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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 24, 2021 11:47:12 GMT -8
I get that aspect, but good programs overcome that kind of issue. College baseball is about developing talent anyway, cuz the cream of the crop typically go straight to the draft.....I mean unless you are Vandy, or a select few others, who somehow lure kids to come to college, who would normally go pro. The coaching changes, along with the "come down" from a stacked team makes sense to a point.....so then we look at development of players, or recruiting misses....has our coaching staff been below average in their assessments, especially for hitters, to get to this point? Or is the staff not developing the kids to become better hitters? Will this change as the season goes on? I just think it's interesting that this started getting brought up in 2019 when Bailey took over as head coach and a lot of people were blaming him. Yet, Bailes was the primary hitting coach for the previous years under Casey. People seemed to gloss over the fact that we had lost numerous top round draft picks. Talent was the issue, not coaching. Coaching was an issue. Injuries were another issue. Talent was not an issue in 2019. Coaching and injuries were 99% of the reason that Oregon State was not more successful in 2019. Bailes wanted to try and make the team something that they were not. Tyler Malone's gawdawful swing, Ryan Ober doing his damnedest to impersonate a first baseman, bad positioning in the outfield and lineups built to fail had absolutely nothing to do with talent. Sprinkle in a bunch of very poorly-timed injuries. There were a lot of headwinds in 2019, but talent was not the issue IMO. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 24, 2021 12:32:57 GMT -8
I just think it's interesting that this started getting brought up in 2019 when Bailey took over as head coach and a lot of people were blaming him. Yet, Bailes was the primary hitting coach for the previous years under Casey. People seemed to gloss over the fact that we had lost numerous top round draft picks. Talent was the issue, not coaching. Coaching was an issue. Injuries were another issue. Talent was not an issue in 2019. Coaching and injuries were 99% of the reason that Oregon State was not more successful in 2019. Bailes wanted to try and make the team something that they were not. Tyler Malone's gawdawful swing, Ryan Ober doing his damnedest to impersonate a first baseman, bad positioning in the outfield and lineups built to fail had absolutely nothing to do with talent. Sprinkle in a bunch of very poorly-timed injuries. There were a lot of headwinds in 2019, but talent was not the issue IMO. Losing 5 players drafted in the top 10 rounds and another pitcher with 1st round talent (that wasn't picked for other reasons) and you say talent wasn't an issue? There were no bats left other than Adley on that team. Talent was a huge issue. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 24, 2021 12:54:30 GMT -8
Coaching was an issue. Injuries were another issue. Talent was not an issue in 2019. Coaching and injuries were 99% of the reason that Oregon State was not more successful in 2019. Bailes wanted to try and make the team something that they were not. Tyler Malone's gawdawful swing, Ryan Ober doing his damnedest to impersonate a first baseman, bad positioning in the outfield and lineups built to fail had absolutely nothing to do with talent. Sprinkle in a bunch of very poorly-timed injuries. There were a lot of headwinds in 2019, but talent was not the issue IMO. Losing 5 players drafted in the top 10 rounds and another pitcher with 1st round talent (that wasn't picked for other reasons) and you say talent wasn't an issue? There were no bats left other than Adley on that team. Talent was a huge issue. Tyler Malone was a big bat that was left over. Only someone monkeyed with his swing in the offseason, which worked to silence his bat. Oregon State had a better slugging percentage than the 2013 College World Series team or the 2014 #1 overall seed team. The 2019 Beavers had better pitching numbers than in 2006, 2007 or 2018. What went wrong? Bailes could not translate the pieces that he had into runs. Several runners left on base in 2019. And the pitching, with the help of some players playing out of position, was not quite good enough to consistently bail out the offense. If Bailes had not trotted out a beat-up Ober to cover first base in the Corvallis Regional or had tried to develop a lineup that could actually generate runs, I still think that the 2019 team had the pieces to be special. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 24, 2021 13:08:16 GMT -8
Losing 5 players drafted in the top 10 rounds and another pitcher with 1st round talent (that wasn't picked for other reasons) and you say talent wasn't an issue? There were no bats left other than Adley on that team. Talent was a huge issue. Tyler Malone was a big bat that was left over. Only someone monkeyed with his swing in the offseason, which worked to silence his bat. Oregon State had a better slugging percentage than the 2013 College World Series team or the 2014 #1 overall seed team. The 2019 Beavers had better pitching numbers than in 2006, 2007 or 2018. What went wrong? Bailes could not translate the pieces that he had into runs. Several runners left on base in 2019. And the pitching, with the help of some players playing out of position, was not quite good enough to consistently bail out the offense. If Bailes had not trotted out a beat-up Ober to cover first base in the Corvallis Regional or had tried to develop a lineup that could actually generate runs, I still think that the 2019 team had the pieces to be special. Laughable. Tyler Malone was a big bat? The guy that had a .278 BA the year before was a big bat? I don't think anyone changed his swing. He just hit a few homers in 2018 and thought he should try and hit one every at bat in 2019. You can pull what ever stats you like to make you feel better. They had a higher slugging number that year, because Adley slugged .751. .392 slugging percentage as a team compared to .488 the year before is a huge drop. No one other than Adley was above .500 in slugging percentage in 2019. The pitching was not bad in 2019, but the bats were not good (other than Adley) |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 24, 2021 14:27:39 GMT -8
