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Post by irimi on Apr 14, 2021 7:20:58 GMT -8
Really? Do we really want to rehash all of this again? Just take care of yourself, protect yourself, protect others, and be patient. See, and I 75% agree. Take care of yourself, protect yourself and protect others. Patience is great and everything, but we are given only so much time on this planet. I agree with you that life is short, but I don’t agree with your implication that the brevity of life should somehow trump the pandemic. Such thinking is selfish. My good, my entertainment, my life is more important than the welfare of others and the health of others. Yes, I know that this statement is inflammatory. No one wants to be called selfish; it’s an ugly trait. So I expect you or others to jump in and complain about numbers or “facts” or whatnot to try to hide your selfish desire to watch a baseball game in person behind rhetoric. But really, what is wrong with watching the games on TV in the comfort of your home with your loved ones and less expensive beer (if you partake)? Why can’t you feel good about “doing your part” instead of complaining? The last time I checked, Mother Nature goes about things in her own way and in her own time. And if part of your life is spent fighting off this pandemic, then that is part of your life. No more, no less than going to sit in the bleachers at Goss for a couple of hours. |
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Post by mbabeav on Apr 14, 2021 11:01:08 GMT -8
17 cases today.....I think OSU starting testing again. Just when it looks like we might get to moderate. How many hospitalizations? Benton County web site reports 25 (new?) cases this morning, no new hospitalizations - IMO it's obviously the under 30 testing, and we are probably headed back into the closed zone. |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Apr 14, 2021 11:16:42 GMT -8
See, and I 75% agree. Take care of yourself, protect yourself and protect others. Patience is great and everything, but we are given only so much time on this planet. I agree with you that life is short, but I don’t agree with your implication that the brevity of life should somehow trump the pandemic. Such thinking is selfish. My good, my entertainment, my life is more important than the welfare of others and the health of others. Yes, I know that this statement is inflammatory. No one wants to be called selfish; it’s an ugly trait. So I expect you or others to jump in and complain about numbers or “facts” or whatnot to try to hide your selfish desire to watch a baseball game in person behind rhetoric. But really, what is wrong with watching the games on TV in the comfort of your home with your loved ones and less expensive beer (if you partake)? Why can’t you feel good about “doing your part” instead of complaining? The last time I checked, Mother Nature goes about things in her own way and in her own time. And if part of your life is spent fighting off this pandemic, then that is part of your life. No more, no less than going to sit in the bleachers at Goss for a couple of hours. We've already been through all this. Some of us dont think this has been handled correctly. And you will continue to call us selfish A holes for thinking that way.....that's ur prerogative and ur welcome to it.....now you can pound sand! |
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Post by irimi on Apr 14, 2021 11:23:20 GMT -8
I agree with you that life is short, but I don’t agree with your implication that the brevity of life should somehow trump the pandemic. Such thinking is selfish. My good, my entertainment, my life is more important than the welfare of others and the health of others. Yes, I know that this statement is inflammatory. No one wants to be called selfish; it’s an ugly trait. So I expect you or others to jump in and complain about numbers or “facts” or whatnot to try to hide your selfish desire to watch a baseball game in person behind rhetoric. But really, what is wrong with watching the games on TV in the comfort of your home with your loved ones and less expensive beer (if you partake)? Why can’t you feel good about “doing your part” instead of complaining? The last time I checked, Mother Nature goes about things in her own way and in her own time. And if part of your life is spent fighting off this pandemic, then that is part of your life. No more, no less than going to sit in the bleachers at Goss for a couple of hours. We've already been through all this. Some of us dont think this has been handled correctly. And you will continue to call us selfish A holes for thinking that way.....that's ur prerogative and ur welcome to it.....now you can pound sand! What's the point, then, of bringing it up again and again? Does it make you feel better to complain about the big, bad government? Is Benny's House for whiners only now? |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Apr 14, 2021 13:24:39 GMT -8
How many hospitalizations? Benton County web site reports 25 (new?) cases this morning, no new hospitalizations - IMO it's obviously the under 30 testing, and we are probably headed back into the closed zone. Restaurants, etc., can now stay open at at least 25% capacity no matter the county's risk designation if statewide hospitalizations remain below 300, a threshold we are not close to approaching. Benton County has 85K residents; probably about 65-70K are over 18 and eligible for the vaccinations. As of today, more than 40k have had at least one shot, and more than 26K are fully vaxxed. Students (over 18) become eligible for vaccinations on April 19, and the county should do everything possible to get them vaxxed as they are the source of most of our cases. There are clinics at Reser 2-3 times a week. We are getting there. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Apr 14, 2021 14:11:11 GMT -8
