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Post by irimi on Mar 15, 2021 17:40:54 GMT -8
That would indicate that our coaching staff is not developing talent. Or we have been recruiting poorly We are seeing the results of having stacked teams through 2018. It’s hard to recruit bats when you have entrenched position players that recruits will be stuck behind for 2-3 years. When all those players other than Adley left at the end of 2018, there was a huge drop off in talent with nobody to replace them This would make a lot of sense, especially for high caliber players who have multiple offers. Why wait behind first round draft picks when you could be getting in time on another team. |
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Post by grackle on Mar 16, 2021 6:56:42 GMT -8
I suspect that a LOT of our overly "defensive" ABs often center on a program-oriented attitude that "a walk is as good as a hit." 'Been the attitude around the program for a long time.
Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't......like this past weekend.
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Mar 16, 2021 7:16:40 GMT -8
That would indicate that our coaching staff is not developing talent. Or we have been recruiting poorly We are seeing the results of having stacked teams through 2018. It’s hard to recruit bats when you have entrenched position players that recruits will be stuck behind for 2-3 years. When all those players other than Adley left at the end of 2018, there was a huge drop off in talent with nobody to replace them I get that aspect, but good programs overcome that kind of issue. College baseball is about developing talent anyway, cuz the cream of the crop typically go straight to the draft.....I mean unless you are Vandy, or a select few others, who somehow lure kids to come to college, who would normally go pro. The coaching changes, along with the "come down" from a stacked team makes sense to a point.....so then we look at development of players, or recruiting misses....has our coaching staff been below average in their assessments, especially for hitters, to get to this point? Or is the staff not developing the kids to become better hitters? Will this change as the season goes on? |
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Post by shelby on Mar 16, 2021 7:31:37 GMT -8
Supposedly , we had invested in , and developed the kids using all of the most modern technologies available to baseball players at any level !
Quite frankly - looks like a horrible approach and a bad investment !
Need to kick start real time, not virtual, hitting clinics !
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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 16, 2021 8:11:16 GMT -8
We are seeing the results of having stacked teams through 2018. It’s hard to recruit bats when you have entrenched position players that recruits will be stuck behind for 2-3 years. When all those players other than Adley left at the end of 2018, there was a huge drop off in talent with nobody to replace them I get that aspect, but good programs overcome that kind of issue. College baseball is about developing talent anyway, cuz the cream of the crop typically go straight to the draft.....I mean unless you are Vandy, or a select few others, who somehow lure kids to come to college, who would normally go pro. The coaching changes, along with the "come down" from a stacked team makes sense to a point.....so then we look at development of players, or recruiting misses....has our coaching staff been below average in their assessments, especially for hitters, to get to this point? Or is the staff not developing the kids to become better hitters? Will this change as the season goes on? I just think it's interesting that this started getting brought up in 2019 when Bailey took over as head coach and a lot of people were blaming him. Yet, Bailes was the primary hitting coach for the previous years under Casey. People seemed to gloss over the fact that we had lost numerous top round draft picks. Talent was the issue, not coaching. |
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Post by irimi on Mar 16, 2021 10:30:00 GMT -8
I get that aspect, but good programs overcome that kind of issue. College baseball is about developing talent anyway, cuz the cream of the crop typically go straight to the draft.....I mean unless you are Vandy, or a select few others, who somehow lure kids to come to college, who would normally go pro. The coaching changes, along with the "come down" from a stacked team makes sense to a point.....so then we look at development of players, or recruiting misses....has our coaching staff been below average in their assessments, especially for hitters, to get to this point? Or is the staff not developing the kids to become better hitters? Will this change as the season goes on? I just think it's interesting that this started getting brought up in 2019 when Bailey took over as head coach and a lot of people were blaming him. Yet, Bailes was the primary hitting coach for the previous years under Casey. People seemed to gloss over the fact that we had lost numerous top round draft picks. Talent was the issue, not coaching. For me, the inconsistency is so frustrating. We see glimpses of what Ober and Claunch, for example, can do, but then we get long streaks of mediocrity or worse from them. I can’t explain it. I know streaks are a part of baseball but it sure would be nice to streak in the other direction. |
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Post by scythe on Mar 16, 2021 11:54:46 GMT -8
