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Post by Judge Smails on Apr 15, 2021 13:16:20 GMT -8
18 more cases in Benton County today. Not trending in the right direction.
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Post by mbabeav on Apr 15, 2021 15:27:51 GMT -8
18 more cases in Benton County today. Not trending in the right direction. Benton County was averaging about 5 cases a day till the last three days. I was at Reser getting my first shot yesterday, and the good old OSU tracer program was running full bore too in another section of the stadium. Almost 60 cases in 3 days, with students returning to k-12 in person, playing sports, and the University leading the way. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Apr 15, 2021 15:55:06 GMT -8
I am often a knucklehead. I once accidentally drunkenly poured booze all over my aunt at her son's wedding. I once ran out of money and had to hitch a ride from a very nice first generation American in Northeastern Pennsylvania. I once missed a flight in Philadelphia, because I just had to buy a sandwich and had to stay an extra night. I once got stuck on a freeway on a mountain pass in a blizzard and had to sleep in my car. You have the right to believe that I am a knucklehead. But I have the right to eat gas station sandwiches or drive through a blizzard or to eat street food in Northern Mexico or go bungee jumping in Africa. I have the right to fly across the country three across in coach during a pandemic six times. And, whether I am a knucklehead or not and whether someone else knows better or not, I sure as heck should have the right to go to a ballgame during a pandemic with a bunch of other knuckleheads. I was trying to speak more to ya'll, rather than you, because I sure as heck don't believe that you are a radical, yuppie or a clown. (You might be, but I don't believe it.) I don't know enough about you being a tree-hugger, but I have always been a fan of florae and their ability to turn carbon dioxide into oxygen. The long and the short of it is I appreciate your Beaver fandom and your insightful sportsball posts. And go Beavs! I find the conversation about “rights” to be very interesting because, at least for me, it is exceedingly hard to pinpoint exactly what a “right” is. What you call rights, I call privilege. And privilege is granted or can be nullified. In other words, you have the “right“ to do go to the game if and only if there is no duty incumbent upon you not to do that. Attending a baseball game or flying across the country is not a human right or a civil right. These rights should apply to all people equally and without exception. But there are many who cannot fly back and forth across the country or attend a baseball game for want of money. Is it their right to do these activities still? No, so these are simple privileges in my book. Anyway, I can see that we have a difference of opinion of what constitutes an individual’s rights, which rights ought to be protected at all costs, and the role of government in upholding these rights. That’s OK with me. As long as we agree that the Ducks suck and that the Beavs are #1. (ps. How was “cleaning your gun” in your hot tub. 😉) The Ducks suck, and da Beavs are #1. And a cheeky p.s. to close. Great stuff there. I get my second Pfizer shot tomorrow, and my wife gets hers the day after, so I am looking forward to all limitations being lifted in about nine days. I am semi-content to wait until then. Rights are rights, granted by God or Elohim or Yahweh or Allah or Brahman or the FSM or whatever negligent SOB decided to bunch up all of the subatomic particles into one tiny ball pre-Big Bang. The inalienable right of mobility is both a human and civil right. There are constitutional cases holding that mobility is a civil right. You have the inalienable right to travel from one state to another. You have the inalienable right to purchase transportation to travel from one state to another. And you have the right to purchase lodging in another state. No one can deny you the right to mobility. And the denial of the right to mobility is always naturally oppressive. It is everyone's right to travel to be as mobile as their situation allows. Some may lack the ability because they are disabled. My father broke his neck in a car crash in 2012. He is now a paraplegic and cannot travel interstate by plane without tremendous, near impossible difficulty. He can be driven. He can ride a bus or a train. Some may lack the ability to travel for want of money. However, they can hitch and trust in the good will of their fellow man. I have done it before without incident. (Never interstate, though, but I know that it can and has been done.) The method and mode of travel may be reserved to individuals with less or more money. But we should remember that there were first class flights even in the Soviet Union. In total, travel is not a privilege; it is a right. We can agree to disagree about watching a baseball game, as I concede that it as much more of a gray area than interstate travel. |
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Post by irimi on Apr 15, 2021 16:51:42 GMT -8
