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Post by wbosh15 on Jan 8, 2021 9:24:11 GMT -8
Even if they return to the court, this entire season (for OSU and really the NCAA) is a bust. I hope this provides motivation for Aleah to stay on another year. We could use her next year with the incoming freshman guards, and, we will have Kennedy back. Next season looks a whole lot more promising. Right now, espn's WCBB 64-team bracket doesn't have OSU playing in the tournament--OUCH! I would be shocked if Aleah doesn't come back. Her best friend will still be here (Taya). She LOVES Oregon State, and if you love basketball and don't have WNBA talent, there is NO better place to play than in the Pac-12. Some of the other seniors I'm not as sure about, but Aleah I think will certainly be back.
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Post by beavsteve on Jan 8, 2021 10:08:58 GMT -8
Even if they return to the court, this entire season (for OSU and really the NCAA) is a bust. I hope this provides motivation for Aleah to stay on another year. We could use her next year with the incoming freshman guards, and, we will have Kennedy back. Next season looks a whole lot more promising. Right now, espn's WCBB 64-team bracket doesn't have OSU playing in the tournament--OUCH! I would be shocked if Aleah doesn't come back. Her best friend will still be here (Taya). She LOVES Oregon State, and if you love basketball and don't have WNBA talent, there is NO better place to play than in the Pac-12. Some of the other seniors I'm not as sure about, but Aleah I think will certainly be back. I'd love to see her come back and help Talia come up to speed at point guard. Given that she wants to become a coach, that seems like it would be another motivation to come back... even if it was as a GA or as a player-coach with less playing time.
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Post by sparty on Jan 8, 2021 10:58:48 GMT -8
I don't subscribe to oregonlive but they have a headline that reads: With COVID-19 running through Oregon State’s basketball programs, is the time coming to consider shutting down the season? Here is Nick Daschel's article that you are referring to: At what point does Oregon State basketball say, we fought the good fight, but basketball is finished for the 2020-21 season? In short, not yet. OSU athletic director Scott Barnes said Thursday the athletes will drive that decision, if it ever comes to that. It wouldn’t be an unprecedented move. The Duke women’s team ended its 2020-21 season after four games due to COVID-19. The Ivy League canceled all winter sports, including basketball. “If there’s ever a point where (playing) is not something that they want to do, then we’ll certainly listen to that,” Barnes said. Barnes is regularly in communication with coaches and player leaders. He said there is a student-athlete advisory meeting next Monday, and “we’ll be taking the temperature and seeing how they’re feeling.” There are financial implications to canceling a basketball season, particularly for the men. Teams must play at least 15 games to qualify for a slice of the Pac-12′s NCAA tournament revenue. To date, the Oregon State men have played nine games, the women six. Pac-12 men share regular-season television revenue, based on the number of games each team plays. If Oregon State has to cancel some games or the rest of its season, its share of the regular-season television revenue pool would shrink based on the number of games the Beavers played. There is virtually no regular-season television revenue in women’s basketball. They play most games on the Pac-12 Network for exposure. As for making up all OSU games that are postponed, Barnes said that’s more likely for the men than women because of scheduling flexibility. The men have fewer conference games — 20 vs. 22 — and an additional week of the season. Oregon State already has had five Pac-12 women’s games postponed, against Washington, UCLA, USC, California and Stanford. Barnes said he doesn’t foresee the Beavers successfully rescheduling all five games, but perhaps one or two. It’s also possible more postponements are on the horizon. Barnes said when the Pac-12 developed a 22-game women’s conference schedule, it was done with the thought that COVID-19 situations would cancel some games. The men have three postponed games in USC, Utah and Colorado. Barnes believes there’s a good chance of rescheduling those games, but again, more postponements are possible. Basketball is proving to be tougher to pull off than football on the COVID-19 front. It’s an indoor sport where the virus can linger. Plus, basketball’s roster size, which is 15 vs. football -- with more than 100 players -- allows for less flexibility. “As we’ve learned, one positive based on contact tracing can put the whole team out,” Barnes said. “It certainly is more challenging.” And the rest of the PAC-11 will play on. So would this affect future recruiting even.... who knows. And if March madness in a bubble is played as planned isn’t there some experience gained just experiencing that? Especially for the younger players. Decisions made now could have implications for years to come to get back to where they were at. If a player is down to a handful of schools and one of the teams is not on tv or even playing who has the better edge? Someone asked earlier on how the more populated areas and schools are doing it and that is a great question yet in a small town we can’t do as well? Ask Barnes about that.
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Post by wbosh15 on Jan 8, 2021 11:21:20 GMT -8
Half the games in the Pac-12 are not being played today, Washington just cancelled both of their games for next week, and Stanford just announced it will be without 3 players for their game against the Ducks. So maybe just relax a bit and know this season will continue to have games cancelled for everyone.
