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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 12, 2021 22:06:41 GMT -8
Donald Trump is not the ideal candidate by any shake of the stick. But Hillary Clinton is and was worse. Basta! I like Joe Biden. If I could have voted just for him without having that vote throw the Senate to the Democrats, I probably would have. Whether it be the USSR or Nazi Germany or the United States President and Congress (whether Democrat or Republican), one party in charge of both the executive and legislative branches of government is almost never a desirable outcome. So, you think voting for Biden changed the Senate. I don’t think you get how voting works. ? I don't think [that] you get how voting works. Were you not a Political Science major? Oh well, at least you did not throw your money away like me. You vote for a ticket, not just for President. You cannot vote for Biden without voting for Harris and you cannot vote for Trump without voting for Pence. Because of the system, you could not vote just for Biden without voting for Vice-President. And because of the Vice-President's duel role as Vice-President and President of the Senate, you could not vote for Biden without voting for Democratic control of the Senate. Voting for Biden did not change the Senate, but voting for the Biden ticket changed the Senate. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 12, 2021 22:24:25 GMT -8
Donald Trump is not the ideal candidate by any shake of the stick. But Hillary Clinton is and was worse. Basta! I like Joe Biden. If I could have voted just for him without having that vote throw the Senate to the Democrats, I probably would have. Whether it be the USSR or Nazi Germany or the United States President and Congress (whether Democrat or Republican), one party in charge of both the executive and legislative branches of government is almost never a desirable outcome. RE: Trump v. Clinton I'd say that that depends on what you find desirable in a candidate for the presidency. Personally, I want my president to have above average intelligence, though I can see that a lot of Americans are intimidated by that (see Obama). I like to know that a president has an advanced understanding of civics and how the government works...maybe even law. I like to know that a president has had some public service and understand what it means to work for the people. I honestly don't know what qualifications voters saw in Trump. What did you see, Wilky? Personally, I want my President to have a basic understanding of economics. That is primary, when it comes to intelligence. Other types of intelligence are also preferable, but they pale in comparison to economic intelligence. Personally, I want my President to not be an out-of-touch political elite, who blithely talks about people losing their jobs in various industries as if her policies will not cause untold suffering to real flesh-and-blood American workers and their families. Personally, I want my President to not sell out America to America's greatest economic and political adversary, China, via TPP or through a close relative, say a son, selling influence. Personally, I want my President to renegotiate bad trade deals like NAFTA. Personally, I want my President to enforce the law. Personally, I want my President to fight to eliminate economic inequality, through great economic policy, rather than working to exacerbate it, by outsourcing American jobs to China and funneling even more money to other out-of-touch tech oligarchs, like the money that is being funneled by Biden's new "COVID Relief Bill" to Bill Gates, for example. We get $1,400.00, and Gates gets $4 billion, which is just great. I am glad that my tax dollars can help offset Gates' suffering through these trying times. |
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Post by irimi on Mar 12, 2021 22:52:37 GMT -8
RE: Trump v. Clinton I'd say that that depends on what you find desirable in a candidate for the presidency. Personally, I want my president to have above average intelligence, though I can see that a lot of Americans are intimidated by that (see Obama). I like to know that a president has an advanced understanding of civics and how the government works...maybe even law. I like to know that a president has had some public service and understand what it means to work for the people. I honestly don't know what qualifications voters saw in Trump. What did you see, Wilky? Personally, I want my President to have a basic understanding of economics. That is primary, when it comes to intelligence. Other types of intelligence are also preferable, but they pale in comparison to economic intelligence. Personally, I want my President to not be an out-of-touch political elite, who blithely talks about people losing their jobs in various industries as if her policies will not cause untold suffering to real flesh-and-blood American workers and their families. Personally, I want my President to not sell out America to America's greatest economic and political adversary, China, via TPP or through a close relative, say a son, selling influence. Personally, I want my President to renegotiate bad trade deals like NAFTA. Personally, I want my President to enforce the law. Personally, I want my President to fight to eliminate economic inequality, through