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Post by 411500 on Feb 13, 2021 19:45:49 GMT -8
List three aspects of the game of basketball at which this year's team excels.
I'm very interested in what you have to say.
Now, if you really want to get cranky...here are aspects of the game the Beavs have, over the past 8 years, been very good at.
1. Rebounding
2. Defense
3. shooting
4. proper screen setting
5. pick and roll
6. excellent post play
7. back door cuts
8. team speed
This team is no where near the sum of its parts. A collection of good players that add up to a not good team.
I don't know what's missing. I don't know what's wrong. But it's something major.
And if you think it's related to Covid - don't even bother to go there. The Bubonic plague cannot explain what is wrong with this team.
GO BEAVS!!
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Post by sparty on Feb 13, 2021 19:52:21 GMT -8
Too early after this game to get into it but could be a combination of team chemistry and leadership? Sometimes it takes a change of players to fix that. Had enough tonight. Stay safe out there.
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Post by beaverwbb fan on Feb 13, 2021 20:01:29 GMT -8
Too early after this game to get into it but could be a combination of team chemistry and leadership? Sometimes it takes a change of players to fix that. Had enough tonight. Stay safe out there. Definitely don’t appear to be any chemistry issues. We move the ball well and are at the top of the conference in assists. I think Stanford is simply a more talented team. Better depth, two quick guards. A really good all-around player in Haley Jones. No excuse for the fourth quarter collapse, but we need to find a way to get production from that four position. Will Kennedy Brown provide that next year? Let’s hope. Hopefully next year will be better. |
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Post by babs on Feb 14, 2021 10:19:41 GMT -8
Too early after this game to get into it but could be a combination of team chemistry and leadership? Sometimes it takes a change of players to fix that. Had enough tonight. Stay safe out there. I feel the team lacked leadership this year. Here's hoping future teams have players who have the leadership skills that the team has enjoyed in the last few years. Go Beavs! |
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Post by qbeaver on Feb 14, 2021 11:17:42 GMT -8
Stanford is very...very talented against a team without Aquino(I know she hasn't played yet,but so gifted), Slocum,and Brown. The future looks bright for osu,but need to get healthy to reach our potential. Kampschroeder and Brown will help immensely. That being said,rebounding,a staple of Scott Rueck teams has to be back to normal for osu to be elite again.
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Post by bmoc on Feb 14, 2021 12:46:00 GMT -8
What I see missing the most is a player with grit, determination; a board crasher. Pivec, Weisner, Hanson, Hunter, Marchbanks. I've seen flashes of it in Goforth. I think Mikayla felt it was her duty to end up on the floor after every shot she took. To quote Mr. T: "I pity the fool" who would try to rip the ball out of her hands.
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Post by wbosh15 on Feb 16, 2021 8:49:25 GMT -8
List three aspects of the game of basketball at which this year's team excels. I'm very interested in what you have to say. Now, if you really want to get cranky...here are aspects of the game the Beavs have, over the past 8 years, been very good at. 1. Rebounding 2. Defense 3. shooting 4. proper screen setting 5. pick and roll 6. excellent post play 7. back door cuts 8. team speed This team is no where near the sum of its parts. A collection of good players that add up to a not good team. I don't know what's missing. I don't know what's wrong. But it's something major. And if you think it's related to Covid - don't even bother to go there. The Bubonic plague cannot explain what is wrong with this team. GO BEAVS!! I think the big places were this years team is much worse than the teams of the past is defense and rebounding. I think this is a good shooting team. The team speed I think is comparable to teams of the past, but you don't see it because they are playing 3 forwards against teams that are playing 4 guards. As far as post play, I think TJ is starting to get there as a back to the basket scorer. We actually haven't had a great post player since Marie graduated. Post play has improved. Aleah is not a natural pick and roll player, totally not her strength. Savanah and Sasha don't yet have the type of handle to run the pick and roll yet, but hopefully that will come. Here is the way we need to think of things, in order to be the type of team we want to be, we need WNBA talent in our Senior and Junior class every year. We are currently in a drought with our upper classman. I think the future is bright, but a couple of years of recruiting misses, especially the junior class, has put us behind. Also the last point on the COVID situation. I don't think you can dismiss that. The fact that you would have to just stop practicing for weeks at a time in the middle of a season is very tough on a team counting on contributions from so many first year players. Taking a week off out of the gym, then 2 practices before playing Stanford would not be easy for any team. It's not just missing games, it's the fact they can't practice as a team and I'm not even sure they can be in the facility during a pause. |