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Post by beaverwbb fan on Jan 8, 2021 11:48:50 GMT -8
Here is Nick Daschel's article that you are referring to: At what point does Oregon State basketball say, we fought the good fight, but basketball is finished for the 2020-21 season? In short, not yet. OSU athletic director Scott Barnes said Thursday the athletes will drive that decision, if it ever comes to that. It wouldn’t be an unprecedented move. The Duke women’s team ended its 2020-21 season after four games due to COVID-19. The Ivy League canceled all winter sports, including basketball. “If there’s ever a point where (playing) is not something that they want to do, then we’ll certainly listen to that,” Barnes said. Barnes is regularly in communication with coaches and player leaders. He said there is a student-athlete advisory meeting next Monday, and “we’ll be taking the temperature and seeing how they’re feeling.” There are financial implications to canceling a basketball season, particularly for the men. Teams must play at least 15 games to qualify for a slice of the Pac-12′s NCAA tournament revenue. To date, the Oregon State men have played nine games, the women six. Pac-12 men share regular-season television revenue, based on the number of games each team plays. If Oregon State has to cancel some games or the rest of its season, its share of the regular-season television revenue pool would shrink based on the number of games the Beavers played. There is virtually no regular-season television revenue in women’s basketball. They play most games on the Pac-12 Network for exposure. As for making up all OSU games that are postponed, Barnes said that’s more likely for the men than women because of scheduling flexibility. The men have fewer conference games — 20 vs. 22 — and an additional week of the season. Oregon State already has had five Pac-12 women’s games postponed, against Washington, UCLA, USC, California and Stanford. Barnes said he doesn’t foresee the Beavers successfully rescheduling all five games, but perhaps one or two. It’s also possible more postponements are on the horizon. Barnes said when the Pac-12 developed a 22-game women’s conference schedule, it was done with the thought that COVID-19 situations would cancel some games. The men have three postponed games in USC, Utah and Colorado. Barnes believes there’s a good chance of rescheduling those games, but again, more postponements are possible. Basketball is proving to be tougher to pull off than football on the COVID-19 front. It’s an indoor sport where the virus can linger. Plus, basketball’s roster size, which is 15 vs. football -- with more than 100 players -- allows for less flexibility. “As we’ve learned, one positive based on contact tracing can put the whole team out,” Barnes said. “It certainly is more challenging.” And the rest of the PAC-11 will play on. So would this affect future recruiting even.... who knows. And if March madness in a bubble is played as planned isn’t there some experience gained just experiencing that? Especially for the younger players. Decisions made now could have implications for years to come to get back to where they were at. If a player is down to a handful of schools and one of the teams is not on tv or even playing who has the better edge? Someone asked earlier on how the more populated areas and schools are doing it and that is a great question yet in a small town we can’t do as well? Ask Barnes about that. You consistently talk about how cancelling would affect recruiting/transfers. What is the correlation you see between those two? Duke, for instance, landed a highly coveted recruit and McDonald’s All-American transfer since shutting down.
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Post by rmancarl on Jan 8, 2021 12:37:28 GMT -8
Duke has already landed Shay Bollin the #6 ranked forward and Ashlon Jackson the #2 ranked guard for the class of 2022. If anything, their recruiting has improved. For the Beavs, they already have 2 highly ranked commits for 2022, so unless one of them changes their mind, the Beavs are already ahead of game for 2022 recruits.
If the Beavs do not finish in the top 25, and/or finish the season without much recognition, it would be a minor blow to their recognition among the younger girls. The Beavs have been a top team long enough now, that grade school girls are aware that the Beavs are top 20 every year.
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Post by sparty on Jan 8, 2021 13:26:44 GMT -8
And the rest of the PAC-11 will play on. So would this affect future recruiting even.... who knows. And if March madness in a bubble is played as planned isn’t there some experience gained just experiencing that? Especially for the younger players. Decisions made now could have implications for years to come to get back to where they were at. If a player is down to a handful of schools and one of the teams is not on tv or even playing who has the better edge? Someone asked earlier on how the more populated areas and schools are doing it and that is a great question yet in a small town we can’t do as well? Ask Barnes about that. You consistently talk about how cancelling would affect recruiting/transfers. What is the correlation you see between those two? Duke, for instance, landed a highly coveted recruit and McDonald’s All-American transfer since shutting down. You might be right. Maybe it makes no difference to a recruit. Good point but I would assume a recruit follows the teams they are interested in. Maybe it makes no difference but I would bet if it is not a wash it certainly does not help. Anyone with any thoughts on what recruits follow based o. Personal experiences?
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Post by shelby on Jan 8, 2021 14:21:50 GMT -8
Just watched the Stanford game with the lady sucks ... good game , even though Stanford was without three of their role players, they won by about 7 (70- 63?). I was seeing Cameron Brink for the first time, and wow - she is a long, very athletic, woman ! She runs well, is an excellent rebounder and his a nice touch from anywhere on the court ! Also got a chance to see Belibbi ( ? ) , and certainly see her potential , but, at this stage - I was not terribly impressed. Both teams are deep and the guy in the green uses his bench to the absolute maximum . I think that the way to beat either team includes tight, tight defense with no passing or shooting space and lay ups plus top of the key sharpshooting with rebounders in place . Did not seem that either team was great on their three's today !
