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Post by rmancarl on Dec 2, 2020 13:33:02 GMT -8
I mentioned this in another thread, but I was concerned the press would hurt the Beavs with Aleah as the main ball handler, but my fears diminished some when I went back and watched a few games for the 18/19 season and saw Aleah on the floor in crunch time against speedy teams like UCLA while Destiny sat on the bench.
I still think Aleah needs help this year, but as mentioned the tall forwards can help on the press, along with Sasha's ability to handle the ball. Just about every comment on Ellie is her ability to play every roll, including Taylor saying Ellie could play all 5 positions is a positive as well. I'm not as concerned as I once was about Aleah going against the press or quick point guards, although I still think it is something for the team to address. I think there are enough solutions to handle any weakness.
In saying all of that, I was a little disappointed that Sasha led the teams in TO's against Montana Western, even though that should be somewhat expected as she handles the ball a lot, and is a freshman. Sasha had a great showing for her first game though. Looking forward to seeing how this team develops.
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Post by willtalk on Dec 2, 2020 15:38:30 GMT -8
Judge Smails tends to focus on the areas that Slocum was good at but ignored the areas that she was a liability in. There are very few players who have no weaknesses and do everything well. It usually amounts to a trqde off between their pluses and thair minuses. Often those are mitigated by what a team needs as opposed to what they can more easily. compensate for.
Destiny was very good at bringing the ball up against the press. However that is something that can be compensated for by passing the ball up instead of bringing it up wth the dribble. It is a given that the ball travels faster through the air than it does of the dribble. This team has enough good passers with length that it should not present a problem. Her half court creating her own shots of the dribble presented more of a liability than it was an asset. This was especially true because the team had two players who focused on creating their own shots off the dribble. Playing them both together with that mind set destroyed constructive ball moveement and delagated out side shooting to more desperation shots than open looks. The impact this has on shooting percentages can be statistically documented. Destiny is perfectly capable of playing in Scotts system. In fact when she did so she was even more effective. Her choice to transfer was statement on her part that she wanted to play her way and in that respect the team is batter off without her.
Goodwin is a far better point guard that she showed herself to be last season. She had a shakey start and I feel it was partially because of bad habits she she regressed back into playing. To a seasoned and solid point guard that would not have been a problem, but Goodwin was just learning to play the position at the college level so the 3X3 game caused somewhat of a regression. During her Jr season the offense very often ran better when she was at the point than when Destiny was in the game. The TA&M being one example. The team was being beaten until Goodwin and the second unit came in and made up much of the initial deficit. That was also, as another poster mentioned that Destiny was often on the bench in crunch time. Goodwin also carried the team during the playoffs when the teams offense found it hard to score. Relying on creating your own shot off the dribble works agains certain favorable match ups but when the match up is not there the offense stalls and that is what often happened. This is why offensive balance is important and to create that balance you have to have ball movement that gets the ball to the hot hand if that hand is not a major ball handler.
It is not that Destiny is not a good player, only that her choice of game does not compliment the rest of the team. She will eventual have to adjust her game if she wants to be successful at the next level which she could have done under Scott. It was their collective style of play that dropped Pivec from a mid first round pick down to the third round. And it was having to re-adjust to that style of play that interupted her starting for her team for a period of time. That is how she played her Jr year and was a major reason she had the amazing season that shot her up the draft rankings to a projected mid first rounder.
They will miss Destinys ability to break the press of the dribble, but that can be compensated for as other posters have already commented on. Princeton used to give more athletic teams fits in the playoffs via their half court ball movement and the excellent shot selection it created. No one wanted to play them. This team has far better presonal tha Princeton could have even dreameed of having. Ball movement will be key for them.
