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Post by kersting13 on Nov 30, 2020 9:47:13 GMT -8
seeing lots of articles posted about how great it was.
All she got to do was one KO (a squib) since Vandy was manhandled by Mizzou. I have a hard time believing she would have been called on to try a PAT or FG.
Obviously just a stunt, and the Vandy coach was fired after the game.
I think it would be safe to assume that several of Vandy’s 2nd/3rd string non-kickers would have beat her out in any legitimate “competition”.
I guess I fail to see what was so great about trotting her out there for an obvious stunt?
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Post by spudbeaver on Nov 30, 2020 10:25:14 GMT -8
seeing lots of articles posted about how great it was. All she got to do was one KO (a squib) since Vandy was manhandled by Mizzou. I have a hard time believing she would have been called on to try a PAT or FG. Obviously just a stunt, and the Vandy coach was fired after the game. I think it would be safe to assume that several of Vandy’s 2nd/3rd string non-kickers would have beat her out in any legitimate “competition”. I guess I fail to see what was so great about trotting her out there for an obvious stunt? Couldn't agree more. What a sideshow. My college age son said he felt like it was disrespectful to great women athletes everywhere that get no recognition. Not to mention, I went to a game at Willamette around 1981 and they had a girl kicker, in game situations. And Katie Neida (sp?) kicked for New Mexico. Not sure why pooching a kick in a "Power 5" game was such a big deal. |
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Post by osuft3 on Nov 30, 2020 11:39:46 GMT -8
Katie started out at Colorado, but transfered to NM after a harassment issue. I don't think she ever played in a game at CU, but they are a power 5.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Nov 30, 2020 12:26:47 GMT -8
seeing lots of articles posted about how great it was. All she got to do was one KO (a squib) since Vandy was manhandled by Mizzou. I have a hard time believing she would have been called on to try a PAT or FG. Obviously just a stunt, and the Vandy coach was fired after the game. I think it would be safe to assume that several of Vandy’s 2nd/3rd string non-kickers would have beat her out in any legitimate “competition”. I guess I fail to see what was so great about trotting her out there for an obvious stunt? Couldn't agree more. What a sideshow. My college age son said he felt like it was disrespectful to great women athletes everywhere that get no recognition. Not to mention, I went to a game at Willamette around 1981 and they had a girl kicker, in game situations. And Katie Neida (sp?) kicked for New Mexico. Not sure why pooching a kick in a "Power 5" game was such a big deal. Liz Heaston played for Willamette in 1997 (not 1981) under Dan Hawkins. She was the back-up kicker and only played in two games because of injuries to the starter. She was 2/4 on kicking extra points. That was a good Willamette team, too. They went to the NAIA Championship Game. After that season, Dick Koetter hired Hawkins to become the Assistant Head Coach at Boise State. After Mark Speckman replaced Hawkins, Heaston opted to concentrate on soccer. Katie Hnida was a back-up kicker for Colorado in 1999 and was the first woman to dress for a bowl game, the 1999 Insight.com Bowl. She lost her spot the following year after falling ill with mono and tonsillitis. She chose to transfer to New Mexico in 2001. She was again the back-up kicker. She played in the 2002 Las Vegas Bowl, but her extra point attempt was blocked. She kicked two extra points against Texas State in 2003 in a 72-8 blowout. She played in one other game in 2003. After the 2003 season, she made her allegations that a teammate had raped her at Colorado. There were several reports of sexual assaults by members of Colorado and Colorado recruits. Gary Barnett was suspended for badmouthing Hnida, but was reinstated. He continued to be the head coach for two more years, which, looking back on it, seems crazy to me. Hnida did not play in another football game. Tonya Butler was the AAA All-State kicker in Gerogia in 1998. She turned down offers at Central Michigan and two dozen 1-AA schools, in order to play at home for Middle Georgia College. She was 36/42 on extra points and kicked a field goal. She transferred to Georgia Southern to play soccer. She then transferred to West Alabama. She went 13/19 on field goal attempts with a long of 39 yards and 48/53 on extra points. She was the special teams captain at West Alabama both years and was Academic All-Gulf South Conference in 2004. Brittany Ryan played four years for Lebanon Valley College. She was very accurate from 25 yards or less and was the starting kicker in those situations. A kicker with a stronger (but less accurate leg) kicked longer kicks. April Goss was the back-up kicker for four years at Kent State, before going in against FCS Delaware State to kick an extra point in a 45-13 rout. Sarah Fuller has apparently kicked 45-yarders in practice. She is supposed to have played because of COVID restrictions on other players. That was a decent squib for a player playing in her first game. Great for Sarah Fuller! And great for NCAA and SEC football! In my opinion, all you haters can suck a lemon. |