We've already been through all this. Some of us dont think this has been handled correctly. And you will continue to call us selfish A holes for thinking that way.....that's ur prerogative and ur welcome to it.....now you can pound sand! What's the point, then, of bringing it up again and again? Does it make you feel better to complain about the big, bad government? Is Benny's House for whiners only now? Personally, it always makes me feel good to complain about politicians in particular and government in general. I cannot speak for anyone else, but, for me, my friend, it is rarely so much about the destination as it is about the drive. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Apr 14, 2021 14:39:54 GMT -8
See, and I 75% agree. Take care of yourself, protect yourself and protect others. Patience is great and everything, but we are given only so much time on this planet. I agree with you that life is short, but I don’t agree with your implication that the brevity of life should somehow trump the pandemic. Such thinking is selfish. My good, my entertainment, my life is more important than the welfare of others and the health of others. Yes, I know that this statement is inflammatory. No one wants to be called selfish; it’s an ugly trait. So I expect you or others to jump in and complain about numbers or “facts” or whatnot to try to hide your selfish desire to watch a baseball game in person behind rhetoric. But really, what is wrong with watching the games on TV in the comfort of your home with your loved ones and less expensive beer (if you partake)? Why can’t you feel good about “doing your part” instead of complaining? The last time I checked, Mother Nature goes about things in her own way and in her own time. And if part of your life is spent fighting off this pandemic, then that is part of your life. No more, no less than going to sit in the bleachers at Goss for a couple of hours. Last paragraph. Have you been to Goss? Because it sounds like you have never seen a game there or to Gill or to Reser. That is asinine. No. I disagree. You're 100% dead wrong right there. I will continue on anyway: Who says that I can't feel good about doing my part while also complaining? If you're not complaining, you are free to do so. You can also complain about complaining, but that is much like shooting yourself to protest gun violence. Or lighting yourself on fire to protest forest fires. You do you, my friend. So, just so I understand your first point, the 100% certainty of brevity of life should not trump a pandemic caused by a disease that has a 0.25% shot of causing brevity of life. I would posit that my thinking is more rational than selfish. But selfishness is often the rational choice, so you may be correct in your characterization. But you have the right to be a selfish a-hole. Just as you have the right to be a benevolent a-hole. You do you, my friend. This whole thing comes down to who gets to play God. Am I smart enough to make my own decisions? Or am am a braindead moron that requires big, bad government, as you say, to tell me that I am a braindead moron that is not smart enough to make my own decisions and to dictate my decisions for me? You almost agree that numbers and facts are not on your side, so I will ignore them as well. We will stick to rhetoric. Your post is that I am too damn stupid to make my own decisions. And you are worried that someone else who is too damn stupid to make their decisions for themselves will be injured by two knuckleheads being in the same place as the same time. The condescending hubris there is astounding. I would post that you are rhetorically wrong. And that you are morally wrong, not in a spiritual moral way (there you may have the upper hand, because of the dictates about the preservation of life in all of its forms). You are opposed to liberty, an individual's freedom of choice. We, as Americans, have the right to be knuckleheads. We, as Americans, have the right to be knuckleheads with other knuckleheads. We have the right to look you in the eye and say that you are dead wrong and do what we please, even if you have a whole host of facts, figures and paid experts that 100% say the opposite. I am going to clean my gun in a hot tub watching a nearby television, while drinking and smoking a cigar and eating a medium rare steak with eggs, because I am a mother f#*king American. I have the 100% right to be a knucklehead. And you can clean your kazoo (or whatever yuppies own, when they don't own a gun) and read a book, while drinking mineral water out of a paper straw, sucking on a hookah pipe and eating a small salad with dressing on the side, because you are an American. And we can be galled by each other all that we want, because we are equally Americans. Freedom is freedom to be selfish or to not be selfish. Freedom is to play the odds or to take yourself out of the equation. If it is not that, it is oppression. And I will not listen to someone champion the cause of oppression without at least tapping out a response. I view us both as great Beaver fans, as I view most on this board. And you, more than most, I very much appreciate your sports insight. But I occasionally do not appreciate your non-sports insight, so none of this intended to be offensive or anything, but it can obviously be construed that way, if you like. You do you. Now, I am going to clean my gun in a hot tub watching a nearby television, while drinking and smoking a cigar and eating a medium rare steak with eggs, because I am a mother f#*king American. |
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Post by beaver56 on Apr 14, 2021 18:08:28 GMT -8
What an outstanding response. Very well said. You be you.