Tyler Malone was a big bat that was left over. Only someone monkeyed with his swing in the offseason, which worked to silence his bat. Oregon State had a better slugging percentage than the 2013 College World Series team or the 2014 #1 overall seed team. The 2019 Beavers had better pitching numbers than in 2006, 2007 or 2018. What went wrong? Bailes could not translate the pieces that he had into runs. Several runners left on base in 2019. And the pitching, with the help of some players playing out of position, was not quite good enough to consistently bail out the offense. If Bailes had not trotted out a beat-up Ober to cover first base in the Corvallis Regional or had tried to develop a lineup that could actually generate runs, I still think that the 2019 team had the pieces to be special. Laughable. Tyler Malone was a big bat? The guy that had a .278 BA the year before was a big bat? I don't think anyone changed his swing. He just hit a few homers in 2018 and thought he should try and hit one every at bat in 2019. You can pull what ever stats you like to make you feel better. They had a higher slugging number that year, because Adley slugged .751. .392 slugging percentage as a team compared to .488 the year before is a huge drop. No one other than Adley was above .500 in slugging percentage in 2019. The pitching was not bad in 2019, but the bats were not good (other than Adley) Whoa! Did you watch the team in 2018, or did you just wake up to heckle the 2019 team? You know, Oregon State won a National Championship. Tyler Malone was 7/23 with three home runs, four runs and eight RBI. Malone also finished first in home runs. He was also third in RBI behind Rutschman and Trevor Larnach and third in total bases. Plus he finished tied for most walks. Of players with at least two at bats, Malone finished second in slugging behind only Rutschman and second in on-base percentage behind Rutschman again. Malone was literally on the All-Tournament Team. The only other Oregon State players on the team were Kevin Abel, Cadyn Grenier, Trevor Larnach and Rutschman. I mean, you watched some of those games, right? Laugh all you want; you are wrong. On the 2018 season, Malone finished third on the team in home runs behind Larnach and Rutschman. Of players with at least 30 at bats, he was fifth in slugging behind Larnach, Rutschman, Nobach and Madrigal. Malone had a big bat. Outside of Rutschman, he had the biggest returning bat in 2019. And instead, Malone completely switched up his swing between 2018 and 2019 to try and stop being a pull-ball hitter and try to be able to hit it to left every once in awhile with zero success. I refuse to believe that it was Malone just deciding to completely tear down his swing to studs and try to rebuild. Bad coaching no matter what. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 24, 2021 15:28:12 GMT -8
Laughable. Tyler Malone was a big bat? The guy that had a .278 BA the year before was a big bat? I don't think anyone changed his swing. He just hit a few homers in 2018 and thought he should try and hit one every at bat in 2019. You can pull what ever stats you like to make you feel better. They had a higher slugging number that year, because Adley slugged .751. .392 slugging percentage as a team compared to .488 the year before is a huge drop. No one other than Adley was above .500 in slugging percentage in 2019. The pitching was not bad in 2019, but the bats were not good (other than Adley) Whoa! Did you watch the team in 2018, or did you just wake up to heckle the 2019 team? You know, Oregon State won a National Championship. Tyler Malone was 7/23 with three home runs, four runs and eight RBI. Malone also finished first in home runs. He was also third in RBI behind Rutschman and Trevor Larnach and third in total bases. Plus he finished tied for most walks. Of players with at least two at bats, Malone finished second in slugging behind only Rutschman and second in on-base percentage behind Rutschman again. Malone was literally on the All-Tournament Team. The only other Oregon State players on the team were Kevin Abel, Cadyn Grenier, Trevor Larnach and Rutschman. I mean, you watched some of those games, right? Laugh all you want; you are wrong. On the 2018 season, Malone finished third on the team in home runs behind Larnach and Rutschman. Of players with at least 30 at bats, he was fifth in slugging behind Larnach, Rutschman, Nobach and Madrigal. Malone had a big bat. Outside of Rutschman, he had the biggest returning bat in 2019. And instead, Malone completely switched up his swing between 2018 and 2019 to try and stop being a pull-ball hitter and try to be able to hit it to left every once in awhile with zero success. I refuse to believe that it was Malone just deciding to completely tear down his swing to studs and try to rebuild. Bad coaching no matter what. Malone had two good weeks, not a good year. He was 8th among regular position players in OBP for the year. I know you are in love with slugging percentage, but Malone was not a good overall hitter. FYI- I'm still laughing that you can't see the talent drop off. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Mar 24, 2021 16:17:54 GMT -8
Malone had a great CWS. And Tuffy Rhodes once hit three homers on opening day. Didn't make him Babe Ruth.
