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Wyoming
Dec 6, 2020 19:49:35 GMT -8
Post by Werebeaver on Dec 6, 2020 19:49:35 GMT -8
sTINK-ball strikes again! Year 7....I give up, I just can't do it anymore. "Same as it ever was, same as it ever was" - Stop Making Sense. At this point, find a Pat Westhead protege and install the run and gun...since we can't install any kind of working motion or set offense, play any D, man or zone or even get the ball inside to our bigs on regular basis. The run and shoot solves all this...just recruit shooters and speed. Not a long term winning strategy (we don't have one now)...but highly entertaining. Maybe tomorrow, I'll find my hope for Beaver Basketball again. Sorry for my lamenting moment. Is Pat related to Paul? Pat is Paul's sister.
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Post by BeaverTailChaser on Dec 7, 2020 0:56:19 GMT -8
sTINK-ball strikes again! Year 7....I give up, I just can't do it anymore. "Same as it ever was, same as it ever was" - Stop Making Sense. At this point, find a Pat Westhead protege and install the run and gun...since we can't install any kind of working motion or set offense, play any D, man or zone or even get the ball inside to our bigs on regular basis. The run and shoot solves all this...just recruit shooters and speed. Not a long term winning strategy (we don't have one now)...but highly entertaining. Maybe tomorrow, I'll find my hope for Beaver Basketball again. Sorry for my lamenting moment. Is Pat related to Paul? Thanks Fudge Balls, for pointing out my Paul/Pat error....I sometimes goof up names.
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Post by nabeav on Dec 7, 2020 8:59:32 GMT -8
Bad, bad loss. I listened to the second half on the radio and watched the last five minutes on TV. Reichle's inbounds pass was terrible, but I'd have to watch a replay to see if anyone even made an attempt to get open, I've already covered what I think was a mistake by Lucas to check back when Calloo was already back. I saw someone hate on Ethan for missing a free throw late, but he was 10-12 from the line before that last shot and it actually worked in our favor because Alatishe got the board....and then doinked a 3 foot put back. I'm sad I missed the first half because it sounds like Gianni played very well...surprised he didn't start the second half based on that.
Bottom line, you're not going to win many games when you shoot 24% in the second half. That was the difference in the game. That, and giving up 40 points in the paint, which is almost double the total we gave up in the games against Cal (24) and Wazzu (22) combined.
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Post by beaverbeliever71 on Dec 7, 2020 9:13:53 GMT -8
Bad, bad loss. I listened to the second half on the radio and watched the last five minutes on TV. Reichle's inbounds pass was terrible, but I'd have Bottom line, you're not going to win many games when you shoot 24% in the second half. That was the difference in the game. That, and giving up 40 points in the paint, which is almost double the total we gave up in the games against Cal (24) and Wazzu (22) combined. 24% shooting is bad.. they only made 7 FG's in the 2nd Half and none in the last 5:46 of the game.. they had more TO's(10) than they made baskets in the 2nd Half.. not good
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Wyoming
Dec 7, 2020 11:32:47 GMT -8
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Post by beaverinohio on Dec 7, 2020 11:32:47 GMT -8
Wash St. got 3 votes in the latest AP poll. Should we expect to see Wyoming getting votes next week?
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Post by OSUprof on Dec 7, 2020 12:06:31 GMT -8
You are all just too hard on poor Wayne. He's on year 7 of a 15-year plan here at OSU - I mean that's what we gave Pat Casey before he did anything meaningful. Wayne deserves the same. Unlike Wayne, Pat Casey had great facilities and financial support of his program. Wayne has none of those advantages so it's way too early to judge him.
Wayne won 3 more conference games over a six-year period than that Craig Robinson fellow and thus he got more years on his contract than Robinson. In comparing Wayne to other coaches, it's always fair to throw out his worst season while not doing the same for the those being compared.
Can't you all see how much potential that Wayne has? His teams might not win every game but they do all the little things right - he's teaching his guys the fundamentals of the game and it shows. And these skills will translate to wins, not this year but maybe sometime in the next 5-6 years.
Coaching men's basketball is a lot harder than coaching women's basketball. Literally anyone can recruit top notch women to a place like Corvallis, but it's a tough sell for prospective men's players. Women are notorious for not caring about hot night spots, the lack of a warm and dry climate, and a close and convenient airport.
OSU fans expect too much of Wayne.
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Post by alwaysorange on Dec 7, 2020 12:16:59 GMT -8
You have to be blind to not see that tinkle has to go.
