jrbeavo
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Dec 6, 2020 16:28:36 GMT -8
Post by jrbeavo on Dec 6, 2020 16:28:36 GMT -8
They're not even in the same conversation. And I don't think Altman is that great of a coach even... Explain why you think Altman is not a great coach? You don’t like Final 4 appearances? Altman is the exact opposite of Cristobal. Can coach on gamedays, but cannot manage his team on the off days. He is a lousy communicator and socially challenged. He recruits well in spite of himself. There is a reason that program has so much turnover and turmoil.
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Post by ricke71 on Dec 6, 2020 16:29:20 GMT -8
This is not meant as snark, but 2020 - 2021 looks like a repeat of so many recent Beaver Athletic Team seasons/scenarios:
WBB and Baseball on board as established elite programs....FB and MBB repeat as struggling underdogs with (at best) perpetual (unrealized) potential, but no cigar...or even a cigarette??
Hard to understand why two major sports (WBB and Baseball) can consistently be anywhere between above average and outstanding, while two others continue to struggle.
Is it the personalities of the respective coaches? Is it about $$ and facilities?? Is it about the "small town" Corvallis realities?
Lastly, when will it end?
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Post by beaver94 on Dec 6, 2020 16:38:25 GMT -8
If tinkle and Altman changed rosters who do you think would have the better record? At this point in the season, I’m really not sure Altman would have a better record. His teams at oregon have usually struggled early in the season as he works with new players and figures out his roster. He’s usually got them playing pretty well at the end of the year though. I think he’s a better coach than Tinkle, but anytime you are adding as many new players to a roster as the Beavers did this season there’s going to be some struggles.
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Dec 6, 2020 16:51:52 GMT -8
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Post by Judge Smails on Dec 6, 2020 16:51:52 GMT -8
Explain why you think Altman is not a great coach? You don’t like Final 4 appearances? Altman is the exact opposite of Cristobal. Can coach on gamedays, but cannot manage his team on the off days. He is a lousy communicator and socially challenged. He recruits well in spite of himself. There is a reason that program has so much turnover and turmoil. He’s socially challenged? Did you just insult every engineer on this board?
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jrbeavo
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Dec 6, 2020 16:58:03 GMT -8
Post by jrbeavo on Dec 6, 2020 16:58:03 GMT -8
Altman is the exact opposite of Cristobal. Can coach on gamedays, but cannot manage his team on the off days. He is a lousy communicator and socially challenged. He recruits well in spite of himself. There is a reason that program has so much turnover and turmoil. He’s socially challenged? Did you just insult every engineer on this board? Don't be ridiculous, I know some hilarious engineers! Had a good buddy whose son played for Altman, the stories are revealing.
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Post by beaverstever on Dec 6, 2020 17:01:11 GMT -8
WT was hired on the assumption he was an up-and-comer, and that his track record at Montana proved there was potential to do good things in a major conference. Potential is no longer applicable to WT, you are either ok with what he has proven he can do, or you try again with someone else. I agree we are unlikely to get a proven coach in at OSU, so we are likely in the situation of going after another coach with potential, as has been the case for 30 years with our MBB program; and was the case with Rueck and JS hires.
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Dec 6, 2020 17:03:59 GMT -8
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Post by beaverinohio on Dec 6, 2020 17:03:59 GMT -8
By the way just so I can be consistent on the "ripping" of players was reichle guarded by a defensive stalwart? I see he scored 2. No, this game he deserves it. I thought Hunt should have been in for him in the last 8 min. Hunt, Thompson, Alitishe (he was not good today), Calloo and Tucker should be the starting lineup. I appreciate ZR’s effort, but him, Andale, Lucas etc. should be coming off of the bench I’m less concerned with who starts than who finishes — and that is definitely the 5 that should be playing the last 5-6 minutes of the half and the game. Beavs only have 1.5 PGs, so if WT is worried about having a lineup in there at any time that doesn’t have either Hunt or Ethan than maybe it makes sense to bring Hunt off the bench. But WT has to figure out the rotations so that those two are in there to close out half and game. I’d also like to see Silver get more minutes. Maybe he’s not yet 100% and that is why he only played 4 minutes, but he was a great 3-pt shooter in JC and has hit his only 2 this year. Wyoming wasn’t real big, so curious how a lineup of Alatishe, Calloo, Ethan, Silver and Hunt would have looked.