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Post by spudbeaver on Nov 30, 2020 12:39:08 GMT -8
Couldn't agree more. What a sideshow. My college age son said he felt like it was disrespectful to great women athletes everywhere that get no recognition. Not to mention, I went to a game at Willamette around 1981 and they had a girl kicker, in game situations. And Katie Neida (sp?) kicked for New Mexico. Not sure why pooching a kick in a "Power 5" game was such a big deal. Liz Heaston played for Willamette in 1997 (not 1981) under Dan Hawkins. She was the back-up kicker and only played in two games because of injuries to the starter. She was 2/4 on kicking extra points. That was a good Willamette team, too. They went to the NAIA Championship Game. After that season, Dick Koetter hired Hawkins to become the Assistant Head Coach at Boise State. After Mark Speckman replaced Hawkins, Heaston opted to concentrate on soccer. Katie Hnida was a back-up kicker for Colorado in 1999 and was the first woman to dress for a bowl game, the 1999 Insight.com Bowl. She lost her spot the following year after falling ill with mono and tonsillitis. She chose to transfer to New Mexico in 2001. She was again the back-up kicker. She played in the 2002 Las Vegas Bowl, but her extra point attempt was blocked. She kicked two extra points against Texas State in 2003 in a 72-8 blowout. She played in one other game in 2003. After the 2003 season, she made her allegations that a teammate had raped her at Colorado. There were several reports of sexual assaults by members of Colorado and Colorado recruits. Gary Barnett was suspended for badmouthing Hnida, but was reinstated. He continued to be the head coach for two more years, which, looking back on it, seems crazy to me. Hnida did not play in another football game. Tonya Butler was the AAA All-State kicker in Gerogia in 1998. She turned down offers at Central Michigan and two dozen 1-AA schools, in order to play at home for Middle Georgia College. She was 36/42 on extra points and kicked a field goal. She transferred to Georgia Southern to play soccer. She then transferred to West Alabama. She went 13/19 on field goal attempts with a long of 39 yards and 48/53 on extra points. She was the special teams captain at West Alabama both years and was Academic All-Gulf South Conference in 2004. Brittany Ryan played four years for Lebanon Valley College. She was very accurate from 25 yards or less and was the starting kicker in those situations. A kicker with a stronger (but less accurate leg) kicked longer kicks. April Goss was the back-up kicker for four years at Kent State, before going in against FCS Delaware State to kick an extra point in a 45-13 rout. Sarah Fuller has apparently kicked 45-yarders in practice. She is supposed to have played because of COVID restrictions on other players. That was a decent squib for a player playing in her first game. Great for Sarah Fuller! And great for NCAA and SEC football! In my opinion, all you haters can suck a lemon. I don’t hate the player, I hate the game. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Nov 30, 2020 12:42:44 GMT -8
Liz Heaston played for Willamette in 1997 (not 1981) under Dan Hawkins. She was the back-up kicker and only played in two games because of injuries to the starter. She was 2/4 on kicking extra points. That was a good Willamette team, too. They went to the NAIA Championship Game. After that season, Dick Koetter hired Hawkins to become the Assistant Head Coach at Boise State. After Mark Speckman replaced Hawkins, Heaston opted to concentrate on soccer. Katie Hnida was a back-up kicker for Colorado in 1999 and was the first woman to dress for a bowl game, the 1999 Insight.com Bowl. She lost her spot the following year after falling ill with mono and tonsillitis. She chose to transfer to New Mexico in 2001. She was again the back-up kicker. She played in the 2002 Las Vegas Bowl, but her extra point attempt was blocked. She kicked two extra points against Texas State in 2003 in a 72-8 blowout. She played in one other game in 2003. After the 2003 season, she