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Post by lotrader on Jan 8, 2021 15:53:21 GMT -8
Stanford always place solid defense. And I will always place my bet on a great defensive team advancing further in a tournament vs a great offensive team. I had thought that Arkansas would have enough offensive power to overcome solid defensive teams this year, but, Arkansas is struggling against teams with better defenses. One of the reasons I enjoy OSU WBB is Scott Rueck's focus on defense.
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Post by bvrbooster on Jan 8, 2021 18:18:44 GMT -8
I would be shocked if Aleah doesn't come back. Her best friend will still be here (Taya). She LOVES Oregon State, and if you love basketball and don't have WNBA talent, there is NO better place to play than in the Pac-12. Some of the other seniors I'm not as sure about, but Aleah I think will certainly be back. I'd love to see her come back and help Talia come up to speed at point guard. Given that she wants to become a coach, that seems like it would be another motivation to come back... even if it was as a GA or as a player-coach with less playing time. I've said before and will say it again - Aleah will be back. She's in the first year of a Masters program, wants to be a coach/educator, and doesn't have any delusions about hearing her name called in the WNBA draft. She won't want to go out like this, and next year she gets Greta, Talia, and Kennedy. Take it to the bank; she'll be back.
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Post by 411500 on Jan 8, 2021 19:22:24 GMT -8
bvrbooster -- good to hear..Love to see Aleah back in a Beaver uniform for one more year...
I just watched the U of O Stanford game for the 2nd time...I'll say this, as much as I don't want to - she'd better come back. Oregon and Stanford both have a roster of players at a skill level that is above and considerably beyond what the Beavs have on their current roster -- and also beyond what they will have on their roster next year...
Rueck better be as masterful of a coach as we think he is, because the Beavs will be competing against talent levels far beyond what they have seen in the past 10 years... GO BEAVS!!
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Post by Judge Smails on Jan 8, 2021 19:24:35 GMT -8
Stanford always place solid defense. And I will always place my bet on a great defensive team advancing further in a tournament vs a great offensive team. I had thought that Arkansas would have enough offensive power to overcome solid defensive teams this year, but, Arkansas is struggling against teams with better defenses. One of the reasons I enjoy OSU WBB is Scott Rueck's focus on defense. Well, then maybe you should take a year off. They play no defense this year.
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Post by jimbob on Jan 8, 2021 19:30:47 GMT -8
Stanford always place solid defense. And I will always place my bet on a great defensive team advancing further in a tournament vs a great offensive team. I had thought that Arkansas would have enough offensive power to overcome solid defensive teams this year, but, Arkansas is struggling against teams with better defenses. One of the reasons I enjoy OSU WBB is Scott Rueck's focus on defense. I'm with you on defense lotrader.....When I think of the great defensive teams in the Pac-12, Stanford, ASU, and OSU come to mind and they have had great success these past few years. I remember when SR first came to OSU and those 1st couple of years how is under-talented teams went out and upset some better teams sheerly on their suffocating defense, and then in recent years how that good defense allowed them to win many games when their offense struggled. But these last 2 years and especially this year so far I have not seen that suffocating defense that I remember from his earlier years. I've always gone into games these past few years even against tougher opponents thinking we've got a chance to win because of our defense, but not so much last year and not at all this year. I really hope the coach starts re-emphasizing that tough smothering defense first strategy again.....then they will be more fun to watch again....I just can't get too excited about watching them the way they are playing currently.
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Post by beaverwbb fan on Jan 8, 2021 20:00:42 GMT -8
I think Aleah recently switched from saying she was (something along the lines of) “schooled-out” and just taking gen-eds to going for her masters. I thought that was potentially a strong indication she might use that extra year, and then given how the season has gone it would make even more sense.
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Post by beaverwbb fan on Jan 8, 2021 20:10:13 GMT -8
Stanford always place solid defense. And I will always place my bet on a great defensive team advancing further in a tournament vs a great offensive team. I had thought that Arkansas would have enough offensive power to overcome solid defensive teams this year, but, Arkansas is struggling against teams with better defenses. One of the reasons I enjoy OSU WBB is Scott Rueck's focus on defense. Well, then maybe you should take a year off. They play no defense this year. And even in a year where we’ve been awful defensively, our defensive FG% is second in the Pac-12 at 35.8%. The areas where we have been awful defensively (and it shows in the stats) is 3FG% at 36.0% (last in the Pac-12) and rebounding margin of +0.2 (eighth in the Pac-12). There are definitely still some really good stats, but too many bad stats which have been the story of the season and the reason we have three losses.
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