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Post by beaversproud on Feb 26, 2021 17:56:25 GMT -8
Does it cost, or make, money to be in the NIT? If it costs.. then maybe OSU has an outside chance. If you make money... then it's going to be very hard for OSU to get in to.
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Post by beaversproud on Feb 26, 2021 20:25:03 GMT -8
Yes, Arizona is out so the top 5 teams have byes in the first round. Beavs could move up to #5 if they win out and Stanford loses out (to us and to USC) Oregon State could also potentially win on tiebreakers with Stanford. In any scenario, however, Oregon State has to beat Stanford to win the #5 seed. Otherwise, the #6 seed is as high as Oregon State can finish. (Absent something weird.) If Oregon State beats Stanford and the two teams finish tied in the Pac-12, the tiebreaker would come down to whether Oregon, UCLA or USC finishes highest in the conference. If Oregon finishes ahead in the standings of both UCLA and USC, Oregon State would win the tiebreaker over Stanford. If UCLA finishes ahead in the standings of both Oregon and USC, Stanford would win the tiebreaker over Oregon State. If USC finishes ahead in the standings of both Oregon and UCLA, it would come down to whether USC beats Stanford or not. If USC beats Stanford, Oregon State would have the tiebreaker. If Stanford beats USC, USC becomes irrelevant to the tiebreaker. It would then boil down to whether Oregon or UCLA finish higher in the conference. At this point, absent UCLA or USC losing one of their final three games, I do not think that it is possible for Oregon, UCLA or USC to finish tied in the conference standings. If there is a tie, an entirely different set of tiebreakers come into play. It should also be noted that, because of the unbalanced schedule, Arizona State can pass Oregon State by winning out. In order to finish #5, Oregon State needs to win out and have Arizona State lose at least once. If Oregon State goes 2-1 and Stanford goes 0-2, Arizona State would be the #5 seed by going 3-1, because the Devils hold the three-way tiebreaker because of their four-point home win over Stanford. Thus, if Oregon State goes 2-1 and Stanford goes 0-2, the Beavers would need the Devils to lose at least twice, in order to be the #5 seed. And don't ask me what happens if Arizona gets tied up in any tiebreaking scenarios. As of right now, Oregon State is currently #6. Oregon State would be paired with California in the first round with the winner to play Oregon. The winner of that would play the Arizona State-Washington-USC winner. Easy on putting the cart before the horse old timer. Day by day game by game. We have to beat Stanford AT Stanford first. Maybe Lucas will have a good game like he did last year. I think he had a good game down there last year... .anyone? Also, now we have Silva back right? off of a hot game vs Cal!
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Post by beaverbeliever71 on Feb 26, 2021 21:26:10 GMT -8
Easy on putting the cart before the horse old timer. Day by day game by game. We have to beat Stanford AT Stanford first. Maybe Lucas will have a good game like he did last year. I think he had a good game down there last year... .anyone? Also, now we have Silva back right? off of a hot game vs Cal! Yes Lucas had what was his career high at the time with 21 points at Stanford last season.. ironically he passed that with 22 in the first game vs Stanford this season
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Feb 27, 2021 6:41:58 GMT -8
I'm hoping we win out, but do we really want a bye the first game of the league tournament? I don't know histically how well we've done with a bye compared to without one.
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Post by beaverbeliever71 on Feb 27, 2021 7:50:02 GMT -8
I'm hoping we win out, but do we really want a bye the first game of the league tournament? I don't know histically how well we've done with a bye compared to without one. If they get the bye OSU would be 5th and would play Colorado is currently 4th OSU is 0-2 vs Colorardo this season On the other hand if OSU stays where they are at and finish 6th they would get Cal in game 1, Oregon in game 2 and USC/ASU/Wash in 3rd game.. all teams OSU has beaten this season.. based on current standings as of today.. could change
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Post by skyrider on Feb 27, 2021 8:29:08 GMT -8
My observation is that OSU is receiving the maximum effort from the talent they have. That being said, the odds of them winning more than one game in the PAC 12 tournament appear to be really, really long.
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Post by osubeaver2018 on Feb 27, 2021 13:12:58 GMT -8
My observation is that OSU is receiving the maximum effort from the talent they have. That being said, the odds of them winning more than one game in the PAC 12 tournament appear to be really, really long.
I tend to agree. To win multiple games in the tournament we would have to see this team get hot shooting the ball for a few games straight. Which COULD happen with a condensed conference tournament schedule, but it's difficult to win 3, let alone 4 games in 4 days. This squad has seen 12 guys get minutes though this season, so the depth is there more than any other previous WT team to potentially have success in a conference tournament format. The key is avoiding the 8-9 game where we would miss a first round match-up with UW or Cal. Get the 6, 7, or maybe 5 seed for the best chance to win multiple games.
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Post by beaverbeliever71 on Feb 27, 2021 18:04:53 GMT -8
Easy on putting the cart before the horse old timer. Day by day game by game. We have to beat Stanford AT Stanford first. Maybe Lucas will have a good game like he did last year. I think he had a good game down there last year... .anyone? Also, now we have Silva back right? off of a hot game vs Cal! Good call on Lucas.. a career high 26 points.. the 3 highest scoring games of his career so far are vs Stanford.. don't know what is it about the Cardinal he doesn't like but I'll take it
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Post by osubeaver2018 on Feb 27, 2021 19:15:53 GMT -8
Easy on putting the cart before the horse old timer. Day by day game by game. We have to beat Stanford AT Stanford first. Maybe Lucas will have a good game like he did last year. I think he had a good game down there last year... .anyone? Also, now we have Silva back right? off of a hot game vs Cal! Good call on Lucas.. a career high 26 points.. the 3 highest scoring games of his career so far are vs Stanford.. don't know what is it about the Cardinal he doesn't like but I'll take it Kinda like Stevie against UW... Loved it today. Hopefully that's a sign of things to come for him these last few games.