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Apr 14, 2021 19:12:50 GMT -8
We've already been through all this. Some of us dont think this has been handled correctly. And you will continue to call us selfish A holes for thinking that way.....that's ur prerogative and ur welcome to it.....now you can pound sand! What's the point, then, of bringing it up again and again? Does it make you feel better to complain about the big, bad government? Is Benny's House for whiners only now? Honestly, I'm tired of you. You annoy me with your self righteousness. |
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Post by irimi on Apr 14, 2021 19:43:35 GMT -8
What's the point, then, of bringing it up again and again? Does it make you feel better to complain about the big, bad government? Is Benny's House for whiners only now? Honestly, I'm tired of you. You annoy me with your self righteousness. Lol. Join the club. Luckily, I’m not any more here for your pleasure than you are for mine. The annoyance and self righteousness you see in me I see in you. But I’m just fine with watching the Beavs on tv at home. They’ll be there next year. No big deal. |
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Post by irimi on Apr 14, 2021 20:39:57 GMT -8
I agree with you that life is short, but I don’t agree with your implication that the brevity of life should somehow trump the pandemic. Such thinking is selfish. My good, my entertainment, my life is more important than the welfare of others and the health of others. Yes, I know that this statement is inflammatory. No one wants to be called selfish; it’s an ugly trait. So I expect you or others to jump in and complain about numbers or “facts” or whatnot to try to hide your selfish desire to watch a baseball game in person behind rhetoric. But really, what is wrong with watching the games on TV in the comfort of your home with your loved ones and less expensive beer (if you partake)? Why can’t you feel good about “doing your part” instead of complaining? The last time I checked, Mother Nature goes about things in her own way and in her own time. And if part of your life is spent fighting off this pandemic, then that is part of your life. No more, no less than going to sit in the bleachers at Goss for a couple of hours. Last paragraph. Have you been to Goss? Because it sounds like you have never seen a game there or to Gill or to Reser. That is asinine. No. I disagree. You're 100% dead wrong right there. I will continue on anyway: Who says that I can't feel good about doing my part while also complaining? If you're not complaining, you are free to do so. You can also complain about complaining, but that is much like shooting yourself to protest gun violence. Or lighting yourself on fire to protest forest fires. You do you, my friend. So, just so I understand your first point, the 100% certainty of brevity of life should not trump a pandemic caused by a disease that has a 0.25% shot of causing brevity of life. I would posit that my thinking is more rational than selfish. But selfishness is often the rational choice, so you may be correct in your characterization. But you have the right to be a selfish a-hole. Just as you have the right to be a benevolent a-hole. You do you, my friend. This whole thing comes down to who gets to play God. Am I smart enough to make my own decisions? Or am am a braindead moron that requires big, bad government, as you say, to tell me that I am a braindead moron that is not smart enough to make my own decisions and to dictate my decisions for me? You almost agree that numbers and facts are not on your side, so I will ignore them as well. We will stick to rhetoric. Your post is that I am too damn stupid to make my own decisions. And you are worried that someone else who is too damn stupid to make their decisions for themselves will be injured by two knuckleheads being in the same place as the same time. The condescending hubris there is astounding. I would post that you are rhetorically wrong. And that you are morally wrong, not in a spiritual moral way (there you may have the upper hand, because of the dictates about the preservation of life in all of its forms). You are opposed to liberty, an individual's freedom of choice. We, as Americans, have the right to be knuckleheads. We, as Americans, have the right to be knuckleheads with other knuckleheads. We have the right to look you in the eye and say that you are dead wrong and do what we please, even if you have a whole host of facts, figures and paid experts that 100% say the opposite. I am going to clean my gun in a hot tub watching a nearby television, while drinking and smoking a cigar and eating