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Post by ochobeavo on Feb 26, 2021 9:41:00 GMT -8
I saw the P12 tournament is the P11 tournament this year. Is Arizona out of the mix? Haven't really been paying close attention.
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Post by Judge Smails on Feb 26, 2021 9:49:58 GMT -8
I saw the P12 tournament is the P11 tournament this year. Is Arizona out of the mix? Haven't really been paying close attention. Yes, Arizona is out so the top 5 teams have byes in the first round. Beavs could move up to #5 if they win out and Stanford loses out (to us and to USC)
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Post by bennysdentist on Feb 26, 2021 9:52:39 GMT -8
The main goal for any respectable college basketball program is to dance in the big dance in March. Recruiting, planning, and scheduling should always be done with an eye to building a resume for the NCAA tourney every year. Now, I am realistic enough to know that OSU won’t make it every year, but we need to try every year. I suppose the NIT is an ok fall back, but it should not be the goal.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Feb 26, 2021 10:24:02 GMT -8
The main goal for any respectable college basketball program is to dance in the big dance in March. Recruiting, planning, and scheduling should always be done with an eye to building a resume for the NCAA tourney every year. Now, I am realistic enough to know that OSU won’t make it every year, but we need to try every year. I suppose the NIT is an ok fall back, but it should not be the goal. So should the Beavers had refused to bother going to the NIT in 78/79 after only one tournament appearance of any type the previous 12/13 years? That NIT year set the Beavs up for a great run the following years. Not sure if they'd managed to have the kind of seasons they had later if they'd just mailed it in that season because they weren't going to make the NCAA tourney. Are you saying the team isn't trying to win every game in the league tournament so they can get into NCAA tournament? My guess is every fan here is hoping to win out, IT"S THE GOAL, but realistically, at just 12 and 11 for the season so far, odds are it won't happen. Absolutely nothing wrong with getting in the NIT unless the team is already a perpetual NCAA tournament team.
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Post by shelby on Feb 26, 2021 10:44:37 GMT -8
And as long as we don't have to PAYTO GO !
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Post by bennysdentist on Feb 26, 2021 10:52:52 GMT -8
The main goal for any respectable college basketball program is to dance in the big dance in March. Recruiting, planning, and scheduling should always be done with an eye to building a resume for the NCAA tourney every year. Now, I am realistic enough to know that OSU won’t make it every year, but we need to try every year. I suppose the NIT is an ok fall back, but it should not be the goal. So should the Beavers had refused to bother going to the NIT in 78/79 after only one tournament appearance of any type the previous 12/13 years? That NIT year set the Beavs up for a great run the following years. Not sure if they'd managed to have the kind of seasons they had later if they'd just mailed it in that season because they weren't going to make the NCAA tourney. Are you saying the team isn't trying to win every game in the league tournament so they can get into NCAA tournament? My guess is every fan here is hoping to win out, IT"S THE GOAL, but realistically, at just 12 and 11 for the season so far, odds are it won't happen. Absolutely nothing wrong with getting in the NIT unless the team is already a perpetual NCAA tournament team. You have clearly missed my point. I was at the 79 loss to Nevada at Gill. Not really sure how that game set up the following great era, but, anyway. I never said the players are not trying to win, it needs to be the program’s strategic goal every year to build a tourney resume. I didn’t say don’t play in the NIT, just aspire for something more.
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Post by OSUprof on Feb 26, 2021 11:32:42 GMT -8
The main goal for any respectable college basketball program is to dance in the big dance in March. Recruiting, planning, and scheduling should always be done with an eye to building a resume for the NCAA tourney every year. Now, I am realistic enough to know that OSU won’t make it every year, but we need to try every year. I suppose the NIT is an ok fall back, but it should not be the goal. This is a key statement. Let me rephrase in simpler terms - program goal is to get to NCAA, but NIT is an indicator that the program is competitive and making progress toward the goal.
Here's what a program looks when it is achieving the goal:
Here's what a program looks like when it is failing to achieve the goal:
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Post by beavs6 on Feb 26, 2021 11:35:47 GMT -8
The main goal for any respectable college basketball program is to dance in the big dance in March. Recruiting, planning, and scheduling should always be done with an eye to building a resume for the NCAA tourney every year. Now, I am realistic enough to know that OSU won’t make it every year, but we need to try every year. I suppose the NIT is an ok fall back, but it should not be the goal. So should the Beavers had refused to bother going to the NIT in 78/79 after only one tournament appearance of any type the previous 12/13 years? That NIT year set the Beavs up for a great run the following years. Not sure if they'd managed to have the kind of seasons they had later if they'd just mailed it in that season because they weren't going to make the NCAA tourney. Are you saying the team isn't trying to win every game in the league tournament so they can get into NCAA tournament? My guess is every fan here is hoping to win out, IT"S THE GOAL, but realistically, at just 12 and 11 for the season so far, odds are it won't happen. Absolutely nothing wrong with getting in the NIT unless the team is already a perpetual NCAA tournament team. I have no dog in the fight...other than the Beavs. The NCAA and NIT are completely different animals now vs 1979. To even begin a conversation let alone basis for an arguement without acknowledging that is well...drunk and stoopid.(Oh what? Really! Carry on)
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Post by alwaysorange on Feb 26, 2021 11:53:40 GMT -8
You'd think after this many years into the current coaching tenure we would be aiming for something bigger than the NIT.