I think Malone hit one homer in 2019, in the final game of the season. He then hit no homers in 20 games the ARL after signing with the Padres.
He had two great weeks in 2018 that overshadowed a pretty mediocre season.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 24, 2021 17:38:01 GMT -8
Whoa! Did you watch the team in 2018, or did you just wake up to heckle the 2019 team? You know, Oregon State won a National Championship. Tyler Malone was 7/23 with three home runs, four runs and eight RBI. Malone also finished first in home runs. He was also third in RBI behind Rutschman and Trevor Larnach and third in total bases. Plus he finished tied for most walks. Of players with at least two at bats, Malone finished second in slugging behind only Rutschman and second in on-base percentage behind Rutschman again. Malone was literally on the All-Tournament Team. The only other Oregon State players on the team were Kevin Abel, Cadyn Grenier, Trevor Larnach and Rutschman. I mean, you watched some of those games, right? Laugh all you want; you are wrong. On the 2018 season, Malone finished third on the team in home runs behind Larnach and Rutschman. Of players with at least 30 at bats, he was fifth in slugging behind Larnach, Rutschman, Nobach and Madrigal. Malone had a big bat. Outside of Rutschman, he had the biggest returning bat in 2019. And instead, Malone completely switched up his swing between 2018 and 2019 to try and stop being a pull-ball hitter and try to be able to hit it to left every once in awhile with zero success. I refuse to believe that it was Malone just deciding to completely tear down his swing to studs and try to rebuild. Bad coaching no matter what. Malone had two good weeks, not a good year. He was 8th among regular position players in OBP for the year. I know you are in love with slugging percentage, but Malone was not a good overall hitter. FYI- I'm still laughing that you can't see the talent drop off. I should point out that the all-time record for home runs in a College World Series is owned by Tyler Malone, and Malone did not start the first two games, including only logging one plate appearance in game one. Which two weeks are you referring to? Against Missouri State and Oregon in consecutive weekends, Malone was 8/19 with five home runs, a double, six runs and nine RBI. Neither Joe Casey nor Troy Claunch were regular starters, so I am wondering how you figure that he was eighth in OBP. Also, to put it in perspective, his .405 OBP would have ranked fourth on the 2017 College World Series team behind Nick Madrigal, Steven Kwan and Trevor Larnach. It is also worth noting that Malone was only a sophomore in 2018. I recognize that there was an offensive talent drop off in 2019, but I will continue to maintain there was sufficient talent to avoid going 0-2 in the Corvallis Regional. Oregon State's problems in 2019 were primarily coaching and injuries. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 24, 2021 18:06:19 GMT -8
Malone had a great CWS. And Tuffy Rhodes once hit three homers on opening day. Didn't make him Babe Ruth. I think Malone hit one homer in 2019, in the final game of the season. He then hit no homers in 20 games the ARL after signing with the Padres. He had two great weeks in 2018 that overshadowed a pretty mediocre season. I would again assert that he had multiple two weekend periods, where he was great. After being robbed by a diving over-the-shoulder catch by the center fielder in the first inning, Malone homered in his second at bat in the penultimate game against Cincinnati. (Not the finale against Creighton.) Malone's home run pulled Oregon State to within two against Cincinnati. Kyler McMcahan hit his only homer of the year in the fifth to pull within one. Malone then singled but was stranded at third after Alex McGarry and Beau Philip each grounded out. Cincinnati tacked on two runs in the sixth, the second after Ryan Ober dropped a foul ball to keep the sixth inning alive. McMahan started things off in the seventh, getting hit by a pitch. Malone moved him to second on a walk. McGarry singled through the left side to load the bases. Cincinnati then foolishly walked Rutschman to drive in a run and load the bases for Philip, who struck out. Zak Taylor then hit a two-run double to tie the game at five. Joe Casey popped it up to left. And then Andy Armstrong put Oregon State ahead with a clutch two-out base hit. The Beavers almost got out of the eighth with the lead, but the Cincinnati runner just beat out a double-play ball to drive in the runner from third. Cincinnati took the lead on a ninth inning triple and held on for the win. No home runs with the Padres, but he hit 11 singles, five doubles and a triple. He also started at five different positions for the Padres. Plus, his GO/AO is only 0.72. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 24, 2021 18:09:39 GMT -8
