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Post by bennyskid on Mar 4, 2021 16:08:16 GMT -8
Boy, that sure is going out on a limb to say that a national player-of-the-year is our all-time best. Clearly, Tres sucks in comparison - all he did was be named all-conference three years in a row. What a loser.
I wonder if anyone on the football board is putting down Sammie Stroughter because, you know, he wasn't as good as Brandin Cooks.
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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 4, 2021 16:14:12 GMT -8
Boy, that sure is going out on a limb to say that a national player-of-the-year is our all-time best. Clearly, Tres sucks in comparison - all he did was be named all-conference three years in a row. What a loser. I wonder if anyone on the football board is putting down Sammie Stroughter because, you know, he wasn't as good as Brandin Cooks. And Robb Thomas could run circles around both of them.....and Gary Payton.
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Post by speakthetruth on Mar 4, 2021 16:22:10 GMT -8
Boy, that sure is going out on a limb to say that a national player-of-the-year is our all-time best. Clearly, Tres sucks in comparison - all he did was be named all-conference three years in a row. What a loser. I wonder if anyone on the football board is putting down Sammie Stroughter because, you know, he wasn't as good as Brandin Cooks. I never said Tres sucked. He was a good player but when people compare some players to Payton well there is no comparison.
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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 4, 2021 16:32:26 GMT -8
Boy, that sure is going out on a limb to say that a national player-of-the-year is our all-time best. Clearly, Tres sucks in comparison - all he did was be named all-conference three years in a row. What a loser. I wonder if anyone on the football board is putting down Sammie Stroughter because, you know, he wasn't as good as Brandin Cooks. I never said Tres sucked. He was a good player but when people compare some players to Payton well there is no comparison. No one compared him to Payton. It was just noted that he eclipsed Payton's scoring record. No one was saying Tres was a better overall player than Payton.
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Post by mbabeav on Mar 4, 2021 17:04:10 GMT -8
I never said Tres sucked. He was a good player but when people compare some players to Payton well there is no comparison. No one compared him to Payton. It was just noted that he eclipsed Payton's scoring record. No one was saying Tres was a better overall player than Payton. Not many people are better than a HOF top 50 player of all time (as voted by sports writers as the cliche goes) - We talking apples to oranges, and Gary had a better supporting cast.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Mar 4, 2021 17:16:35 GMT -8
Records were made to be broken. Gary Payton held the record, playing in 120 games. Tres Tinkle got it in game 122. Just put an asterisk next to Tres' number. It works in the Majors. Nah on the asterisk. If GP doesn't lose to two double-digit seeds in the postseason as an upperclassman, he gets his 122 games as well. In 1989 Evansville was a fluke loss. They hit everything they threw up, the winning 3-pointer was a 30-footer. In 1990 Ball State was horribly underseeded as a # 12. It defeated Louisville in the next round and then lost by two points to UNLV in the Sweet 16. UNLV then crushed LMU by 30, beat Georgia Tech by 9 in the semis and then destroyed Duke by 30 in the finals. Ball State was the toughest game UNLV played in the entire NCAA tournament. We still should have beaten Ball State. That might be the worst-officiated game I've ever seen. Karl Anderson never touched McCurdy on that final shot. Charles McKinney missing the front end of a 1-and-1 when we were ahead in the final minute was crucial.
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Post by beaverstever on Mar 4, 2021 17:46:15 GMT -8
I will put it this way. Gary Payton would run circles around any player that has donned a beaver uniform since he left. If he had been on the team in the last four years including this year the beavs would have been to the big dance each year. I tend to agree, but I believe his son would have given him serious trouble in a defensive matchup. We also tend to remember the +60 pt GP, and not the guy that shot 25% and had 3 assists and 3 TOs in a NCAA tourney loss.
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Post by beaverinohio on Mar 5, 2021 8:23:51 GMT -8
Always fun to watch a Beavs win. This team has certainly outperformed expectations. Have to take your hat off to WT, staff and players. Are they a great team? No. Are they showing enough scrap, spunk and skills to make them fun to watch and root for? Hell yes. No idea what the team will be like next year, but plenty of time to consider that later. Just enjoy this team and hope they can continue to find success against UO and in the P12T.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 5, 2021 12:16:09 GMT -8
Boy, that sure is going out on a limb to say that a national player-of-the-year is our all-time best. Clearly, Tres sucks in comparison - all he did was be named all-conference three years in a row. What a loser. I wonder if anyone on the football board is putting down Sammie Stroughter because, you know, he wasn't as good as Brandin Cooks. And Robb Thomas could run circles around both of them.....and Gary Payton. Outside of maybe Adley Rutschman, Gary Payton was the best player at Oregon State, any sport since at least the 1960s.
