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Post by jimbob on Dec 3, 2020 19:46:41 GMT -8
I thought the Beavers pushed the ball upcourt well for the most part.....at least Jaz, Aleah, Sasha, and Savannah did and those 4 will get most all of the backcourt minutes this season. Of our bigs Jovana is pretty quick and runs well, while Taya, Taylor, and Ellie have average foot speed at best, but Jelena is flat out slow. Speaking of Jelena I'm really disappointed in what I saw from her today....not only is she slow but for her size she is physically weak....she is probably an ok finesse player if left alone she can make a shot, but if the opponent gets physical with her at all or bumps her she fumbles the ball or shoots a clunker or falls down....She is not tough at all....I watched her try to block out on a FT and a 5'10' opponent just pushed her under the basket-Jelena had no resistance. She dosen't pursue the rebounds at all and if it falls into her hands she only has a 50/50 chance of catching it cause if she is bumped in traffic at all she loses it. She will not handle the roughness of Pac-12 games unless she really toughens up....I'm thinking when Taylor needs a rest that Jovana will be the better option. This game was the best I've ever seen Jaz play...She played fast, handled and pushed the ball up well, made good passes, and made her 3's under pressure-which I've never seen her do before....she has really stepped up her game. Overall I would like to see the Beavers get back to their stifling pressure defense right from the get-go in games....Stifling defense had been a Scott Rueck trademark for his earlier teams and often kept them in games where they were over-matched early in his OSU tenure, but as his teams have gotten more talented offensively I've seen them move away from the constant stifling defense they used to play....They need to get back to that defensive style of play right from the start of games if they are going to a top tier team this year.
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Post by Judge Smails on Dec 3, 2020 19:49:43 GMT -8
I thought the Beavers pushed the ball upcourt well for the most part.....at least Jaz, Aleah, Sasha, and Savannah did and those 4 will get most all of the backcourt minutes this season. Of our bigs Jovana is pretty quick and runs well, while Taya, Taylor, and Ellie have average foot speed at best, but Jelena is flat out slow. Speaking of Jelena I'm really disappointed in what I saw from her today....not only is she slow but for her size she is physically weak....she is probably an ok finesse player if left alone she can make a shot, but if the opponent gets physical with her at all or bumps her she fumbles the ball or shoots a clunker or falls down....She is not tough at all....I watched her try to block out on a FT and a 5'10' opponent just pushed her under the basket-Jelena had no resistance. She dosen't pursue the rebounds at all and if it falls into her hands she only has a 50/50 chance of catching it cause if she is bumped in traffic at all she loses it. She will not handle the roughness of Pac-12 games unless she really toughens up....I'm thinking when Taylor needs a rest that Jovana will be the better option. This game was the best I've ever seen Jaz play...She played fast, handled and pushed the ball up well, made good passes, and made her 3's under pressure-which I've never seen her do before....she has really stepped up her game. Overall I would like to see the Beavers get back to their stifling pressure defense right from the get-go in games....Stifling defense had been a Scott Rueck trademark for his earlier teams and often kept them in games where they were over-matched early in his OSU tenure, but as his teams have gotten more talented offensively I've seen them move away from the constant stifling defense they used to play....They need to get back to that defensive style of play right from the start of games if they are going to a top tier team this year. I was told Jelena’s lack of speed was an optical illusion. Lol |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Dec 3, 2020 20:52:58 GMT -8
but Jelena is flat out slow. Speaking of Jelena I'm really disappointed in what I saw from her today....not only is she slow but for her size she is physically weak....she is probably an ok finesse player if left alone she can make a shot, but if the opponent gets physical with her at all or bumps her she fumbles the ball or shoots a clunker or falls down....She is not tough at all....I watched her try to block out on a FT and a 5'10' opponent just pushed her under the basket-Jelena had no resistance. She dosen't pursue the rebounds at all and if it falls into her hands she only has a 50/50 chance of catching it cause if she is bumped in traffic at all she loses it. She will not handle the roughness of Pac-12 games unless she really toughens up...
I would like to see your evaluation of Ruth Hamblin as a freshman, when a future All-American couldn't even get out of her own way.
Some might say that's a rush to judgement, since JM has played a grand total of two games.
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Post by beaverstever on Dec 3, 2020 20:54:43 GMT -8
Cal Davis is 55-9 in their last 64 conference games. Their coach had won the conference coach of the year 4 years in a row. So that encouraged me a little bit. Not a ton, but a little lol Linfield is a powerhouse in football too 😀 They were a tournament team in 2019 (knocked out by Stanford) and were likely headed there gain last year when the season was cancelled. UD Davis isn't Gonzaga, but they are a solid program. The last time we played them, we had an Elite 8 team, and we managed a 14 point win in Corvallis. So this is no Linfield equivalent. |
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Post by rmancarl on Dec 3, 2020 22:02:56 GMT -8
I think it is way to early to get overly upset about the bad (defense) or too excited about the good (Sasha). The defense in this game started out poor and the overall effort for the game has to be rated low, but if you look at the game in peices, the defense improved throughout the game. SF hung in there at the end of the game with a lot of FT attempts, which I would attribute to their coach complaints to the Refs. After she complained that they were being called for fouls and the Beavs were not, the calls began to go the other way.