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Post by rmancarl on Feb 16, 2021 9:36:20 GMT -8
List three aspects of the game of basketball at which this year's team excels. I'm very interested in what you have to say. Now, if you really want to get cranky...here are aspects of the game the Beavs have, over the past 8 years, been very good at. 1. Rebounding 2. Defense 3. shooting 4. proper screen setting 5. pick and roll 6. excellent post play 7. back door cuts 8. team speed This team is no where near the sum of its parts. A collection of good players that add up to a not good team. I don't know what's missing. I don't know what's wrong. But it's something major. And if you think it's related to Covid - don't even bother to go there. The Bubonic plague cannot explain what is wrong with this team. GO BEAVS!! I'm not sure there are three aspects this team excels at. I would say shooting, in particular 3pt shooting is an overall strength. From your list, the other seven areas are lacking. Offensively, I only see one person (Sasha) who can get to the hoop successfully (and even her success reminds me a lot of Gary Payton as a freshman, who was amazing at getting to the hoop, but poor on converting). I think you can now throw Talia into the list of getting to the hoop, but it's a little too early to determine that for sure. Aleah, can only occasionally get to the hoop. the power forward can't drive to the hoop, the 3 spot can't get to the hoop, and the post is great at catching and shooting, but doesn't have the best of moves around the basket (although I'm seeing improvement). Next, you don't have a PF that is crashing the boards. In her Sophomore year, it looked like Taya was going to be a rebounding force, but she's taken a slight step back this season. When you don't have a Mik, who is following the ball everywhere, and you don't have a PF grabbing the boards, the rest of the team has to take on the responsibility to rebound, and I think they've just begun to learn that. Defense and lack of team speed probably go a bit hand in hand. If Talia were a bit more experienced I think you would see this team go small lineup with would probably help both team speed and defense, while probably not hurting rebounding much. Without Talia, there just isn't the talent to go small. As for Pick n Roll, screen setting, back door cuts, I think we have to remember in part the youth of this team, and the lack of playing together. Aleah and Taylor played together last season and Aleah and Taya had played together the year before, but Ellie and Sasha, and Taya, had never played with Taylor. The true talent on this team is young (not trying to take away from Aleah, or even Taya) Taylor, Sasha, Jelena, Talia, are all young. It's easy to say ignore Covid, but this team has played less games, and most likely had less practice time together than any team in the Pac-12. When you are young, or all new playing together, it's stuff like pick and roll, back door cuts, knowing when/where your teammates are going to be that make a big difference. Truthfully, I think the 'Major" problem with this team is that they have a bunch of 'minor' areas in which they don't excel. There is not really time for that to be totally corrected this season. I fully expect next season will be very different with the added year and additions of Greta and Kennedy. Some of the top talent will still be a little young, but the experience of playing together should be stronger. Hopefully they will actually have a summer to work together as well. |
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Post by 411500 on Feb 16, 2021 10:02:22 GMT -8
rmancarl - thanks for putting together a thoughtful response....
With this year's team I'm just too frustrated to put together a coherent explanation for their lack of performance on the court..So thanks for your ideas.
I'm vexed by the fact that Corosdale and Simmons have not matured into better players considering the strengths they had when they arrived. Corosdale was a star in the making at the end of her Frosh season, being a major factor in beating Tennessee and Baylor on the road...And she has been pretty much flat-lined since then....
At any rate, thanks for your comments.....
GO BEAVS.....
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Post by rmancarl on Feb 16, 2021 10:09:19 GMT -8
What I see missing the most is a player with grit, determination; a board crasher. Pivec, Weisner, Hanson, Hunter, Marchbanks. I've seen flashes of it in Goforth. I think Mikayla felt it was her duty to end up on the floor after every shot she took. To quote Mr. T: "I pity the fool" who would try to rip the ball out of her hands. I think bmoc's short post sums up much of the Beavers problems. I see that grit/determination in Sasha as well. I think it will rub off on the youth of this team. I'm still looking for a bright future! |
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Post by mbabeav on Feb 16, 2021 10:54:01 GMT -8
I'm going to put the blame (IMO) on the two long interruptions, and the lack of knowledge about who on the team might have actually had Covid, rather than just been in contact - sick players, especially with illnesses that can linger, take a while to get back into game shape, and meanwhile the team is not able to practice with a rotation it is planning on using. When the university president has to be called in to fill out the practice squad, you know that they are short for reasons other than just short-term isolations.
