more times than Oregon State and converted seven more free throws, which helps to explain most of the scoring difference. Oregon State rebounded poorly. VCU rebounded better than most of the Beavers' other opponents. VCU had two more offensive rebounds but the teams were even in second-chance points. Oregon State was +6 in turnover margin and +16 in points off of turnovers. Free throws were the biggest issue. Otherwise, the primary issue was that Oregon State did not shoot well and VCU shot very well. The stats seem to indicate that the Beavers were off their game both offensively and defensively. Hmm - OSU shot almost 42% from the field, and 41% from 3pt - so -5% lower on 2pt, 4% higher on 3pt - doesn't seem an outlier. VCU shot well because Alie-Cox went 7-8 (and 6-6 from ft line), and we had no answer for him inside. Tres may have indeed made a difference, but he wasn't going to stop Alie-Cox either as a frosh. He certainly could have helped overall, but his season averages in terms of % were't really better than what we did that game - as the game wore on, it just felt like they could will their way to buckets, and we could not. Maybe just my feeling, but it didn't feel like we were 'off', it felt like they were just able to overwhelm us. Yea, I don't like the odds of Tinkle vs a future NFL tight end. I thought we just got out hustled in that game.
|
|
|
Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 22, 2021 21:54:22 GMT -8
Tres Tinkle was second on the team in minutes played behind Gary Payton II before he was injured. He also was Oregon State's second leading scorer behind Stevie Thompson. The analytics have him as the best offensive player and the third-best defensive player behind Gary Payton II and Cheikh N'diaye. Not having Tres hurt. Oregon State shot poorly. VCU shot very well. Of more import, ultimately, VCU got to the line six more times than Oregon State and converted seven more free throws, which helps to explain most of the scoring difference. Oregon State rebounded poorly. VCU rebounded better than most of the Beavers' other opponents. VCU had two more offensive rebounds but the teams were even in second-chance points. Oregon State was +6 in turnover margin and +16 in points off of turnovers. Free throws were the biggest issue. Otherwise, the primary issue was that Oregon State did not shoot well and VCU shot very well. The stats seem to indicate that the Beavers were off their game both offensively and defensively. Hmm - OSU shot almost 42% from the field, and 41% from 3pt - so -5% lower on 2pt, 4% higher on 3pt - doesn't seem an outlier. VCU shot well because Alie-Cox went 7-8 (and 6-6 from ft line), and we had no answer for him inside. Tres may have indeed made a difference, but he wasn't going to stop Alie-Cox either as a frosh. He certainly could have helped overall, but his season averages in terms of % were't really better than what we did that game - as the game wore on, it just felt like they could will their way to buckets, and we could not. Maybe just my feeling, but it didn't feel like we were 'off', it felt like they were just able to overwhelm us. The difference in three point shooting was one shot, as in Oregon State would typically have missed one more shot than they did against VCU. The difference in two-point shooting was three shots. Basically, Oregon State missed three additional shots from inside the arc than they would have against a typical opponent. Net result is -3 points. A fun fact about Mo Alie-Cox is that he has been playing tight end for the Colts since graduating in 2017. He is the ninth-best tight end in the NFL according to some metrics. He is regarded as a very fast tight end that can stretch the field. The stat guys really like him. It does not seem like Coach Frank Reich is a stat guy, though. He might do something really special with a different team. Stevie Thompson played arguably his worst game of the year, finishing 2/11 and missing two layups, one uncontested. In a game, where we really needed him to step up, he largely disappeared on offense. Malcolm Duvivier was also a waste of space, eating up 23 minutes and going 1/4 from the field for a paltry three points and leading the team in turnovers with two. Those two were combining to average 17 points, 3 assists and 2 steals. What we got instead was 9 points, 2 assists and a steal. The Beavers were missing those 10+ offensive points that Duvivier and Thompson would normally contribute, and Oregon State could not seem to find a way to cover for Duvivier and Thompson's poor nights. This is not to say that Oregon State did not fail defensively, as well. Freshman Drew Eubanks looked lost on several plays. Eubanks provided offense to keep the Beavers in the game, but it seemed like he was getting beat more often than he was generating points. I would ultimately say that it was about an even split between Oregon State's offense and defense.
|
|