This was a poor defensive game for the Beavs, but I don't think that will be the case all season. SR is just too good of a defensive coach. I am a little concerned about rebounding but I think coach will take care of that one also. I'd really like to see Taya grabbing more boards.
I'm not sure I'm thrilled with what we have seen offensively yet either, but how much can we complain about a team that has scored over 80 points both of these first two games.....and most likely against Weber State too.
Individually:
Sasha was awesome. Loved her game today and she is going to be fun to watch. We should not expect her to score 24 points in 20 minutes regularly though. I love the way she attacked the basket.
Ellie---6pts, 5 RB's, 7 assit, and 1 block in 23 minutes. That's not a bad line. Missed both of her 3pt attempts, but that will not be normal. If I'm the coach, I'm fairly happy with that stat line.
Jasmine---She has put together back to back solid games. 10 points and 8 rebounds today. If she can consisitenly play games this season like these two, that would be huge for the Beavs.
Jelena---this is the type of performance I expect most of the time from her this year. I would not expect many points from her. Someone on this board mentioned a few days ago how much a better player she is than Jo was. I agree that Jelena has a lot more skills, and should have a brighter future, but she is not the shooter around the basket that Jo was. That was the one area where Jo excelled. Jelena should provide solid minutes behind Taylor in many games, but will probably struggle in a few. This team has many up front options though, and that is a positive.
Quick hitters: (my opinions of course....the coaches are much smarter than me)
Aleah played to many minutes....someone needs to help
Taya---I would love to see her be more agressive and rebound stronger
Jovana--She'll have much better games than this one.
The Beavs don't feel like a 3pt shooting team yet (maybe because Aleah missed all of hers and Ellie and Jovana only had one between them (SF did feel like a 3pt shooting team!!!).
Taylor---Just another normal great game. I would like to see her play more minutes once Pac12 play begins.
Go Beavs!
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Post by beaveragain on Dec 3, 2020 22:05:25 GMT -8
My thoughts so far-
Aleah is fiercely the team leader. This is what they need to be a good team.
Taylor showed us her mid range shot and it's hitting. Now to convince her to pass out when she's triple teamed, let alone double teamed.
Sasha and Savannah are both very aggressive going to the basket. Something hard to teach and they are already there.
Taya seems a little hesitant, let's hope that goes away quickly.
Ellie is trying very hard to fit in. Her all around play is good, now let's hope her shots start dropping more.
Jaz's all around play is great so far in the season. Sasha's got to work hard to keep her starting position.
The rest I just haven't seen enough of to say anything.
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Post by jimbob on Dec 4, 2020 6:22:26 GMT -8
but Jelena is flat out slow. Speaking of Jelena I'm really disappointed in what I saw from her today....not only is she slow but for her size she is physically weak....she is probably an ok finesse player if left alone she can make a shot, but if the opponent gets physical with her at all or bumps her she fumbles the ball or shoots a clunker or falls down....She is not tough at all....I watched her try to block out on a FT and a 5'10' opponent just pushed her under the basket-Jelena had no resistance. She dosen't pursue the rebounds at all and if it falls into her hands she only has a 50/50 chance of catching it cause if she is bumped in traffic at all she loses it. She will not handle the roughness of Pac-12 games unless she really toughens up...I would like to see your evaluation of Ruth Hamblin as a freshman, when a future All-American couldn't even get out of her own way. Some might say that's a rush to judgement, since JM has played a grand total of two games. You are right about Ruth H. for sure and I probably did rush to judge JM here....I think I got my hopes too high after some glowing practice reports on JM and then to see her come out sluggish and passive in the SF game was just really disappointing.....maybe she wasn't feeling well Thurs.??.....the entire rest of the team played @100% effort---tough and aggressive, although Taya only looked at about 80%....but coming off of a year layoff and a serious leg injury that makes sense. I can only hope that JM's position coach get's after her these next 2 practice's before the Colorada game and gets her to toughen up and be more aggressive on the court and to quit letting those smaller players push her around! |
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Post by wbosh15 on Dec 4, 2020 8:03:50 GMT -8
I see 2 big areas where I have concerns.
1 - Our 5 best players are our starters, but they are not perfect fits together on the basketball court. Taya and Ellie are both natural 4's, and playing either at the 3 will cause some potential quickness issues on the perimeter.
2 - Unless Sasha really improves her handle (which is almost an impossible during the season) we don't really have anyone who can get a shot without someone else setting them up. Taylor is great if she can get a seal and a good pass, but hasn't shown the ability yet to just post someone up and score.
I really think we need to be elite defensively in order to reach our potential, keeping teams under 55 a game. Allowing 80 especially in the Pac-12 will not cut it.