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Post by seastape on Mar 5, 2021 20:48:49 GMT -8
No one compared him to Payton. It was just noted that he eclipsed Payton's scoring record. No one was saying Tres was a better overall player than Payton. Not many people are better than a HOF top 50 player of all time (as voted by sports writers as the cliche goes) - We talking apples to oranges, and Gary had a better supporting cast.I'm not entirely sure that I agree with that statement. Payton's teams were often described as "four guys and Gary Payton." Most of his years he had little to no big men that were of Pac 10 (then) quality. His freshman year he had Ortiz, who was good, but over the net few years he had Alibegovic who was the definitve European-style "big" man and Scott Haskin who was not developed by the time Payton graduated. Payton would've killed to have centers like Eubanks and Kelley. Even the guard play around Payton was good but not great, and Payton unqestionably made the supporting cast better. Knox vs Steven Thompson and Brantley vs. Ethan Thompson? I'll take the modern dudes but admittedly not by as much as the bigs.
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Post by seastape on Mar 5, 2021 21:00:02 GMT -8
I will put it this way. Gary Payton would run circles around any player that has donned a beaver uniform since he left. If he had been on the team in the last four years including this year the beavs would have been to the big dance each year. I tend to agree, but I believe his son would have given him serious trouble in a defensive matchup. We also tend to remember the +60 pt GP, and not the guy that shot 25% and had 3 assists and 3 TOs in a NCAA tourney loss. We can also just remember the GP who scored over 25/game and while dishing out over 8 assists/game, his senior year. We haven't had a guard who even sniffs 8 assists/game, much less backs it up with over 25 points/game, since GP Sr. left, have we? He was also in the top ten all-time steals leaders when he graduated and I don't think Jr. would have held up to Sr. in that matchup. Sr. also had 2 inches over Jr., I think.
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Post by ag87 on Mar 6, 2021 9:16:02 GMT -8
Not many people are better than a HOF top 50 player of all time (as voted by sports writers as the cliche goes) - We talking apples to oranges, and Gary had a better supporting cast.I'm not entirely sure that I agree with that statement. Payton's teams were often described as "four guys and Gary Payton." Most of his years he had little to no big men that were of Pac 10 (then) quality. His freshman year he had Ortiz, who was good, but over the net few years he had Alibegovic who was the definitve European-style "big" man and Scott Haskin who was not developed by the time Payton graduated. Payton would've killed to have centers like Eubanks and Kelley. Even the guard play around Payton was good but not great, and Payton unqestionably made the supporting cast better. Knox vs Steven Thompson and Brantley vs. Ethan Thompson? I'll take the modern dudes but admittedly not by as much as the bigs. Eric Knox 》 Stephen Thompson. That dude could defend and it didn't matter if it was a 6'8 guy. Also, I don't remember how much Haskin and GP overlapped, but I think Haskin was the 15th pick in the draft.
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Post by seastape on Mar 6, 2021 12:44:39 GMT -8
I'm not entirely sure that I agree with that statement. Payton's teams were often described as "four guys and Gary Payton." Most of his years he had little to no big men that were of Pac 10 (then) quality. His freshman year he had Ortiz, who was good, but over the net few years he had Alibegovic who was the definitve European-style "big" man and Scott Haskin who was not developed by the time Payton graduated. Payton would've killed to have centers like Eubanks and Kelley. Even the guard play around Payton was good but not great, and Payton unqestionably made the supporting cast better. Knox vs Steven Thompson and Brantley vs. Ethan Thompson? I'll take the modern dudes but admittedly not by as much as the bigs. Eric Knox 》 Stephen Thompson. That dude could defend and it didn't matter if it was a 6'8 guy. Also, I don't remember how much Haskin and GP overlapped, but I think Haskin was the 15th pick in the draft. I'll definitely admit that Knox may have been better than Stephen Thompson, although the only 6'8" guy Knox ever guarded was Leonard Taylor from Cal, whom Knox played with in high school and knew like the back of his hand. But yes, Knox was an excellent defender. I'm not sure if Knox was better than Ethan Thompson and I don't think Brantley was as good as either of the Thompsons.
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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 6, 2021 13:19:07 GMT -8
I'm not entirely sure that I agree with that statement. Payton's teams were often described as "four guys and Gary Payton." Most of his years he had little to no big men that were of Pac 10 (then) quality. His freshman year he had Ortiz, who was good, but over the net few years he had Alibegovic who was the definitve European-style "big" man and Scott Haskin who was not developed by the time Payton graduated. Payton would've killed to have centers like Eubanks and Kelley. Even the guard play around Payton was good but not great, and Payton unqestionably made the supporting cast better. Knox vs Steven Thompson and Brantley vs. Ethan Thompson? I'll take the modern dudes but admittedly not by as much as the bigs. Eric Knox 》 Stephen Thompson. That dude could defend and it didn't matter if it was a 6'8 guy. Also, I don't remember how much Haskin and GP overlapped, but I think Haskin was the 15th pick in the draft. Haskin was only a sophomore GP’s Senior year. His career didn’t really take off until his Junior season. GP had Earl Martin and Teo along with Brantley as his supporting cast that year. Knox was gone by then.
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Post by speakthetruth on Mar 6, 2021 13:31:23 GMT -8
Sidenote: Payton and teo as teammates had differences. Coach Miller knew of this. Miller had a team Christmas get together at his place. He knew Gary had a car and teo didn't. Miller told Payton to pick up teo on his way.
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