great economic policy, rather than working to exacerbate it, by outsourcing American jobs to China and funneling even more money to other out-of-touch tech oligarchs, like the money that is being funneled by Biden's new "COVID Relief Bill" to Bill Gates, for example. We get $1,400.00, and Gates gets $4 billion, which is just great. I am glad that my tax dollars can help offset Gates' suffering through these trying times. Fascinating. Well, good luck with that because Trump really didn’t help the economic divide—pretty sure he wanted the opposite. As for China, no change there. As long as we have American companies over there getting rich, trade agreements won’t mean a thing. Enforcing the law? Like January 6th? Like unproven claims of a fraudulent election? Hmmm. Still, thanks for your response. Gives me something to think about. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 13, 2021 5:50:55 GMT -8
So, you think voting for Biden changed the Senate. I don’t think you get how voting works. ? I don't think [that] you get how voting works. Were you not a Political Science major? Oh well, at least you did not throw your money away like me. You vote for a ticket, not just for President. You cannot vote for Biden without voting for Harris and you cannot vote for Trump without voting for Pence. Because of the system, you could not vote just for Biden without voting for Vice-President. And because of the Vice-President's duel role as Vice-President and President of the Senate, you could not vote for Biden without voting for Democratic control of the Senate. Voting for Biden did not change the Senate, but voting for the Biden ticket changed the Senate. So, you knew exactly how every Senate race was going to turn out to result in a 50-50 split. You must be the smartest guy in the universe. |
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Post by ag87 on Mar 13, 2021 8:03:19 GMT -8
Not a chance in hell. Did you forget how badly he lost this year? Are you smoking gas? Arizona 10,457 votes
Georgia 11,779 votes
+Wisconsin 20,682 votes
= 42,918 votes
Biden won by 0.0027% of all votes cast nationwide in an election where the turnout was the highest since women got the vote.
Marijuana was legalized in Arizona in 2020 via proposition 207. That proposition won by 653,982 votes. And Biden still only won Arizona by 10,457 votes! With no Proposition 207 on the ballot in 2024, Trump probably wins by 90,000+ votes.
Georgia has already made changes to how elections will be conducted in 2022 and going forward.
Wisconsin's Supreme Court has held that the 2020 election and the way that the votes were counted in Wisconsin was unconstitutional, so the 2022 election will not be held in the manner in which it was conducted in 2020.
Further, Arizona, Colorado, Montana, North Carolina and Oregon all likely gain an electoral college vote in 2024. Florida probably gains two votes, and Texas probably gains three. Those seven states probably gain the electoral college votes from Alabama, California, Illinois, Michigan, Minnesota, New York, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island and West Virginia.
The electoral college was stacked toward the Democrats in 2020, which is why Biden winning by 0.0027% of the vote translated in 56.88%-43.12% electoral college victory. If 42,918 voters do not show up in 2024, Trump wins the electoral college 274-264. And that's excluding the other three states that were decided by fewer than 3% and also assuming that the Democrats can even put up Biden or someone, who is as centrist as he is.
No matter how many times you say your guy lost by 0.0027%, it will remain a lie. And you know better. Give or take 7 million popular votes and 306 electoral votes. Did law school and sending petty criminals to jail jaundice your eyes that much? |
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Post by irimi on Mar 13, 2021 8:40:31 GMT -8
Because the way for Republicans to win is to suppress the vote. And you tout this as a good thing? How do you, Wilky, not see through this? I'm shocked, actually. America is a global joke for what is perceived to be how lax Americans treat voting. Actually requiring people to present government-issued idea to vote happens literally everywhere else in the world. And outside of the pandemic, nowhere that treats voting seriously allows people to vote by mail. There are things that other countries do to increase turnout. But every country requires people to present valid identifications and requires most people to vote on a single day. (You have to literally be out of the country to vote by mail.) Results are almost invariably known that day with certainty. That is not suppressing vote. That is eliminating fraud and conducing an orderly election, where the results can be trusted. If you seriously made the rhetorical questions that you pose anywhere else in the world, you would be publicly ridiculed. The idea that eliminating fraud and ensuring that results are timely known is "voter suppression" is laughable on its face. No. I disagree. I very much doubt that you want to follow the way of the rest of the world. No other country in the world uses an electoral college, so hey, let's get rid of that, too! Then the Republican Party would finally have to listen to voices of the many, not just the wealthy and the racist.