made her allegations that a teammate had raped her at Colorado. There were several reports of sexual assaults by members of Colorado and Colorado recruits. Gary Barnett was suspended for badmouthing Hnida, but was reinstated. He continued to be the head coach for two more years, which, looking back on it, seems crazy to me. Hnida did not play in another football game. Tonya Butler was the AAA All-State kicker in Gerogia in 1998. She turned down offers at Central Michigan and two dozen 1-AA schools, in order to play at home for Middle Georgia College. She was 36/42 on extra points and kicked a field goal. She transferred to Georgia Southern to play soccer. She then transferred to West Alabama. She went 13/19 on field goal attempts with a long of 39 yards and 48/53 on extra points. She was the special teams captain at West Alabama both years and was Academic All-Gulf South Conference in 2004. Brittany Ryan played four years for Lebanon Valley College. She was very accurate from 25 yards or less and was the starting kicker in those situations. A kicker with a stronger (but less accurate leg) kicked longer kicks. April Goss was the back-up kicker for four years at Kent State, before going in against FCS Delaware State to kick an extra point in a 45-13 rout. Sarah Fuller has apparently kicked 45-yarders in practice. She is supposed to have played because of COVID restrictions on other players. That was a decent squib for a player playing in her first game. Great for Sarah Fuller! And great for NCAA and SEC football! In my opinion, all you haters can suck a lemon. I don’t hate the player, I hate the game. Maybe because you can’t keep 1981 and 1997 straight. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Nov 30, 2020 12:46:17 GMT -8
Liz Heaston played for Willamette in 1997 (not 1981) under Dan Hawkins. She was the back-up kicker and only played in two games because of injuries to the starter. She was 2/4 on kicking extra points. That was a good Willamette team, too. They went to the NAIA Championship Game. After that season, Dick Koetter hired Hawkins to become the Assistant Head Coach at Boise State. After Mark Speckman replaced Hawkins, Heaston opted to concentrate on soccer. Katie Hnida was a back-up kicker for Colorado in 1999 and was the first woman to dress for a bowl game, the 1999 Insight.com Bowl. She lost her spot the following year after falling ill with mono and tonsillitis. She chose to transfer to New Mexico in 2001. She was again the back-up kicker. She played in the 2002 Las Vegas Bowl, but her extra point attempt was blocked. She kicked two extra points against Texas State in 2003 in a 72-8 blowout. She played in one other game in 2003. After the 2003 season, she made her allegations that a teammate had raped her at Colorado. There were several reports of sexual assaults by members of Colorado and Colorado recruits. Gary Barnett was suspended for badmouthing Hnida, but was reinstated. He continued to be the head coach for two more years, which, looking back on it, seems crazy to me. Hnida did not play in another football game. Tonya Butler was the AAA All-State kicker in Gerogia in 1998. She turned down offers at Central Michigan and two dozen 1-AA schools, in order to play at home for Middle Georgia College. She was 36/42 on extra points and kicked a field goal. She transferred to Georgia Southern to play soccer. She then transferred to West Alabama. She went 13/19 on field goal attempts with a long of 39 yards and 48/53 on extra points. She was the special teams captain at West Alabama both years and was Academic All-Gulf South Conference in 2004. Brittany Ryan played four years for Lebanon Valley College. She was very accurate from 25 yards or less and was the starting kicker in those situations. A kicker with a stronger (but less accurate leg) kicked longer kicks. April Goss was the back-up kicker for four years at Kent State, before going in against FCS Delaware State to kick an extra point in a 45-13 rout. Sarah Fuller has apparently kicked 45-yarders in practice. She is supposed to have played because of COVID restrictions on other players. That was a decent squib for a player playing in her first game. Great for Sarah Fuller! And great for NCAA and SEC football! In my opinion, all you haters can suck a lemon. I don’t hate the player, I hate the game. I looked back at your post, and you said that it was a sideshow. Vandy is currently 0-8, and they lost in Columbia by 41 points. Sometimes, when the actual show is no good, you might as well have a sideshow. Give the people a reason to follow Vandy football, because there is little reason to watch the football team otherwise. Missouri's head coach has four daughters and really talked Fuller up after the game. I dunno. It sounded like a real feel-good story to me. I am not a big fan of people taking a dump on the story for what seems to me to be no good reason. I did not mean to single you out spudbeaver Also, I think that you are right to hate SEC football, as a general rule. |