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Post by Judge Smails on Dec 2, 2020 17:12:52 GMT -8
Judge Smails tends to focus on the areas that Slocum was good at but ignored the areas that she was a liability in. There are very few players who have no weaknesses and do everything well. It usually amounts to a trqde off between their pluses and thair minuses. Often those are mitigated by what a team needs as opposed to what they can more easily. compensate for. Destiny was very good at bringing the ball up against the press. However that is something that can be compensated for by passing the ball up instead of bringing it up wth the dribble. It is a given that the ball travels faster through the air than it does of the dribble. This team has enough good passers with length that it should not present a problem. Her half court creating her own shots of the dribble presented more of a liability than it was an asset. This was especially true because the team had two players who focused on creating their own shots off the dribble. Playing them both together with that mind set destroyed constructive ball moveement and delagated out side shooting to more desperation shots than open looks. The impact this has on shooting percentages can be statistically documented. Destiny is perfectly capable of playing in Scotts system. In fact when she did so she was even more effective. Her choice to transfer was statement on her part that she wanted to play her way and in that respect the team is batter off without her. Goodwin is a far better point guard that she showed herself to be last season. She had a shakey start and I feel it was partially because of bad habits she she regressed back into playing. To a seasoned and solid point guard that would not have been a problem, but Goodwin was just learning to play the position at the college level so the 3X3 game caused somewhat of a regression. During her Jr season the offense very often ran better when she was at the point than when Destiny was in the game. The TA&M being one example. The team was being beaten until Goodwin and the second unit came in and made up much of the initial deficit. That was also, as another poster mentioned that Destiny was often on the bench in crunch time. Goodwin also carried the team during the playoffs when the teams offense found it hard to score. Relying on creating your own shot off the dribble works agains certain favorable match ups but when the match up is not there the offense stalls and that is what often happened. This is why offensive balance is important and to create that balance you have to have ball movement that gets the ball to the hot hand if that hand is not a major ball handler. It is not that Destiny is not a good player, only that her choice of game does not compliment the rest of the team. She will eventual have to adjust her game if she wants to be successful at the next level which she could have done under Scott. It was their collective style of play that dropped Pivec from a mid first round pick down to the third round. And it was having to re-adjust to that style of play that interupted her starting for her team for a period of time. That is how she played her Jr year and was a major reason she had the amazing season that shot her up the draft rankings to a projected mid first rounder. They will miss Destinys ability to break the press of the dribble, but that can be compensated for as other posters have already commented on. Princeton used to give more athletic teams fits in the playoffs via their half court ball movement and the excellent shot selection it created. No one wanted to play them. This team has far better presonal tha Princeton could have even dreameed of having. Ball movement will be key for them. You are a blowhard. Mik was never going to be a 1st round pick. She will likely never play in the WNBA. We shall see how this team does, but this is likely a rebuilding year. Anywhere from a 3rd to 6th place finish in the conference. Please furnish your coaching resume. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Dec 2, 2020 17:29:31 GMT -8
Judge Smails tends to focus on the areas that Slocum was good at but ignored the areas that she was a liability in. There are very few players who have no weaknesses and do everything well. It usually amounts to a trqde off between their pluses and thair minuses. Often those are mitigated by what a team needs as opposed to what they can more easily. compensate for. Destiny was very good at bringing the ball up against the press. However that is something that can be compensated for by passing the ball up instead of bringing it up wth the dribble. It is a given that the ball travels faster through the air than it does of the dribble. This team has enough good passers with length that it should not present a problem. Her half court creating her own shots of the dribble presented more of a liability than it was an asset. This was especially true because the team had two players who focused on creating their own shots off the dribble. Playing them both together with that mind set destroyed constructive ball moveement and delagated out side shooting to more desperation shots than open looks. The impact this has on shooting percentages can be statistically documented. Destiny is perfectly capable of playing in Scotts system. In fact when she did so she was even more effective. Her choice to transfer was statement on her part that she wanted to play her way and in that respect the team is batter off without her. Goodwin is a far better point guard that she showed herself to be last season. She had a shakey start and I