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Post by Judge Smails on Feb 26, 2021 11:59:56 GMT -8
You'd think after this many years into the current coaching tenure we would be aiming for something bigger than the NIT. Geez people. Nobody said they were aiming for it. However, it would be a nice sign of the growth of the team to have any postseason.
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Post by alwaysorange on Feb 26, 2021 12:05:39 GMT -8
You'd think after this many years into the current coaching tenure we would be aiming for something bigger than the NIT. Geez people. Nobody said they were aiming for it. However, it would be a nice sign of the growth of the team to have any postseason. The nIT is what a program looks forward to in the 2nd or maybe 3rd year hell even the fourth year of a rebuilding program. At this stage the beavs are hoping for an invite to the nit. The nit should be called the not. As in not good enough.
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Post by diehardbeav on Feb 26, 2021 13:32:02 GMT -8
Geez people. Nobody said they were aiming for it. However, it would be a nice sign of the growth of the team to have any postseason. The nIT is what a program looks forward to in the 2nd or maybe 3rd year hell even the fourth year of a rebuilding program. At this stage the beavs are hoping for an invite to the nit. The nit should be called the not. As in not good enough. Based on the last 30 years, any post season invite is good enough.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Feb 26, 2021 14:09:03 GMT -8
I saw the P12 tournament is the P11 tournament this year. Is Arizona out of the mix? Haven't really been paying close attention. Arizona self-imposed a postseason tournament ban, which includes the Pac-12 Tournament.
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Post by Judge Smails on Feb 26, 2021 14:18:51 GMT -8
I saw the P12 tournament is the P11 tournament this year. Is Arizona out of the mix? Haven't really been paying close attention. Arizona self-imposed a postseason tournament ban, which includes the Pac-12 Tournament. They better get more sanctions than that when the NCAA is done. Sean Miller (who looks like a lost Belushi brother) should not still be coaching there.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Feb 26, 2021 14:37:16 GMT -8
I saw the P12 tournament is the P11 tournament this year. Is Arizona out of the mix? Haven't really been paying close attention. Yes, Arizona is out so the top 5 teams have byes in the first round. Beavs could move up to #5 if they win out and Stanford loses out (to us and to USC) Oregon State could also potentially win on tiebreakers with Stanford. In any scenario, however, Oregon State has to beat Stanford to win the #5 seed. Otherwise, the #6 seed is as high as Oregon State can finish. (Absent something weird.) If Oregon State beats Stanford and the two teams finish tied in the Pac-12, the tiebreaker would come down to whether Oregon, UCLA or USC finishes highest in the conference. If Oregon finishes ahead in the standings of both UCLA and USC, Oregon State would win the tiebreaker over Stanford. If UCLA finishes ahead in the standings of both Oregon and USC, Stanford would win the tiebreaker over Oregon State. If USC finishes ahead in the standings of both Oregon and UCLA, it would come down to whether USC beats Stanford or not. If USC beats Stanford, Oregon State would have the tiebreaker. If Stanford beats USC, USC becomes irrelevant to the tiebreaker. It would then boil down to whether Oregon or UCLA finish higher in the conference. At this point, absent UCLA or USC losing one of their final three games, I do not think that it is possible for Oregon, UCLA or USC to finish tied in the conference standings. If there is a tie, an entirely different set of tiebreakers come into play. It should also be noted that, because of the unbalanced schedule, Arizona State can pass Oregon State by winning out. In order to finish #5, Oregon State needs to win out and have Arizona State lose at least once. If Oregon State goes 2-1 and Stanford goes 0-2, Arizona State would be the #5 seed by going 3-1, because the Devils hold the three-way tiebreaker because of their four-point home win over Stanford. Thus, if Oregon State goes 2-1 and Stanford goes 0-2, the Beavers would need the Devils to lose at least twice, in order to be the #5 seed. And don't ask me what happens if Arizona gets tied up in any tiebreaking scenarios. As of right now, Oregon State is currently #6. Oregon State would be paired with California in the first round with the winner to play Oregon. The winner of that would play the Arizona State-Washington-USC winner.
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