Malone had a great CWS. And Tuffy Rhodes once hit three homers on opening day. Didn't make him Babe Ruth. I think Malone hit one homer in 2019, in the final game of the season. He then hit no homers in 20 games the ARL after signing with the Padres. He had two great weeks in 2018 that overshadowed a pretty mediocre season. I would again assert that he had multiple two weekend periods, where he was great. After being robbed by a diving over-the-shoulder catch by the center fielder in the first inning, Malone homered in his second at bat in the penultimate game against Cincinnati. (Not the finale against Creighton.) Malone's home run pulled Oregon State to within two against Cincinnati. Kyler McMcahan hit his only homer of the year in the fifth to pull within one. Malone then singled but was stranded at third after Alex McGarry and Beau Philip each grounded out. Cincinnati tacked on two runs in the sixth, the second after Ryan Ober dropped a foul ball to keep the sixth inning alive. McMahan started things off in the seventh, getting hit by a pitch. Malone moved him to second on a walk. McGarry singled through the left side to load the bases. Cincinnati then foolishly walked Rutschman to drive in a run and load the bases for Philip, who struck out. Zak Taylor then hit a two-run double to tie the game at five. Joe Casey popped it up to left. And then Andy Armstrong put Oregon State ahead with a clutch two-out base hit. The Beavers almost got out of the eighth with the lead, but the Cincinnati runner just beat out a double-play ball to drive in the runner from third. Cincinnati took the lead on a ninth inning triple and held on for the win. No home runs with the Padres, but he hit 11 singles, five doubles and a triple. He also started at five different positions for the Padres. Plus, his GO/AO is only 0.72. Thanks, Tyler’s dad. I’m sorry the coaches convinced him to hit .213 his Junior year. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 24, 2021 19:14:38 GMT -8
I would again assert that he had multiple two weekend periods, where he was great. After being robbed by a diving over-the-shoulder catch by the center fielder in the first inning, Malone homered in his second at bat in the penultimate game against Cincinnati. (Not the finale against Creighton.) Malone's home run pulled Oregon State to within two against Cincinnati. Kyler McMcahan hit his only homer of the year in the fifth to pull within one. Malone then singled but was stranded at third after Alex McGarry and Beau Philip each grounded out. Cincinnati tacked on two runs in the sixth, the second after Ryan Ober dropped a foul ball to keep the sixth inning alive. McMahan started things off in the seventh, getting hit by a pitch. Malone moved him to second on a walk. McGarry singled through the left side to load the bases. Cincinnati then foolishly walked Rutschman to drive in a run and load the bases for Philip, who struck out. Zak Taylor then hit a two-run double to tie the game at five. Joe Casey popped it up to left. And then Andy Armstrong put Oregon State ahead with a clutch two-out base hit. The Beavers almost got out of the eighth with the lead, but the Cincinnati runner just beat out a double-play ball to drive in the runner from third. Cincinnati took the lead on a ninth inning triple and held on for the win. No home runs with the Padres, but he hit 11 singles, five doubles and a triple. He also started at five different positions for the Padres. Plus, his GO/AO is only 0.72. Thanks, Tyler’s dad. I’m sorry the coaches convinced him to hit .213 his Junior year. Me too. 9-0 Oregon State tonight. Four Beaver pitchers combined to throw a three-hitter. But in the end, Bailes quit, so I think it all worked out for the best.  |
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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 24, 2021 19:31:15 GMT -8
Thanks, Tyler’s dad. I’m sorry the coaches convinced him to hit .213 his Junior year. Me too. 9-0 Oregon State tonight. Four Beaver pitchers combined to throw a three-hitter. But in the end, Bailes quit, so I think it all worked out for the best. I’ll tell Bailes the next time I see him that he quit. He should probably have that info. |
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