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Post by spudbeaver on Nov 30, 2020 12:47:50 GMT -8
I don’t hate the player, I hate the game. Maybe because you can’t keep 1981 and 1997 straight. I was nowhere near Willamette in 97, and the only game I’ve ever attended there was in 81 or 82 with my sis who went there. I’m still pretty confident that they had a female kicker as it’s the only thing I remember from the game. Oh, plus it was wet. |
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Post by spudbeaver on Nov 30, 2020 13:01:30 GMT -8
I don’t hate the player, I hate the game. Maybe because you can’t keep 1981 and 1997 straight. If I am wrong, it will be terribly embarrassing being the first poster here to ever remember a date or team incorrectly... |
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Post by spudbeaver on Nov 30, 2020 13:04:23 GMT -8
Katie started out at Colorado, but transfered to NM after a harassment issue. I don't think she ever played in a game at CU, but they are a power 5. Alleged rape now "a harassment issue". Ultimately cost Barnett his job. |
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Post by osuft3 on Nov 30, 2020 13:54:29 GMT -8
Alleged rape now "a harassment issue". Ultimately cost Barnett his job. I only posted what I remembered, and obviously it wasn't the complete story. I don't condone rape or harassment, so you can save your consternation for someone else. |
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Post by spudbeaver on Nov 30, 2020 14:13:39 GMT -8
I only posted what I remembered, and obviously it wasn't the complete story. I don't condone rape or harassment, so you can save your consternation for someone else. Me too! |
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Post by kersting13 on Nov 30, 2020 14:27:46 GMT -8
Couldn't agree more. What a sideshow. My college age son said he felt like it was disrespectful to great women athletes everywhere that get no recognition. Not to mention, I went to a game at Willamette around 1981 and they had a girl kicker, in game situations. And Katie Neida (sp?) kicked for New Mexico. Not sure why pooching a kick in a "Power 5" game was such a big deal. Liz Heaston played for Willamette in 1997 (not 1981) under Dan Hawkins. She was the back-up kicker and only played in two games because of injuries to the starter. She was 2/4 on kicking extra points. That was a good Willamette team, too. They went to the NAIA Championship Game. After that season, Dick Koetter hired Hawkins to become the Assistant Head Coach at Boise State. After Mark Speckman replaced Hawkins, Heaston opted to concentrate on soccer. Katie Hnida was a back-up kicker for Colorado in 1999 and was the first woman to dress for a bowl game, the 1999 Insight.com Bowl. She lost her spot the following year after falling ill with mono and tonsillitis. She chose to transfer to New Mexico in 2001. She was again the back-up kicker. She played in the 2002 Las Vegas Bowl, but her extra point attempt was blocked. She kicked two extra points against Texas State in 2003 in a 72-8 blowout. She played in one other game in 2003. After the 2003 season, she made her allegations that a teammate had raped her at Colorado. There were several reports of sexual assaults by members of Colorado and Colorado recruits. Gary Barnett was suspended for badmouthing Hnida, but was reinstated. He continued to be the head coach for two more years, which, looking back on it, seems crazy to me. Hnida did not play in another football game. Tonya Butler was the AAA All-State kicker in Gerogia in 1998. She turned down offers at Central Michigan and two dozen 1-AA schools, in order to play at home for Middle Georgia College. She was 36/42 on extra points and kicked a field goal. She transferred to Georgia Southern to play soccer. She then transferred to West Alabama. She went 13/19 on field goal attempts with a long of 39 yards and 48/53 on extra points. She was the special teams captain at West Alabama both years and was Academic All-Gulf South Conference in 2004. Brittany Ryan played four years for Lebanon Valley College. She was very accurate from 25 yards or less and was the starting kicker in those situations. A kicker with a stronger (but less accurate leg) kicked longer kicks. April Goss was the back-up kicker for four years at Kent State, before going in against FCS Delaware State to kick an extra point in a 45-13 rout. Sarah Fuller has apparently