a medium rare steak with eggs, because I am a mother f#*king American. I have the 100% right to be a knucklehead. And you can clean your kazoo (or whatever yuppies own, when they don't own a gun) and read a book, while drinking mineral water out of a paper straw, sucking on a hookah pipe and eating a small salad with dressing on the side, because you are an American. And we can be galled by each other all that we want, because we are equally Americans. Freedom is freedom to be selfish or to not be selfish. Freedom is to play the odds or to take yourself out of the equation. If it is not that, it is oppression. And I will not listen to someone champion the cause of oppression without at least tapping out a response. I view us both as great Beaver fans, as I view most on this board. And you, more than most, I very much appreciate your sports insight. But I occasionally do not appreciate your non-sports insight, so none of this intended to be offensive or anything, but it can obviously be construed that way, if you like. You do you. Now, I am going to clean my gun in a hot tub watching a nearby television, while drinking and smoking a cigar and eating a medium rare steak with eggs, because I am a mother f#*king American. Of course, I have been to Goss, Reser, and Gill. Like I told Spud the other day in a different thread, you are arguing with an imaginary foe—you attribute so much to me that I haven’t said. And your image of me is ridiculous. So you aren’t addressing me; you are addressing some media-fed image of what you think a person who supports the government is like. I know it’s contrived that way. You are too careful of a writer not to have planned it. Say that he’s condescending. Say that he thinks we are knuckleheads. Paint him as a radical, a yuppie, a tree-hugger, a clown. Suggest that he isn’t much of a fan because he probably doesn’t go to watch the Beavs in person. Everyone will laugh. No need to take it seriously. It’s unfortunate. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Apr 14, 2021 21:26:04 GMT -8
Last paragraph. Have you been to Goss? Because it sounds like you have never seen a game there or to Gill or to Reser. That is asinine. No. I disagree. You're 100% dead wrong right there. I will continue on anyway: Who says that I can't feel good about doing my part while also complaining? If you're not complaining, you are free to do so. You can also complain about complaining, but that is much like shooting yourself to protest gun violence. Or lighting yourself on fire to protest forest fires. You do you, my friend. So, just so I understand your first point, the 100% certainty of brevity of life should not trump a pandemic caused by a disease that has a 0.25% shot of causing brevity of life. I would posit that my thinking is more rational than selfish. But selfishness is often the rational choice, so you may be correct in your characterization. But you have the right to be a selfish a-hole. Just as you have the right to be a benevolent a-hole. You do you, my friend. This whole thing comes down to who gets to play God. Am I smart enough to make my own decisions? Or am am a braindead moron that requires big, bad government, as you say, to tell me that I am a braindead moron that is not smart enough to make my own decisions and to dictate my decisions for me? You almost agree that numbers and facts are not on your side, so I will ignore them as well. We will stick to rhetoric. Your post is that I am too damn stupid to make my own decisions. And you are worried that someone else who is too damn stupid to make their decisions for themselves will be injured by two knuckleheads being in the same place as the same time. The condescending hubris there is astounding. I would post that you are rhetorically wrong. And that you are morally wrong, not in a spiritual moral way (there you may have the upper hand, because of the dictates about the preservation of life in all of its forms). You are opposed to liberty, an individual's freedom of choice. We, as Americans, have the right to be knuckleheads. We, as Americans, have the right to be knuckleheads with other knuckleheads. We have the right to look you in the eye and say that you are dead wrong and do what we please, even if you have a whole host of facts, figures and paid experts that 100% say the opposite. I am going to clean my gun in a hot tub watching a nearby television, while drinking and smoking a cigar and eating a medium rare steak with eggs, because I am a mother f#*king American. I have the 100% right to be a knucklehead. And you can clean your kazoo (or whatever yuppies own, when they don't own a gun) and read a book, while drinking mineral