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Dec 6, 2020 17:43:41 GMT -8
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Post by Judge Smails on Dec 6, 2020 17:43:41 GMT -8
This is not meant as snark, but 2020 - 2021 looks like a repeat of so many recent Beaver Athletic Team seasons/scenarios: WBB and Baseball on board as established elite programs....FB and MBB repeat as struggling underdogs with (at best) perpetual (unrealized) potential, but no cigar...or even a cigarette?? Hard to understand why two major sports (WBB and Baseball) can consistently be anywhere between above average and outstanding, while two others continue to struggle. Is it the personalities of the respective coaches? Is it about $$ and facilities?? Is it about the "small town" Corvallis realities? Lastly, when will it end? WBB is not elite. Very good, but not elite. 1 final four does not make you elite.
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Dec 6, 2020 18:21:29 GMT -8
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Post by spudbeaver on Dec 6, 2020 18:21:29 GMT -8
Wow. How disappointing. I’m glad I didn’t know it was on actually. After the Cal game I was honestly excited. Dang.
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Post by sagebrush on Dec 6, 2020 18:37:08 GMT -8
Spud, sorry you still care. I probably won't watch a game this year unless the only alternatives is all the Law and Orders, Blue Bloods, or all those crazy women from wherever. Sadly, mrs sage watches those crazy women.
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Post by BeaverTailChaser on Dec 6, 2020 18:42:53 GMT -8
sTINK-ball strikes again! Year 7....I give up, I just can't do it anymore. "Same as it ever was, same as it ever was" - Stop Making Sense. At this point, find a Pat Westhead protege and install the run and gun...since we can't install any kind of working motion or set offense, play any D, man or zone or even get the ball inside to our bigs on regular basis. The run and shoot solves all this...just recruit shooters and speed. Not a long term winning strategy (we don't have one now)...but highly entertaining. Maybe tomorrow, I'll find my hope for Beaver Basketball again. Sorry for my lamenting moment.
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Dec 6, 2020 18:48:51 GMT -8
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Post by Judge Smails on Dec 6, 2020 18:48:51 GMT -8
sTINK-ball strikes again! Year 7....I give up, I just can't do it anymore. "Same as it ever was, same as it ever was" - Stop Making Sense. At this point, find a Pat Westhead protege and install the run and gun...since we can't install any kind of working motion or set offense, play any D, man or zone or even get the ball inside to our bigs on regular basis. The run and shoot solves all this...just recruit shooters and speed. Not a long term winning strategy (we don't have one now)...but highly entertaining. Maybe tomorrow, I'll find my hope for Beaver Basketball again. Sorry for my lamenting moment. Is Pat related to Paul?
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Dec 6, 2020 18:54:16 GMT -8
Post by alwaysorange on Dec 6, 2020 18:54:16 GMT -8
We looked damn good against NW university. Lol
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Dec 6, 2020 18:59:19 GMT -8
Post by alwaysorange on Dec 6, 2020 18:59:19 GMT -8
I really do think Tinkle recruited better but the question is is he a bad teacher or the players bad students of what he is teaching or a little of both?
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Dec 6, 2020 19:23:11 GMT -8
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Post by beaverinohio on Dec 6, 2020 19:23:11 GMT -8
sTINK-ball strikes again! Year 7....I give up, I just can't do it anymore. "Same as it ever was, same as it ever was" - Stop Making Sense. At this point, find a Pat Westhead protege and install the run and gun...since we can't install any kind of working motion or set offense, play any D, man or zone or even get the ball inside to our bigs on regular basis. The run and shoot solves all this...just recruit shooters and speed. Not a long term winning strategy (we don't have one now)...but highly entertaining. Maybe tomorrow, I'll find my hope for Beaver Basketball again. Sorry for my lamenting moment. Don’t think he’s a Paul Westhead disciple, but Dr. George Barber might fit the bill. He coaches Greenville University in Illinois. They’ve averaged a hair under 100 points thus far this year. Of course they’ve given up 174+ in 3 of their 4 games. In their defense (pun intended), those games were all against Division 1 teams and they are Div 3. Actually have played in their conference championship game 3 out of last 4 years.
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