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Post by beaveragain on Feb 16, 2021 11:49:23 GMT -8
List three aspects of the game of basketball at which this year's team excels. I'm very interested in what you have to say. Now, if you really want to get cranky...here are aspects of the game the Beavs have, over the past 8 years, been very good at. 1. Rebounding 2. Defense 3. shooting 4. proper screen setting 5. pick and roll 6. excellent post play 7. back door cuts 8. team speed This team is no where near the sum of its parts. A collection of good players that add up to a not good team. I don't know what's missing. I don't know what's wrong. But it's something major. And if you think it's related to Covid - don't even bother to go there. The Bubonic plague cannot explain what is wrong with this team. GO BEAVS!! 1) Rebounding started really badly and was awful against WSU but it has improved and OSU is now 4th in the Pac-12. 2) Defense of the 3 line is a major problem but inside defense is great and only Stanford's doing better than OSU. 3) Shooting, The best at the 3 and 2nd at the 2. Seems good to me 4) Screens, yeah no one knows how to set a screen but they are learning. 5) Pick and roll? When have we ever done the pick and roll? Sure you have the right University? 6) Post? We have the best post in the Pac-12. No she's not perfect, but few of us are. 7) Back door cuts has never been a huge part of SR's offense that I'm aware of. 8) Team speed? When has OSU had Team speed? Smarts and anticipation (and a little speed) will beat speed every time. 9) You didn't add it but OSU has always been good at blocks and not fouling, this team is doing a good job at both this year. |
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Post by rmancarl on Feb 16, 2021 15:16:24 GMT -8
rmancarl - thanks for putting together a thoughtful response.... With this year's team I'm just too frustrated to put together a coherent explanation for their lack of performance on the court..So thanks for your ideas. I'm vexed by the fact that Corosdale and Simmons have not matured into better players considering the strengths they had when they arrived. Corosdale was a star in the making at the end of her Frosh season, being a major factor in beating Tennessee and Baylor on the road...And she has been pretty much flat-lined since then.... At any rate, thanks for your comments..... GO BEAVS..... 411500 I have a lot of respect for your opinions. I know we don't always agree, and I am sure your are right more often than I am. Corosdale has been a bit of a mystery. Great freshman campaign. She seemed to lose her 3pt shot her Sophomore year, but she picked up her rebounding, especially during Pac-12 play. I remember her comments at the end of her Sophomore season were that she was going to work on her inside game. Unfortunately, she had her injury, and whether it be the long lay off, I haven't seen much improvement on the inside game, and her rebounding is down a bit. Her 3pt shots have looked better this year though. Hopefully she will have that 'Kolbie' leap everyone talks about and be a star the next couple years. Jasmine has definitely improved her 3pt shooting, but we haven't seen a lot from the rest of her game. I do give her credit because SR has used her as the PG in some of the games this season while Aleah was resting. I wonder if with her it is just a matter of aggression. There have been some games this season where she was on the floor quite a few minutes and barely took a shot. Maybe she will learn that as well, and also take a 'Kolbie" leap. |
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Post by beaverwbb fan on Feb 16, 2021 16:32:35 GMT -8
Corosdale has been somewhat injury prone. The shoulder surgery one offseason and the hamstring last season.
She came in a stretch four who could also score inside and is now she pretty much only shoots threes. This squad badly needs more offense from the four position, but I don’t quite see Taya providing it.
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Post by beaverfever148 on Feb 16, 2021 16:48:16 GMT -8
Corosdale has been somewhat injury prone. The shoulder surgery one offseason and the hamstring last season. She came in a stretch four who could also score inside and is now she pretty much only shoots threes. This squad badly needs more offense from the four position, but I don’t quite see Taya providing it. I think we’re all hoping that for next season Kennedy will be fully recovered from injury and ready to go. If this is the case, she has the best shot at being able to fill the offensive void at the 4 position while boosting our rebounding and defense against bigs. I believe we were all hoping these things for Taya as well, but not to the same extent. Now if we are able to land a certain 2022 recruit, the team’s future at the 4 looks extremely bright. |
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