Voting in Oregon (which is somewhere in the world) has been successfully done by mail-in ballot for more than 20 years. A generation. And it has been studied and found to be both secure and convenient.
If we are to be a democracy (of the people, for the people, by the people), then we certainly have to make changes in our election system. But the ones being made in Georgia are heading in the wrong direction.
Oh, it's easy for you or me to deal with showing ID. We (at least I) are white and more or less stable. But what about your grandfather who no longer drives? What about the young generation who don't want to drive. What about minorities who struggle with the language....(You know that the English is not the official language of the US, right?)
Remember when you were just a little Wilky and your dad used to tell you to put yourself in someone else's shoes and walk a mile before you judge? Whatever happened to that core value...respect, compassion, and empathy for others who may not have it so good?
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Post by Angus on Mar 13, 2021 17:39:21 GMT -8
America is a global joke for what is perceived to be how lax Americans treat voting. Actually requiring people to present government-issued idea to vote happens literally everywhere else in the world. And outside of the pandemic, nowhere that treats voting seriously allows people to vote by mail. There are things that other countries do to increase turnout. But every country requires people to present valid identifications and requires most people to vote on a single day. (You have to literally be out of the country to vote by mail.) Results are almost invariably known that day with certainty. That is not suppressing vote. That is eliminating fraud and conducing an orderly election, where the results can be trusted. If you seriously made the rhetorical questions that you pose anywhere else in the world, you would be publicly ridiculed. The idea that eliminating fraud and ensuring that results are timely known is "voter suppression" is laughable on its face. No. I disagree. I very much doubt that you want to follow the way of the rest of the world. No other country in the world uses an electoral college, so hey, let's get rid of that, too! Then the Republican Party would finally have to listen to voices of the many, not just the wealthy and the racist.
Voting in Oregon (which is somewhere in the world) has been successfully done by mail-in ballot for more than 20 years. A generation. And it has been studied and found to be both secure and convenient.
If we are to be a democracy (of the people, for the people, by the people), then we certainly have to make changes in our election system. But the ones being made in Georgia are heading in the wrong direction.
Oh, it's easy for you or me to deal with showing ID. We (at least I) are white and more or less stable. But what about your grandfather who no longer drives? What about the young generation who don't want to drive. What about minorities who struggle with the language....(You know that the English is not the official language of the US, right?)
Remember when you were just a little Wilky and your dad used to tell you to put yourself in someone else's shoes and walk a mile before you judge? Whatever happened to that core value...respect, compassion, and empathy for others who may not have it so good?
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Post by irimi on Mar 13, 2021 17:46:12 GMT -8
I very much doubt that you want to follow the way of the rest of the world. No other country in the world uses an electoral college, so hey, let's get rid of that, too! Then the Republican Party would finally have to listen to voices of the many, not just the wealthy and the racist.
Voting in Oregon (which is somewhere in the world) has been successfully done by mail-in ballot for more than 20 years. A generation. And it has been studied and found to be both secure and convenient.
If we are to be a democracy (of the people, for the people, by the people), then we certainly have to make changes in our election system. But the ones being made in Georgia are heading in the wrong direction.
Oh, it's easy for you or me to deal with showing ID. We (at least I) are white and more or less stable. But what about your grandfather who no longer drives? What about the young generation who don't want to drive. What about minorities who struggle with the language....(You know that the English is not the official language of the US, right?)
Remember when you were just a little Wilky and your dad used to tell you to put yourself in someone else's shoes and walk a mile before you judge? Whatever happened to that core value...respect, compassion, and empathy for others who may not have it so good?
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