water out of a paper straw, sucking on a hookah pipe and eating a small salad with dressing on the side, because you are an American. And we can be galled by each other all that we want, because we are equally Americans. Freedom is freedom to be selfish or to not be selfish. Freedom is to play the odds or to take yourself out of the equation. If it is not that, it is oppression. And I will not listen to someone champion the cause of oppression without at least tapping out a response. I view us both as great Beaver fans, as I view most on this board. And you, more than most, I very much appreciate your sports insight. But I occasionally do not appreciate your non-sports insight, so none of this intended to be offensive or anything, but it can obviously be construed that way, if you like. You do you. Now, I am going to clean my gun in a hot tub watching a nearby television, while drinking and smoking a cigar and eating a medium rare steak with eggs, because I am a mother f#*king American. Of course, I have been to Goss, Reser, and Gill. Like I told Spud the other day in a different thread, you are arguing with an imaginary foe—you attribute so much to me that I haven’t said. And your image of me is ridiculous. So you aren’t addressing me; you are addressing some media-fed image of what you think a person who supports the government is like. I know it’s contrived that way. You are too careful of a writer not to have planned it. Say that he’s condescending. Say that he thinks we are knuckleheads. Paint him as a radical, a yuppie, a tree-hugger, a clown. Suggest that he isn’t much of a fan because he probably doesn’t go to watch the Beavs in person. Everyone will laugh. No need to take it seriously. It’s unfortunate. I am often a knucklehead. I once accidentally drunkenly poured booze all over my aunt at her son's wedding. I once ran out of money and had to hitch a ride from a very nice first generation American in Northeastern Pennsylvania. I once missed a flight in Philadelphia, because I just had to buy a sandwich and had to stay an extra night. I once got stuck on a freeway on a mountain pass in a blizzard and had to sleep in my car. You have the right to believe that I am a knucklehead. But I have the right to eat gas station sandwiches or drive through a blizzard or to eat street food in Northern Mexico or go bungee jumping in Africa. I have the right to fly across the country three across in coach during a pandemic six times. And, whether I am a knucklehead or not and whether someone else knows better or not, I sure as heck should have the right to go to a ballgame during a pandemic with a bunch of other knuckleheads. I was trying to speak more to ya'll, rather than you, because I sure as heck don't believe that you are a radical, yuppie or a clown. (You might be, but I don't believe it.) I don't know enough about you being a tree-hugger, but I have always been a fan of florae and their ability to turn carbon dioxide into oxygen. The long and the short of it is I appreciate your Beaver fandom and your insightful sportsball posts. And go Beavs! |
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Post by irimi on Apr 15, 2021 9:42:12 GMT -8
Of course, I have been to Goss, Reser, and Gill. Like I told Spud the other day in a different thread, you are arguing with an imaginary foe—you attribute so much to me that I haven’t said. And your image of me is ridiculous. So you aren’t addressing me; you are addressing some media-fed image of what you think a person who supports the government is like. I know it’s contrived that way. You are too careful of a writer not to have planned it. Say that he’s condescending. Say that he thinks we are knuckleheads. Paint him as a radical, a yuppie, a tree-hugger, a clown. Suggest that he isn’t much of a fan because he probably doesn’t go to watch the Beavs in person. Everyone will laugh. No need to take it seriously. It’s unfortunate. I am often a knucklehead. I once accidentally drunkenly poured booze all over my aunt at her son's wedding. I once ran out of money and had to hitch a ride from a very nice first generation American in Northeastern Pennsylvania. I once missed a flight in Philadelphia, because I just had to buy a sandwich and had to stay an extra night. I once got stuck on a freeway on a mountain pass in a blizzard and had to sleep in my car. You have the right to believe that I am a knucklehead. But I have the right to eat gas station sandwiches or drive through a blizzard or to eat street food in Northern Mexico or go bungee jumping in Africa. I have the right to fly across the country three across in coach during a pandemic six times. And, whether I am a knucklehead