kicked 45-yarders in practice. She is supposed to have played because of COVID restrictions on other players. That was a decent squib for a player playing in her first game. Great for Sarah Fuller! And great for NCAA and SEC football! In my opinion, all you haters can suck a lemon. I don’t mind being branded a “hater” in this scenario. I just think it’s funny that we’re celebrating someone who probably couldn’t legitimately have won PT for a school that lost all its kickers to COVID for a week. It’s a bit like those stories you see about the disabled HS football player who gets to run for a TD in a big blowout game. Sure, it’s a feel-good story, but beyond that, I’d hardly call it an “accomplishment”. Wilky, I enjoyed your info on Tonya Butler. I was aware of Hnida, but I never knew a female actually kicked FGs at a real college before. It still seems quite strange to me that West Alabama didn’t have better options. The stats you listed are better than what I would have imagined. |
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Post by beavs6 on Nov 30, 2020 15:48:38 GMT -8
Couldn't agree more. What a sideshow. My college age son said he felt like it was disrespectful to great women athletes everywhere that get no recognition. Not to mention, I went to a game at Willamette around 1981 and they had a girl kicker, in game situations. And Katie Neida (sp?) kicked for New Mexico. Not sure why pooching a kick in a "Power 5" game was such a big deal. Liz Heaston played for Willamette in 1997 (not 1981) under Dan Hawkins. She was the back-up kicker and only played in two games because of injuries to the starter. She was 2/4 on kicking extra points. That was a good Willamette team, too. They went to the NAIA Championship Game. After that season, Dick Koetter hired Hawkins to become the Assistant Head Coach at Boise State. After Mark Speckman replaced Hawkins, Heaston opted to concentrate on soccer. Katie Hnida was a back-up kicker for Colorado in 1999 and was the first woman to dress for a bowl game, the 1999 Insight.com Bowl. She lost her spot the following year after falling ill with mono and tonsillitis. She chose to transfer to New Mexico in 2001. She was again the back-up kicker. She played in the 2002 Las Vegas Bowl, but her extra point attempt was blocked. She kicked two extra points against Texas State in 2003 in a 72-8 blowout. She played in one other game in 2003. After the 2003 season, she made her allegations that a teammate had raped her at Colorado. There were several reports of sexual assaults by members of Colorado and Colorado recruits. Gary Barnett was suspended for badmouthing Hnida, but was reinstated. He continued to be the head coach for two more years, which, looking back on it, seems crazy to me. Hnida did not play in another football game. Tonya Butler was the AAA All-State kicker in Gerogia in 1998. She turned down offers at Central Michigan and two dozen 1-AA schools, in order to play at home for Middle Georgia College. She was 36/42 on extra points and kicked a field goal. She transferred to Georgia Southern to play soccer. She then transferred to West Alabama. She went 13/19 on field goal attempts with a long of 39 yards and 48/53 on extra points. She was the special teams captain at West Alabama both years and was Academic All-Gulf South Conference in 2004. Brittany Ryan played four years for Lebanon Valley College. She was very accurate from 25 yards or less and was the starting kicker in those situations. A kicker with a stronger (but less accurate leg) kicked longer kicks. April Goss was the back-up kicker for four years at Kent State, before going in against FCS Delaware State to kick an extra point in a 45-13 rout. Sarah Fuller has apparently kicked 45-yarders in practice. She is supposed to have played because of COVID restrictions on other players. That was a decent squib for a player playing in her first game. Great for Sarah Fuller! And great for NCAA and SEC football! In my opinion, all you haters can suck a lemon. Did you mean to call him "Dick" or was that auto-correct?(or a slip) |
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Post by Judge Smails on Nov 30, 2020 15:51:41 GMT -8
Maybe because you can’t keep 1981 and 1997 straight. I was nowhere near Willamette in 97, and the only game I’ve ever attended there was in 81 or 82 with my sis who went there. I’m still pretty confident that they had a female kicker as it’s the only thing I remember from the game. Oh, plus it was wet. Heaston was the first female to ever score in a game in 1997, so if they had a female kicker in 1981, she either didn’t play or only kicked off or you were drunk and thought the kicker was cute. |
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