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Post by beaverstever on Dec 4, 2020 9:05:16 GMT -8
I guess having a tight game against a WCC opponent has kept everyones feet on the ground. I probably prefer that over the 40 point win and subsequent speculation about this being a final 4 team.
Bottom line, we got in a game that pushed this team. Had SF come in and shot 30% from 3 (which can easily happen regardless of the defense) we'd have coasted to a 24 pt win and not gotten nearly as much out of the game. The way it played out was a great outcome given the current situation; the team actually got tested before conference play starts.
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Post by rmancarl on Dec 4, 2020 9:37:31 GMT -8
I see 2 big areas where I have concerns. 1 - Our 5 best players are our starters, but they are not perfect fits together on the basketball court. Taya and Ellie are both natural 4's, and playing either at the 3 will cause some potential quickness issues on the perimeter. 2 - Unless Sasha really improves her handle (which is almost an impossible during the season) we don't really have anyone who can get a shot without someone else setting them up. Taylor is great if she can get a seal and a good pass, but hasn't shown the ability yet to just post someone up and score. I really think we need to be elite defensively in order to reach our potential, keeping teams under 55 a game. Allowing 80 especially in the Pac-12 will not cut it. Regarding your number 2, I do agree with you, but at the same time, I was pretty happy with the number of times our guards in particular got to the basket....Sasha, Jasmine, and Aleah all got to the basket more than I thought they would. I'm not sure they will be able to do that against the better Pac12 teams and that is a bit of my concern as well. |
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Post by beavdowg on Dec 4, 2020 22:59:02 GMT -8
Disappointing performance by the Beavs. Seems like we have a long way to go to be a factor in this league this season.
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Post by qbeaver on Dec 5, 2020 8:12:59 GMT -8
Really impressed with Goforth so far...she is every bit the talent we hoped she would be. The future looks so bright going forward. Jones,Brown,Samual,Kampschroeder,Von Oelhoffer and others are so gifted. In Scott I trust...  |
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Post by willtalk on Dec 6, 2020 1:23:49 GMT -8
The only obvious problem I saw in the last two games was a weakness in defending the 3pt shots. Both teams did almost all their scoring from the outside. At times it seemed like a lack of defensive intensity and other times errors in defensive rotation. Players seemed open and defenders were confused as to who needed to rotate to the shooter. Most of the other areas could not really be judged one way or the other considering how inexperienced the team is and not really being able to judge the level of their competition other than them being hot from distance.
Because of the multiple negative assessments, I feel I need to make a comment in respect to Jelenas last game. Had I only just witnessed that game I would have been even harder on her. She was outright sluggish, did not fight for, catch or hold on to the ball. Toward the end of her stint in the second half she did not even make it down court for some defensive sets. That would be my perspective had I not watched two complete games that she played in the Euro chanpionships two years ago along with her previous game. That leads me to believe that this game was a fluke. There was obviously something wrong with her. She is known for havng good hands and strength. Even Taylor defined her strengths as finess and strength. She not only did not show those qualities by looked really bad in those areas The telling point was not hustling down court at the end and falling with little contact. There was obviously something wrong with her. If I were Scott I would not even have played her in the second half. He could have gone small and still been taller than the opposition.
I always say You are never as good as your best game or as bad as your worst. Well this season should reveal if I was correct about mitigating circumstances being responsible for this last game. Was it a fluke or should we expect more of the same. Well we shall soon know.
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Post by 411500 on Dec 6, 2020 8:56:48 GMT -8
willtalk - - I hope you are right that Jelena may not have been at full-strength in the USF game...maybe a touch of the flu or something...
At any rate, I sure hope it was something that goes away. because she was SLOW in every way you can possibly describe that word.
I mentioned it the other day, and those you who watch the game today will see it: this team is foot speed slow compared to our teams of the past five years....Colorado is not a fast team by UA, UCLA standards....so if our lack of speed is noticeable today, that is not a good sign....
I'll be interested to read the comments on that topic....
GO BEAVS!!
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Post by srfan1 on Dec 6, 2020 15:25:29 GMT -8
willtalk - - I hope you are right that Jelena may not have been at full-strength in the USF game...maybe a touch of the flu or something... At any rate, I sure hope it was something that goes away. because she was SLOW in every way you can possibly describe that word. I mentioned it the other day, and those you who watch the game today will see it: this team is foot speed slow compared to our teams of the past five years....Colorado is not a fast team by UA, UCLA standards....so if our lack of speed is noticeable today, that is not a good sign.... I'll be interested to read the comments on that topic.... GO BEAVS!! watching the UCLA vs Arizona match - they FLEW. It was played a hectic pace that had many shots going up under 15 seconds, it was entertaining to watch but also a bit scary to think that we play way too slow in comparison. I think we have players with speed (and a few lacking) but it is more our style of play not just athleticism. SR likes his tempo which if the girls can muster and control they will be fine in most games. In saying that we get will exposed if it is not addressed quickly. |
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