That would indicate that our coaching staff is not developing talent. Or we have been recruiting poorly We are seeing the results of having stacked teams through 2018. It’s hard to recruit bats when you have entrenched position players that recruits will be stuck behind for 2-3 years. When all those players other than Adley left at the end of 2018, there was a huge drop off in talent with nobody to replace them I would believe this except there are programs like Florida and LSU that attract top talent every year even with All-Americans on the roster. Player development has to be a factor. Developing skills leads to getting guys drafted and that helps a program. Having players making it in MLB is big. |
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Post by irimi on Mar 16, 2021 12:55:15 GMT -8
We are seeing the results of having stacked teams through 2018. It’s hard to recruit bats when you have entrenched position players that recruits will be stuck behind for 2-3 years. When all those players other than Adley left at the end of 2018, there was a huge drop off in talent with nobody to replace them I would believe this except there are programs like Florida and LSU that attract top talent every year even with All-Americans on the roster. Player development has to be a factor. Developing skills leads to getting guys drafted and that helps a program. Having players making it in MLB is big. But Corvallis isn’t Florida. Neither does OSU have the influence in the general area that LSU has. Don’t get me wrong. Our program has a reputation that attracts good ball players, but it takes a very special group to do what we did in 2017 and 2018. And that was 10 years after the last one. Two amazing years (2006 & 07) and ten years later two more (‘17 & ‘18). I think it will be sooner than 2017 for our next one, but I look at the program with orange colored glasses. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 16, 2021 12:56:50 GMT -8
We are seeing the results of having stacked teams through 2018. It’s hard to recruit bats when you have entrenched position players that recruits will be stuck behind for 2-3 years. When all those players other than Adley left at the end of 2018, there was a huge drop off in talent with nobody to replace them I would believe this except there are programs like Florida and LSU that attract top talent every year even with All-Americans on the roster. Player development has to be a factor. Developing skills leads to getting guys drafted and that helps a program. Having players making it in MLB is big. There's a lot more concentrated talent in the South, much like in Football. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 16, 2021 12:57:58 GMT -8
I would believe this except there are programs like Florida and LSU that attract top talent every year even with All-Americans on the roster. Player development has to be a factor. Developing skills leads to getting guys drafted and that helps a program. Having players making it in MLB is big. But Corvallis isn’t Florida. Neither does OSU have the influence in the general area that LSU has. Don’t get me wrong. Our program has a reputation that attracts good ball players, but it takes a very special group to do what we did in 2017 and 2018. And that was 10 years after the last one. Two amazing years (2006 & 07) and ten years later two more (‘17 & ‘18). I think it will be sooner than 2017 for our next one, but I look at the program with orange colored glasses. Do you own a Delorean? And if so, are you planning to kidnap a certain umpire? |
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Post by irimi on Mar 16, 2021 14:20:42 GMT -8
But Corvallis isn’t Florida. Neither does OSU have the influence in the general area that LSU has. Don’t get me wrong. Our program has a reputation that attracts good ball players, but it takes a very special group to do what we did in 2017 and 2018. And that was 10 years after the last one. Two amazing years (2006 & 07) and ten years later two more (‘17 & ‘18). I think it will be sooner than 2017 for our next one, but I look at the program with orange colored glasses. Do you own a Delorean? And if so, are you planning to kidnap a certain umpire? Great Scott! |
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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 16, 2021 14:23:12 GMT -8
Do you own a Delorean? And if so, are you planning to kidnap a certain umpire? Great Scott! On a side note, that umpire would not fit in your Delorean. |
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Post by cake on Mar 17, 2021 9:44:44 GMT -8
One of my old coaches said there were two basic approaches to hitting.
'I'm going to swing, unless it's a ball.'
vs
'If it's a strike, I'm going to swing.'
One is aggressive, one is passive. We're definitely in that passive mode. Some days, we're so passive it looks like we need to add 'I'm not going to swing' to the mix.
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Post by scythe on Mar 17, 2021 9:59:01 GMT -8
I would believe this except there are programs like Florida and LSU that attract top talent every year even with All-Americans on the roster. Player development has to be a factor. Developing skills leads to getting guys drafted and that helps a program. Having players making it in MLB is big. There's a lot more concentrated talent in the South, much like in Football. I agree the talent pool in the South is deep, but so is the pool on the West Coast. Coach Casey created a program that attracts great talent and is recognized nationally. It’s developing that talent that helps to continually attract the best. This is one reason schools put so much focus (and money) into training facilities. Putting young men in a position to play professionally is a big attraction. Just my two cents. And GO BEAVS! |
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Post by giantkillers83 on Mar 17, 2021 18:26:23 GMT -8
Need bat talent.
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