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Post by beaveragain on Dec 20, 2020 11:48:48 GMT -8
Not sure how anybody expects this team to be better than last years. Was some body recruited or waiting in the wings to be as good as or better than Tudor? Nope. Slocum? Nope. Pivec? Nope. It's a bit early to say, but I think Sasha and Savannah are going to end up just fine. Comparing them to seniors seems a little odd. |
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Post by alwaysorange on Dec 20, 2020 11:55:55 GMT -8
Not sure how anybody expects this team to be better than last years. Was some body recruited or waiting in the wings to be as good as or better than Tudor? Nope. Slocum? Nope. Pivec? Nope. It's a bit early to say, but I think Sasha and Savannah are going to end up just fine. Comparing them to seniors seems a little odd. My point is there should have been some body on the roster to replace them. You shouldn't have to rely on a freshman to replace a senior |
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Post by norm on Dec 20, 2020 12:50:26 GMT -8
It's a bit early to say, but I think Sasha and Savannah are going to end up just fine. Comparing them to seniors seems a little odd. My point is there should have been some body on the roster to replace them. You shouldn't have to rely on a freshman to replace a senior This points directly to poor recruiting and the lack of development with Jas & Taya. |
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Post by nwhoopfan on Dec 20, 2020 13:05:29 GMT -8
Meanwhile Utah lost again to drop to 1-4 in conference. 3 of the losses have been by 17 or more points. How did the Beavs manage to lose that game?
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Post by beaveragain on Dec 20, 2020 13:06:36 GMT -8
My point is there should have been some body on the roster to replace them. You shouldn't have to rely on a freshman to replace a senior This points directly to poor recruiting and the lack of development with Jas & Taya. Taya has been hurt twice and still doesn't appear to be recovered from her last injury, and that has nothing to do with a "lack of development". Jas started off the year great and then SR hasn't played her. No idea why. And the other recruit with Jas is Andrea, who I think would be an all-american if she ever got to play. |
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Post by willtalk on Dec 20, 2020 14:30:40 GMT -8
People seem to forget that last years team lost 9 games. That included a four game losing streak. The conference is far stronger this season. This teams decline began long before this season started. It was partially because of injuris but also because of a change in offensive direction that now has to be corrected. People need to ask themselves when did this program begin to underachieve?
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Post by beavershoopsfan on Dec 20, 2020 14:48:27 GMT -8
People seem to forget that last years team lost 9 games. That included a four game losing streak. The conference is far stronger this season. This teams decline began long before this season started. It was partially because of injuris but also because of a change in offensive direction that now has to be corrected. People need to ask themselves when did this program begin to underachieve? The PAC-12 was actually stronger last season. Willtalk states definitively otherwise. He also stated many other things about the Beavs that haven't come to fruition. The Beavs will fall out of the Top 25. Willtalk's predictive analysis is once again flawed. At least he is consistent. |
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Post by willtalk on Dec 20, 2020 17:31:15 GMT -8
My point is there should have been some body on the roster to replace them. You shouldn't have to rely on a freshman to replace a senior This points directly to poor recruiting and the lack of development with Jas & Taya. It was not like Scott did not attempt to recruit a point guard. Recruitment sort runs in cycles. The odds of a point coming to Oregon St was somewhat diminished because it was not known if Slocum would still be here for her final year of elegibiltiy. The top players today want to know that they will not be sitting behind another player for even a year. Slocum was the starter and Goodman the backup point. Besides Oregon St. underachievement these last two years probably turned off some recruits. As too development. I don't know about where Jaz comes from but in the USA their is not much individual development left by the time the players get to college. They have spent years, even before going to high school, with individual trainers and playing on AAU teams. Most of the development left deal with learning to integrate their individual talents into a team concept. As Geno said. Most of the players know how and what to do, they just need to learn when. |
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Post by willtalk on Dec 20, 2020 17:50:02 GMT -8
