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Post by Judge Smails on Dec 6, 2020 20:15:08 GMT -8
Vidic is OSU's leader in assists in one game (15), assists per game in a season (8.38) and career assists per game (7.0). So she obviously threw a lot more passes that ended up as baskets than ended up in the front row. So your memory isn't soo hot. She was a far, far better passer than any of the three players you mention and her assist numbers dwarf theirs. She was not a 3-point shooter, so she wisely took less than one 3-point shot per game. Instead did what a pure point guard does, get the ball in the hands of shooters in position to make baskets. mm She is tied for most assists in one game with Mercedes Fox-Griffin. She is not the outright leader |
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Post by Judge Smails on Dec 6, 2020 20:17:15 GMT -8
Weren't any good? They made the the NCAA tournament in all three of Vidic's years. Yes, Kostic was the star, just as Wiesner and Hamblin were the stars in Weise's first three years. But Kostic can't score without someone getting her the ball, which Vidic did better than any pure point guard in OSU history. . How’d they do in those tournaments? I thought we were elite now. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Dec 6, 2020 20:30:51 GMT -8
Vidic is OSU's leader in assists in one game (15), assists per game in a season (8.38) and career assists per game (7.0). So she obviously threw a lot more passes that ended up as baskets than ended up in the front row. So your memory isn't soo hot. She was a far, far better passer than any of the three players you mention and her assist numbers dwarf theirs. She was not a 3-point shooter, so she wisely took less than one 3-point shot per game. Instead did what a pure point guard does, get the ball in the hands of shooters in position to make baskets. And she averaged 8.0 ppg for her career. So she was a liability as a scorer for her 32 min per game career average. Sorry. I'd take Felicia (2001 Pac-10 POY), Sydney (4X All-Pac-12. 3X Pac-12 Champion) or Destiny (2X All-Pac-12 in 2 years) over Boky (1X All-Pac-10 in 3 years). If Boky is on the list, she's no higher than 4th. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Dec 6, 2020 20:31:33 GMT -8
Weren't any good? They made the the NCAA tournament in all three of Vidic's years. Yes, Kostic was the star, just as Wiesner and Hamblin were the stars in Weise's first three years. But Kostic can't score without someone getting her the ball, which Vidic did better than any pure point guard in OSU history. . Oh, so they have to be a "pure" point guard? I don't make that distinction. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Dec 6, 2020 20:44:53 GMT -8
"Liability as a scorer." Someone who averages eight points and seven assists per game accounts for 22 points from her position (it's impossible to know how many of her assists led to 3-pointers), plus however many points followed her 2.7 steals per game, is not a liability in any way.
Felicia Ragland was not even a point guard. Cherrith Wiersma (1999-2000) and Leilani Estavan (2001-2002) played point during Ragland's career.
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Post by Werebeaver on Dec 6, 2020 21:12:25 GMT -8
"Liability as a scorer." Someone who averages eight points and seven assists per game accounts for 22 points from her position (it's impossible to know how many of her assists led to 3-pointers), plus however many points followed her 2.7 steals per game, is not a liability in any way. Felicia Ragland was not even a point guard. Cherrith Wiersma (1999-2000) and Leilani Estavan (2001-2002) played point during Ragland's career. Well then if we go back to my earlier post where I say that Destiny is one of the top 3 point guards in OSU history and switch Boky for Felicia that would still have her in my top 3. Or how many other "pure" point guards would you put ahead of Destiny and Sydney in your top 3? BTW 2.7 successful steals doesn't chart how many unsuccessful steal attempts led to layups, made open shots or assists by the other team. There's obviously no way of knowing that, but if you're going after steals you're gonna be missing on some and creating some 5 on 4 opportunities for the other side. Destiny played solid against Baylor today. 14 pts, 7 reb, 1 TO in 28 minutes. Also kind of interesting that Arkansas won by 5 with only 5 total assists - to 24 for Baylor in their losing effort. That did surprise me. |
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Post by 76spirit on Dec 6, 2020 23:32:38 GMT -8
Looks like Arkansas could use an elite point guard to up their team assist level.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Dec 7, 2020 7:32:42 GMT -8
Looks like Arkansas could use an elite point guard to up their team assist level. Probably at some point they will. Teams with high assist-to-basket ratios are generally more successful in the long run. |
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Post by lefty on Dec 7, 2020 12:19:30 GMT -8
There are many things in being a successful PG. Many intangibles including being a team leader and having your teammates "backs" when needed. They need to be a "Sargent" on the floor and off. Its the person you can count on in the clutch. Putting your team first even over your own ego. Scoring is key even at PG. To me Destiny leaving would disqualify her in this conversation and the lack of being a offensive threat would put Vidic out. The handsdown best is Sid
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Post by bvrbooster on Dec 7, 2020 16:18:39 GMT -8
Vidic is before my time, so I can't comment on her. I'd take Syd over Destiny, however, for one simple reason - she had an amazing ability to, time after time, make a critical basket that just stuck a knife in the opponent's ribcage.
When you draw up your ideal point guard, the picture you wind up with doesn't look much like Syd. But she took teams with lesser overall talent and led them to loftier heights than Destiny did.
That's not at all a knock on Destiny, but, rather, high praise for Syd. More than anyone else, she made OSU an elite program.
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Post by beaverstever on Dec 7, 2020 19:46:55 GMT -8
I was in school with Vidic was there. Enjoyed watching her flare, but never have subsequently thought she was an all-timer. She was a flashy passer, but a lot of her assists were getting the ball to Kostic, who was a scoring machine inside, and positioned herself very well. My recollection of Aki's offense was that she had a lot of the offense route through Vidic, vs Rueck who expects assists to come from all positions. Honestly, I had forgotten about her until this post, as I only generally remembered it being the Anette and Tanya show.
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Post by nksuwu on Dec 9, 2020 14:14:17 GMT -8
Update on Destiny Slocum at #13 Arkansas (5-1): She has started all 6 games, of course, averaging 16.3ppg on 49% FG and 37% 3's, 3.8 rebounds, and 3.3 assists. They recently upset #4 Baylor. Arkansas is coached by former UW Husky women's coach Mike Neighbors, who coached Kelsey Plum and Ari McDonald (now star at Arizona) to the Final Four in 2016, the same year Lady Beavs were also there.
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Post by nwhoopfan on Dec 9, 2020 18:17:47 GMT -8
Update on Destiny Slocum at #13 Arkansas (5-1): She has started all 6 games, of course, averaging 16.3ppg on 49% FG and 37% 3's, 3.8 rebounds, and 3.3 assists. They recently upset #4 Baylor. Arkansas is coached by former UW Husky women's coach Mike Neighbors, who coached Kelsey Plum and Ari McDonald (now star at Arizona) to the Final Four in 2016, the same year Lady Beavs were also there. McDonald arrived the year after the Final 4. They had a better regular season when Aari was there (Plum's Sr. year), but couldn't recapture their magic run thru the Tourney.
Coincidentally Plum and another former Husky Chantel Osahor are on Neighbors' staff at Arkansas.
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Post by nksuwu on Dec 9, 2020 20:19:17 GMT -8
Nwhoopfan: thank you for clarification on McDonald.
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Post by beavdowg on Dec 10, 2020 11:24:28 GMT -8
Interesting that Plum couldn't make it in the WNBA. I'm assuming that's why she took an assistant job in college.
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