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Post by beaversproud on Feb 27, 2021 19:39:03 GMT -8
I'm hoping we win out, but do we really want a bye the first game of the league tournament? I don't know histically how well we've done with a bye compared to without one. If they get the bye OSU would be 5th and would play Colorado is currently 4th OSU is 0-2 vs Colorardo this season On the other hand if OSU stays where they are at and finish 6th they would get Cal in game 1, Oregon in game 2 and USC/ASU/Wash in 3rd game.. all teams OSU has beaten this season.. based on current standings as of today.. could change I agree
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Feb 27, 2021 21:59:20 GMT -8
I'm hoping we win out, but do we really want a bye the first game of the league tournament? I don't know histically how well we've done with a bye compared to without one. I will ignore last year, because 2020 didn't happen. Of the 18 times that there was a Pac-10/12 Tournament involving byes, Oregon State had a bye 6 times and did not have a bye 12 times. Oregon State also was in two Pac-10 Tournaments without byes. The Beavers lost the opener once and won the other before losing in the Pac-12 Semifinal in the other. The only time Oregon State made it to the Pac-12 Championship Game, the Beavers started with a bye. Of the three times that Oregon State made it to a Pac-12 Semifinal Game, Oregon State had a bye twice and did not have a bye the other time. Oregon State has not won three Pac-12 Tournament games in a row ever. Oregon State has won two Tournament games in a row exactly twice in the 20 Pac-10/12 Tournaments. The Beavers made a final once after having a bye and a semifinal once after not having a bye. In the 8 Pac-10/12 Tournaments, where Oregon State was given a free pass to the quarterfinals, the Beavers made it to the semifinal three times and the final once. In the 12 Pac-10/12 Tournaments, where Oregon State started in the octofinals, the Beavers made it to one semifinal. The problem with the Pac-12 Tournament is having to win four games in four days. A related problem is having to win on day three against a team that has only played once. It is categorically easier to not have to win the first game and just slide into the quarterfinal. Oregon State would then have an advantage over any team playing its third game in three days. To put another way, there have been 22 Pac-12 Tournaments. Only two teams have won four games in four days. Every other Pac-12 Champion has won three. Having said that, both times that a team won four games in four days, it was the six-seed. The five-seed has only won once, but it was in a year that the five-seed only had to win three games in three days. A big reason why is that a five-seed has never beaten a one-seed in the Pac-12 Tournament.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Feb 28, 2021 7:50:06 GMT -8
Does it cost, or make, money to be in the NIT? If it costs.. then maybe OSU has an outside chance. If you make money... then it's going to be very hard for OSU to get in to. Schools make their money in the NIT on the home gate. So I'd say this year the NIT would be a money-loser for us, if we were selected and got a home game.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Feb 28, 2021 9:42:12 GMT -8
Does it cost, or make, money to be in the NIT? If it costs.. then maybe OSU has an outside chance. If you make money... then it's going to be very hard for OSU to get in to. Schools make their money in the NIT on the home gate. So I'd say this year the NIT would be a money-loser for us, if we were selected and got a home game. Schools make money on home gate. True. The NCAA reimburses the team for all expenses. Oregon State could turn a profit on road games. If they do move everything to one location, which is in no way official, there would be a profit, but it would probably be indirect, like a payment from the Pac-12. You still cannot put a price on the exposure to Oregon State, though.
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Post by beaversproud on Feb 28, 2021 15:44:00 GMT -8
Schools make their money in the NIT on the home gate. So I'd say this year the NIT would be a money-loser for us, if we were selected and got a home game. Schools make money on home gate. True. The NCAA reimburses the team for all expenses. Oregon State could turn a profit on road games. If they do move everything to one location, which is in no way official, there would be a profit, but it would probably be indirect, like a payment from the Pac-12. You still cannot put a price on the exposure to Oregon State, though. I don't think OSU would turn it down. I don't think other teams will turn it down either. For OSU, I believe it's win the PAC-12 tourney or bust.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Feb 28, 2021 17:32:51 GMT -8
Schools make money on home gate. True. The NCAA reimburses the team for all expenses. Oregon State could turn a profit on road games. If they do move everything to one location, which is in no way official, there would be a profit, but it would probably be indirect, like a payment from the Pac-12. You still cannot put a price on the exposure to Oregon State, though. I don't think OSU would turn it down. I don't think other teams will turn it down either. For OSU, I believe it's win the PAC-12 tourney or bust. Things can always change, but I think that an 11-9 conference record and Pac-12 Championship Game berth should put Oregon State in, win or lose. Winning the Pac-12 Tourney removes any doubt. Short of there, it is doubtful that the Beavers can get in. For the NIT, the Beavers should be in by winning more than they lose. That is an NIT-worthy resume, at least. Whether we get hosed again like in 2019 remains to be seen.
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