People seem to forget that last years team lost 9 games. That included a four game losing streak. The conference is far stronger this season. This teams decline began long before this season started. It was partially because of injuris but also because of a change in offensive direction that now has to be corrected. People need to ask themselves when did this program begin to underachieve? The PAC-12 was actually stronger last season. Willtalk states definitively otherwise. He also stated many other things about the Beavs that haven't come to fruition. The Beavs will fall out of the Top 25. Willtalk's predictive analysis is once again flawed. At least he is consistent. Some teams are not as strong. For example UCLA seems to be weaker. But for the most part the recruits have bolstered most of the teams. Stanford is definately stronger. Even Oregon while losing three excellent players made up for it by an increase in high quality depth. USC once they get back their injured players will be much stronger than last year. Arizona is also much stronger via key additions. Colorado and Utah remain status quo and Cal is not as strong, but that is also due to they fact that they are playing and relying on freshmen. They will get better as the season wears on. That can be said for most of the teams.including Oregon St. In response to my predictions, I really made none. I only stated that the team was not hurt as much by the loss of Slocum as certain posters implied. I still stick by that. In fact I will go farther and say Oregon St would have been better off in the long run if Slocum had never transfered here to begin with. I think in time they will be a better team than the were at the end of the last two seasons. Oh and to give you something to complain about and use as an example that I know little about Oregon St. I will give you some thngs to correct. Pevik, Slowclom, Goodwin, Cruelish, Tooter, Goofourth. I am not sure because some people change their monekers so often, but you sound like the person who used to follow me around on other sites correcting my spelling. That was in lu of correcting what I stated in my posts. All because I said Pivec was understanably having problems adjusting to the PG position in her Soph season. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Dec 20, 2020 18:11:32 GMT -8
The PAC-12 was actually stronger last season. Willtalk states definitively otherwise. He also stated many other things about the Beavs that haven't come to fruition. The Beavs will fall out of the Top 25. Willtalk's predictive analysis is once again flawed. At least he is consistent. Some teams are not as strong. For example UCLA seems to be weaker. But for the most part the recruits have bolstered most of the teams. Stanford is definately stronger. Even Oregon while losing three excellent players made up for it by an increase in high quality depth. USC once they get back their injured players will be much stronger than last year. Arizona is also much stronger via key additions. Colorado and Utah remain status quo and Cal is not as strong, but that is also due to they fact that they are playing and relying on freshmen. They will get better as the season wears on. That can be said for most of the teams.including Oregon St. In response to my predictions, I really made none. I only stated that the team was not hurt as much by the loss of Slocum as certain posters implied. I still stick by that. In fact I will go farther and say Oregon St would have been better off in the long run if Slocum had never transfered here to begin with. I think in time they will be a better team than the were at the end of the last two seasons. Oh and to give you something to complain about and use as an example that I know little about Oregon St. I will give you some thngs to correct. Pevik, Slowclom, Goodwin, Cruelish, Tooter, Goofourth. I am not sure because some people change their monekers so often, but you sound like the person who used to follow me around on other sites correcting my spelling. That was in lu of correcting what I stated in my posts. All because I said Pivec was understanably having problems adjusting to the PG position in her Soph season. Good lord. Keep Destiny bashing. And Oregon has made up for losing a generational player and two other elite players? Really? This team is not good and has been passed by other teams in the league. Get used to it. Scott has his work cut out for him to get us back in the upper half of the PAC. His best days may already be behind him. And really, players don’t develop in college? I think Marie and Ruth would disagree with that statement. |
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Post by 2ndGenBeaver on Dec 20, 2020 19:22:15 GMT -8
Well, I posted here a while ago that I thought this team was still an upper half of the Pac-12 team.
I am not so sure after watching the first few Pac-12 games.
The Covid suspension is a gut punch, and pragmatically, might disrupt the growth this team needs, and was perhaps on track to find.
After watching this team through the SR era, I think part of his approach requires flow and continuity.
Flow like those overseas pre-season trips to ground the team every couple years, especially in seasons when newcomers will get major minutes.
Continuity like those early season games that we love to complain about against teams with seemingly 250+ RPI.
Flow like the newcomers (and veterans alike) staffing his summer camps and working out together some of/all summer.
None of that happened this year.
What did happen is we lost the most formidable rebounder we've ever had.....I will say I got used to some of things Mik did by way of rebounding, but now I realize how special she was by way of her uncanny "nose for the ball" and her "that ball is mine" attitude. Losing Destiny to transfer was also a blow. While we have penetrators, they are first year players, and they don't have Destiny's ability to consistently nail the high-pressure 3 or finish the drive. Kat's range and outside shooting would also be welcome. But enough about the departed - wish them well and move on.
I think most years we might take a step back but still do OK (top half Pac-12), but with the lack of flow and continuity, we are figuring things out now that would have gotten figured out while munching on lesser opponents where the outcome of the game was never in doubt, what was in doubt was what combinations and plays would work, and which would not.