or not and whether someone else knows better or not, I sure as heck should have the right to go to a ballgame during a pandemic with a bunch of other knuckleheads. I was trying to speak more to ya'll, rather than you, because I sure as heck don't believe that you are a radical, yuppie or a clown. (You might be, but I don't believe it.) I don't know enough about you being a tree-hugger, but I have always been a fan of florae and their ability to turn carbon dioxide into oxygen. The long and the short of it is I appreciate your Beaver fandom and your insightful sportsball posts. And go Beavs! I find the conversation about “rights” to be very interesting because, at least for me, it is exceedingly hard to pinpoint exactly what a “right” is. What you call rights, I call privilege. And privilege is granted or can be nullified. In other words, you have the “right“ to do go to the game if and only if there is no duty incumbent upon you not to do that. Attending a baseball game or flying across the country is not a human right or a civil right. These rights should apply to all people equally and without exception. But there are many who cannot fly back and forth across the country or attend a baseball game for want of money. Is it their right to do these activities still? No, so these are simple privileges in my book. Anyway, I can see that we have a difference of opinion of what constitutes an individual’s rights, which rights ought to be protected at all costs, and the role of government in upholding these rights. That’s OK with me. As long as we agree that the Ducks suck and that the Beavs are #1. (ps. How was “cleaning your gun” in your hot tub. 😉) |
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Post by mbabeav on Apr 15, 2021 10:05:48 GMT -8
Apropo of nothing else, had this virus happened with 1918 technology, it would have had a death rate easily as high as the 1918 pandemic. .25% death rate with 2020 technology and the ability to develop vaccines in months not withstanding, this could have been soooo much worse. Deaths from the regular flu are down 33% from the pre pandemic year due to pandemic mitigation efforts too.
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Post by spudbeaver on Apr 15, 2021 10:08:09 GMT -8
Of course, I have been to Goss, Reser, and Gill. Like I told Spud the other day in a different thread, you are arguing with an imaginary foe—you attribute so much to me that I haven’t said. And your image of me is ridiculous. So you aren’t addressing me; you are addressing some media-fed image of what you think a person who supports the government is like. I know it’s contrived that way. You are too careful of a writer not to have planned it. Say that he’s condescending. Say that he thinks we are knuckleheads. Paint him as a radical, a yuppie, a tree-hugger, a clown. Suggest that he isn’t much of a fan because he probably doesn’t go to watch the Beavs in person. Everyone will laugh. No need to take it seriously. It’s unfortunate. I am often a knucklehead. I once accidentally drunkenly poured booze all over my aunt at her son's wedding. I once ran out of money and had to hitch a ride from a very nice first generation American in Northeastern Pennsylvania. I once missed a flight in Philadelphia, because I just had to buy a sandwich and had to stay an extra night. I once got stuck on a freeway on a mountain pass in a blizzard and had to sleep in my car. You have the right to believe that I am a knucklehead. But I have the right to eat gas station sandwiches or drive through a blizzard or to eat street food in Northern Mexico or go bungee jumping in Africa. I have the right to fly across the country three across in coach during a pandemic six times. And, whether I am a knucklehead or not and whether someone else knows better or not, I sure as heck should have the right to go to a ballgame during a pandemic with a bunch of other knuckleheads. I was trying to speak more to ya'll, rather than you, because I sure as heck don't believe that you are a radical, yuppie or a clown. (You might be, but I don't believe it.) I don't know enough about you being a tree-hugger, but I have always been a fan of florae and their ability to turn carbon dioxide into oxygen. The long and the short of it is I appreciate your Beaver fandom and your insightful sportsball posts. And go Beavs! Ha! I just saw my screen name in the reply, but I don't see any of their posts. I blocked them about a year ago. It's been a great decision for me. Made the board enjoyable for me again. You can see when others quote a blocked poster, but not when they post. Solid feature. |
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