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Post by osuft3 on Dec 7, 2020 13:20:37 GMT -8
Or a tongue bulging a cheek.
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Post by babeav on Dec 7, 2020 13:42:36 GMT -8
ET is way too ball dominant, too much dribbling with others standing around. Give the PG spot to Hunt and we might have something if not another year of mediocrity. Tucker needs to start at the 5, Andela then Roman.....
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Post by osubeaver2018 on Dec 7, 2020 23:46:39 GMT -8
This is not meant as snark, but 2020 - 2021 looks like a repeat of so many recent Beaver Athletic Team seasons/scenarios: WBB and Baseball on board as established elite programs....FB and MBB repeat as struggling underdogs with (at best) perpetual (unrealized) potential, but no cigar...or even a cigarette?? Hard to understand why two major sports (WBB and Baseball) can consistently be anywhere between above average and outstanding, while two others continue to struggle. Is it the personalities of the respective coaches? Is it about $$ and facilities?? Is it about the "small town" Corvallis realities? Lastly, when will it end? Not sure I would call WBB or Baseball major sports when it comes to collegiate athletics. Both sports we consider major to us because we're good at them (elite at baseball other than last season), but on a national scale there just aren't that many people that care. There are only two real money makers at the collegiate level, MBB and Football. Comparing those two sports to any other program here is apples to oranges at best IMO.
I'd even argue that part of the reason we struggle in football and basketball is because we as a fan base, AD, university, etc. don't consider the two most prominent programs nationally important enough. We generally are content rooting for our smaller programs that are important in our local bubbles, which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but it doesn't help the two "major" programs. Whether it's right or wrong, eyeballs are on MBB and football, and we as a university and conference have fallen far down the pecking order in both because they simply mean less here than other parts of the country.
As a conference we don't have an NCAA championship that wasn't vacated in either MBB or Football this CENTURY. The last was the 1997 Arizona MBB team. For football, not since 1972!!! has there been an outright NCAA champion from the conference unless you count USC's vacated title in 2004. Then considering OSU doesn't have an outright conference title in either sport since 1990..... well yikes.
So to answer your question, I'm not sure it does end. We can continue to cycle coaches, players, ADs, etc... But until it actually matters to us as fans, as a conference, as an AD/university, it probably won't end and we'll have to be happy running a clean program and doing better off the field/court, celebrate mediocre seasons, and forget the atrocious ones. It's just the reality of major sports in the Pac-12 and at OSU.
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Post by beaverstever on Dec 8, 2020 11:19:34 GMT -8
Meanwhile, the conference keeps hanging its hat on being the Conference of Champions, continuing to grab up titles sports that many major universities don't even compete in. It's become a joke when our conference rarely wins ones that are broadly competed for.
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Post by beavs6 on Dec 8, 2020 12:04:39 GMT -8
Meanwhile, the conference keeps hanging its hat on being the Conference of Champions, continuing to grab up titles sports that many major universities don't even compete in. It's become a joke when our conference rarely wins ones that are broadly competed for. Agreed. Baseball titles are still fun!
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Wyoming
Dec 8, 2020 13:20:27 GMT -8
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Post by beavaristotle on Dec 8, 2020 13:20:27 GMT -8
Meanwhile, the conference keeps hanging its hat on being the Conference of Champions, continuing to grab up titles sports that many major universities don't even compete in. It's become a joke when our conference rarely wins ones that are broadly competed for. please don’t tell bill Walton that we are not the conference of champions anymore, he will be out of a job
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Wyoming
Dec 8, 2020 13:25:05 GMT -8
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Post by spudbeaver on Dec 8, 2020 13:25:05 GMT -8
Conference of Followers.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Dec 8, 2020 14:53:07 GMT -8
Meanwhile, the conference keeps hanging its hat on being the Conference of Champions, continuing to grab up titles sports that many major universities don't even compete in. It's become a joke when our conference rarely wins ones that are broadly competed for. In the last full year of NCAA competition (2018-19), the Pac-12 won NCAA titles in men's golf and men's swimming, and women's cross country, softball, swimming, tennis and volleyball. Almost every P5 university, and a large majority of all D1 universities, compete in all of these sports. The Pac-12 also won men's and women's water polo, men's and women's gymnastics, women's crew, and combined skiing, which are niche sports not sponsored by a wide range of universities. Contrary to your contention, 13 NCAA team championships in a single academic year certainly does make the Pac-12 the Conference of Champions.
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