Much harder to do that against Pac-12 foes, even if they are Utah.
Our recruiting relies on landing players that contribute, since we don't play the numbers game, and when enough players are injured or their development is delayed (for whatever reason) or an early departure occurs, it puts even more pressure on our numbers.....as a result, I think we are not reloading this year, but rebuilding.
And that is OK - we have more help coming, both as our injured players recover and from the recruiting ranks - but the Pac-12 has not stood still, and climbing back up the ladder is hard - especially since top level recruits want to be in the conversation for conference championships, go to the NCAAs and play for ranked teams......and I think some of these things are in jeopardy for us this year and might pose a challenge in recruiting a season or two from now.
Let's watch the players develop this year, and hope that continuity and flow can resume next summer.
In the meanwhile, I will just send hopeful, healing thoughts to our team as they grapple with bigger issues than a W-L record.
There are important things, and then there are really important things.
Go Beavers!
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Post by sparty on Dec 20, 2020 19:35:07 GMT -8
Interesting comments from the two split factions here. Those that think things are in decline and those that think nothing is wrong and things are just in a blip in the cycle. I think it is still too early to tell yet.
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Post by alwaysorange on Dec 20, 2020 20:06:12 GMT -8
Please quit using covid as an excuse as to why the women's team isn't where they should be. Every team in the nation has faced the same disruptions.
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Post by bvrbooster on Dec 20, 2020 21:35:34 GMT -8
This points directly to poor recruiting and the lack of development with Jas & Taya. It was not like Scott did not attempt to recruit a point guard. Recruitment sort runs in cycles. The odds of a point coming to Oregon St was somewhat diminished because it was not known if Slocum would still be here for her final year of elegibiltiy. The top players today want to know that they will not be sitting behind another player for even a year. Slocum was the starter and Goodman the backup point. Besides Oregon St. underachievement these last two years probably turned off some recruits. As too development. I don't know about where Jaz comes from but in the USA their is not much individual development left by the time the players get to college. They have spent years, even before going to high school, with individual trainers and playing on AAU teams. Most of the development left deal with learning to integrate their individual talents into a team concept. As Geno said. Most of the players know how and what to do, they just need to learn when. Can't agree with the statement that the top players don't like to sit for even a year, meaning they will opt to go to a school where they expect to start for four years. You were referencing point guards, so let's look at Stanford recruits in recent years listed as point guards by Hoopgurlz and their ranking by that service: 2015 Marta Sniezek 38 2016 Anna Wilson 42 2017 Kiana Williams 8 2018 Jenna Brown 18 2019 Hannah Jump 50 2020 Jana Van Gydenbeck 38 2021 Jzania Harriel 78 (downgraded from 52 by new ranking service) Seven years in a row, a top point guard |
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Post by beaveragain on Dec 20, 2020 22:20:09 GMT -8
It was not like Scott did not attempt to recruit a point guard. Recruitment sort runs in cycles. The odds of a point coming to Oregon St was somewhat diminished because it was not known if Slocum would still be here for her final year of elegibiltiy. The top players today want to know that they will not be sitting behind another player for even a year. Slocum was the starter and Goodman the backup point. Besides Oregon St. underachievement these last two years probably turned off some recruits. As too development. I don't know about where Jaz comes from but in the USA their is not much individual development left by the time the players get to college. They have spent years, even before going to high school, with individual trainers and playing on AAU teams. Most of the development left deal with learning to integrate their individual talents into a team concept. As Geno said. Most of the players know how and what to do, they just need to learn when. Can't agree with the statement that the top players don't like to sit for even a year, meaning they will opt to go to a school where they expect to start for four years. You were referencing point guards, so let's look at Stanford recruits in recent years listed as point guards by Hoopgurlz and their ranking by that service: 2015 Marta Sniezek 38 2016 Anna Wilson 42 2017 Kiana Williams 8 2018 Jenna Brown 18 2019 Hannah Jump 50 2020 Jana Van Gydenbeck 38 2021 Jzania Harriel 78 (downgraded from 52 by new ranking service) Seven years in a row, a top point guard I'd have to say that comparing Stanford and OSU isn't terribly realistic. UCLA got two top ranked PG's and the next year one transferred. A years tuition at Stanford is probably more than most women in the WNBA make per year. As good as Tara is they aren't staying because of her. |
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