feel it was partially because of bad habits she she regressed back into playing. To a seasoned and solid point guard that would not have been a problem, but Goodwin was just learning to play the position at the college level so the 3X3 game caused somewhat of a regression. During her Jr season the offense very often ran better when she was at the point than when Destiny was in the game. The TA&M being one example. The team was being beaten until Goodwin and the second unit came in and made up much of the initial deficit. That was also, as another poster mentioned that Destiny was often on the bench in crunch time. Goodwin also carried the team during the playoffs when the teams offense found it hard to score. Relying on creating your own shot off the dribble works agains certain favorable match ups but when the match up is not there the offense stalls and that is what often happened. This is why offensive balance is important and to create that balance you have to have ball movement that gets the ball to the hot hand if that hand is not a major ball handler. It is not that Destiny is not a good player, only that her choice of game does not compliment the rest of the team. She will eventual have to adjust her game if she wants to be successful at the next level which she could have done under Scott. It was their collective style of play that dropped Pivec from a mid first round pick down to the third round. And it was having to re-adjust to that style of play that interupted her starting for her team for a period of time. That is how she played her Jr year and was a major reason she had the amazing season that shot her up the draft rankings to a projected mid first rounder. They will miss Destinys ability to break the press of the dribble, but that can be compensated for as other posters have already commented on. Princeton used to give more athletic teams fits in the playoffs via their half court ball movement and the excellent shot selection it created. No one wanted to play them. This team has far better presonal tha Princeton could have even dreameed of having. Ball movement will be key for them. |
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Post by lotrader on Dec 2, 2020 18:58:33 GMT -8
willtalk will talk, but his analysis is not without some merit. You don't have to have been a "coach" to provide analysis worthy of consideration. I do think it helps to have played the game in question to offer analysis. Having myself played the game, and followed the game for a half century, and followed Scott Rueck's OSU teams since he arrived, willtalk makes some valid points. The value of a team member has to be made examining the positives and negatives that individual contributes to the success of the team. I think willtalk's analysis of Destiny Slocum's value to the team was well thought out and presented. Destiny is a great talent, and I hope she thrives at Arkansas. I believe for a Coach Rueck team, with the players they have this year, OSU is better off with Destiny's decision to transfer.
willtalk made many other points, many which I can support, for example, what it takes to break a press. Every team that is consistently successful at breaking the press, and, even punishing the team pressing with a quick scoring counter, has athletic BIGs to pass out of the press. And willtalk is absolutely accurate that the ball moves quicker upcourt via the pass vs dribble. Ralph Miller's OSU teams demonstrated that over and over during the Orange Express days.
The board is for banter, back and forth. We don't have to agree, but we should be willing to disagree without name calling.
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Post by beavershoopsfan on Dec 2, 2020 21:05:26 GMT -8
Goodwin also carried the team during the playoffs when the teams offense found it hard to score. Relying on creating your own shot off the dribble works against certain favorable match ups but when the match up is not there the offense stalls and that is what often happened. This is why offensive balance is important and to create that balance you have to have ball movement that gets the ball to the hot hand if that hand is not a major ball handler. As Werebeaver amusingly references in a post above, OSU's starting point guard for the '20-'21 season is Aleah Goodman, not Goodwin as willtalk consistently writes above. Goodman is a talented shooter and heady passer. Her effectiveness at the point may be the most important factor in how far the Beavers will go this season, assuming that the season will be played through to the NCAA tournament. Goodman has yet to "carry the team during the playoffs" during her three-year career as willtalk asserts inaccurately above. I am assuming that his idea of the "playoffs" is the postseason, including her three PAC-12 Tournaments and two NCAA tournaments. A review of her stats during those combined 11 games (7 NCAA games and 4 PAC-12 Tournament games) won't paint a "carrying the team" picture at all, especially her shooting woes during the 2019 PAC-12 Tournament upset loss to Washington in Las Vegas. However, it is Goodman's team now to lead and the ball will frequently be in her hands as a team captain and primary initiator of the offense. Goodman's leadership skills and ability to distribute to OSU's numerous 6'3+" bigs would appear to fit Rueck's controlled halfcourt schemes very well. She will likely continue to struggle to create separation off the dribble from her defender, but she will receive plenty of screens from OSU's posts and has learned to get her shot off efficiently from distance. |
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