I find the conversation about “rights” to be very interesting because, at least for me, it is exceedingly hard to pinpoint exactly what a “right” is. What you call rights, I call privilege. And privilege is granted or can be nullified. In other words, you have the “right“ to do go to the game if and only if there is no duty incumbent upon you not to do that. Attending a baseball game or flying across the country is not a human right or a civil right. These rights should apply to all people equally and without exception. But there are many who cannot fly back and forth across the country or attend a baseball game for want of money. Is it their right to do these activities still? No, so these are simple privileges in my book. Anyway, I can see that we have a difference of opinion of what constitutes an individual’s rights, which rights ought to be protected at all costs, and the role of government in upholding these rights. That’s OK with me. As long as we agree that the Ducks suck and that the Beavs are #1. (ps. How was “cleaning your gun” in your hot tub. 😉) The Ducks suck, and da Beavs are #1. And a cheeky p.s. to close. Great stuff there. I get my second Pfizer shot tomorrow, and my wife gets hers the day after, so I am looking forward to all limitations being lifted in about nine days. I am semi-content to wait until then. Rights are rights, granted by God or Elohim or Yahweh or Allah or Brahman or the FSM or whatever negligent SOB decided to bunch up all of the subatomic particles into one tiny ball pre-Big Bang. The inalienable right of mobility is both a human and civil right. There are constitutional cases holding that mobility is a civil right. You have the inalienable right to travel from one state to another. You have the inalienable right to purchase transportation to travel from one state to another. And you have the right to purchase lodging in another state. No one can deny you the right to mobility. And the denial of the right to mobility is always naturally oppressive. It is everyone's right to travel to be as mobile as their situation allows. Some may lack the ability because they are disabled. My father broke his neck in a car crash in 2012. He is now a paraplegic and cannot travel interstate by plane without tremendous, near impossible difficulty. He can be driven. He can ride a bus or a train. Some may lack the ability to travel for want of money. However, they can hitch and trust in the good will of their fellow man. I have done it before without incident. (Never interstate, though, but I know that it can and has been done.) The method and mode of travel may be reserved to individuals with less or more money. But we should remember that there were first class flights even in the Soviet Union. In total, travel is not a privilege; it is a right. We can agree to disagree about watching a baseball game, as I concede that it as much more of a gray area than interstate travel. I think that I can agree with your case that traveling from one place to another ought to be a right. I struggle a bit when it comes to crossing borders, though, even state borders. It’s an interesting idea. Should a government be able to keep people out of some place simply due to some arbitrary line on a map? Should a government be able to keep its people inside, like China and the old USSR did? Some say that the boundaries are claims, and the rights of these claims outweigh personal rights. So, in essence, I can put up a fence around my property and a big old Keep Out sign and that trumps your right to move about freely. It’s really intriguing. Something as simple as moving about. I have a couple of weeks before I get my second dose of the Kirkland vaccine at Costco. You should see the size of that needle! Stay safe. |
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Post by irimi on Apr 15, 2021 16:57:14 GMT -8
Apropo of nothing else, had this virus happened with 1918 technology, it would have had a death rate easily as high as the 1918 pandemic. .25% death rate with 2020 technology and the ability to develop vaccines in months not withstanding, this could have been soooo much worse. Deaths from the regular flu are down 33% from the pre pandemic year due to pandemic mitigation efforts too. I read just a bit about it yesterday and was surprised at how advanced medicine and science have become since then. There were at least four waves of the Influenza and it lasted for 2 years. I sure hope that this doesn’t go for another year. I’ve got my heart set on Autumn, full football stadiums, delicious restaurant meals, and some get-togethers. |
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Post by zeroposter on Apr 15, 2021 17:30:42 GMT -8
Seems like a thread to get good advice. I am in a remote, Eastern Oregon campground and drinking beer and fishing. Nobody around. Did see an antelope though. Should I be wearing one mask or two? Federal land.
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Post by badwack on Apr 15, 2021 17:47:38 GMT -8
Check with the CDC or Dr. Fauci. I think you might be fine but the Antelope might be in violation.
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Post by Judge Smails on Apr 15, 2021 18:37:57 GMT -8
Seems like a thread to get good advice. I am in a remote, Eastern Oregon campground and drinking beer and fishing. Nobody around. Did see an antelope though. Should I be wearing one mask or two? Federal land. I don’t think your relationship with an antelope has anything to do with the current situation. But I would double mask if I were you. |
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