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Post by Judge Smails on Nov 29, 2020 15:43:41 GMT -8
Really? That's what you took away from my post?
What does "for real" mean to you? To me it means, "they really are what we thought". They don't have to be playing UConn to show that they have the skills that we recruited them for.
Didn’t say UConn, but maybe wait until they play a D1 opponent. You don’t know if they have the skills to compete against a legit team. Especially Jelena, who won’t be 8 inches taller than anyone on the floor against legit competition.
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Post by Werebeaver on Nov 29, 2020 16:31:02 GMT -8
I felt like a lot of questions were answered in the affirmative: - Is Jelena for real? Yep. 10/5 in 11 minutes, with one block and a wickedly quick in-out pass that should have been an assist. - Is Sasha for real? Yep. Seven assists in her first game. Four rebounds, too. - Will Savannah be a contributor. Yep. Seven points in ten minutes - but more importantly, two steals and the best DRtg in the game, according to the analytics. A potential Gabby Hanson? I didn't doubt whether Jovana and Ellie would be contributors. Jo will back up Taya and Ellie is the third guard, and they both looked fine in those roles. Ellie didn't have a great game (1-6 shooting!) but you can't read too much into that. But one question remains unanswered: who backs up Aleah at the point? Faustino really struggled. Right now, I'd guess that Sasha will move to PG when Aleah is out. I see five guards in the rotation: Aleah, Sasha and Ellie starting, Jas and Savannah off the bench. It would be nice to see Theresa in there, too, but she looks to be a year away from being ready. Saying the newcomers are “for real” after one game against an NAIA team is like saying the men’s team is going to the final four after destroying an NAIA team. Define “for real”. Thank you in advance.
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Post by sparty on Nov 29, 2020 16:46:13 GMT -8
Saying the newcomers are “for real” after one game against an NAIA team is like saying the men’s team is going to the final four after destroying an NAIA team. Define “for real”. Thank you in advance. They are not card board cut outs in the stands? Let's see how everyone does against Utah which is right around the corner.
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Post by jimbob on Nov 29, 2020 17:40:31 GMT -8
I was disappointed that coach did not give more playing time to backup point guards. No way Aleah should be getting that many minutes in a blowout when we need to develop a backup(s) so to not to have to rely upon our senior leader.
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Post by jimbob on Nov 29, 2020 18:43:38 GMT -8
I'm guessing the reason Aleah and some of the other starters played extended minutes late in this blowout was to build conditioning for next weeks Pac-12 start where they will need to be ready for lots of minutes. Normally they have 2 months of pre-conf. games to get in shape....this year they only have 1 week of games to get in shape!....And they will need to be ready from the get-go with tough Utah up 1st this Friday....Utah was 17-1 & 6-1 Pac-12 to start last year including a 16pt thumping of Arizona, and only losing on a last second basket to ASU for their 1 loss, before losing 2 starters to injury and running into Stanford, UO, and OSU for 3 losses.....And their coach has gone on record saying this years team with 4 starters back and a top 20 recruiting class is her best team ever....So its welcome to the tough Pac-12 for 2 of our starters in Ellie and Sasha, plus Jelena and Savannah off the bench....I can only hope they are somewhat prepared for basketball wars like they have never experienced!
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Post by willtalk on Nov 29, 2020 20:48:06 GMT -8
Really? That's what you took away from my post?
What does "for real" mean to you? To me it means, "they really are what we thought". They don't have to be playing UConn to show that they have the skills that we recruited them for.
Didn’t say UConn, but maybe wait until they play a D1 opponent. You don’t know if they have the skills to compete against a legit team. Especially Jelena, who won’t be 8 inches taller than anyone on the floor against legit competition. So she will only be 4 inches taller than everyone on the floor. You can get alot from these type of games if you know what to look for. For example in respect to Jelena- is how quickly she makes decisions and gets ride of the ball. I have also seen her play in the Euro's aganst legit tall centers and she has no problems getting her shot of in the post. She has moves and a hook shot. Something else I liked about her was how quickly she passed out from the post when she saw someone open instead of first attempting to work for her shot. Another thing I noticed is how she played a much smaller player on the perimeter. She used perfect distancing between her and the ball handler. Many taller players play too close or too far back. If you use the right distence you can not only stop their shot but also eliminate their drive. The main difference in respect to the post players playing a short team like that would be the level of difficulty making entry passes. It will be more difficult against taller players. Even short teams can present a different challenge that a taller team. This might become evident when teams try to play short against them when they can not match their height. What was most important about this game was it tested their decision making. You can work on plays and getting to know your teammates. Sometime matching up with shorter team is more difficult for a tall team. I like others suspect that Goforth will be the back up point. With Samual coming in as a shooting guard.
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Post by Judge Smails on Nov 30, 2020 6:43:15 GMT -8
Didn’t say UConn, but maybe wait until they play a D1 opponent. You don’t know if they have the skills to compete against a legit team. Especially Jelena, who won’t be 8 inches taller than anyone on the floor against legit competition. So she will only be 4 inches taller than everyone on the floor. You can get alot from these type of games if you know what to look for. For example in respect to Jelena- is how quickly she makes decisions and gets ride of the ball. I have also seen her play in the Euro's aganst legit tall centers and she has no problems getting her shot of in the post. She has moves and a hook shot. Something else I liked about her was how quickly she passed out from the post when she saw someone open instead of first attempting to work for her shot. Another thing I noticed is how she played a much smaller player on the perimeter. She used perfect distancing between her and the ball handler. Many taller players play too close or too far back. If you use the right distence you can not only stop their shot but also eliminate their drive. The main difference in respect to the post players playing a short team like that would be the level of difficulty making entry passes. It will be more difficult against taller players. Even short teams can present a different challenge that a taller team. This might become evident when teams try to play short against them when they can not match their height. What was most important about this game was it tested their decision making. You can work on plays and getting to know your teammates. Sometime matching up with shorter team is more difficult for a tall team. I like others suspect that Goforth will be the back up point. With Samual coming in as a shooting guard. I wasn’t denying that she has some skill. I still think there are a lot of concerns about her quickness and overall athleticism. How she will play against much better athletes is still a question mark.
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Post by willtalk on Dec 1, 2020 23:52:48 GMT -8
So she will only be 4 inches taller than everyone on the floor. You can get alot from these type of games if you know what to look for. For example in respect to Jelena- is how quickly she makes decisions and gets ride of the ball. I have also seen her play in the Euro's aganst legit tall centers and she has no problems getting her shot of in the post. She has moves and a hook shot. Something else I liked about her was how quickly she passed out from the post when she saw someone open instead of first attempting to work for her shot. Another thing I noticed is how she played a much smaller player on the perimeter. She used perfect distancing between her and the ball handler. Many taller players play too close or too far back. If you use the right distence you can not only stop their shot but also eliminate their drive. The main difference in respect to the post players playing a short team like that would be the level of difficulty making entry passes. It will be more difficult against taller players. Even short teams can present a different challenge that a taller team. This might become evident when teams try to play short against them when they can not match their height. What was most important about this game was it tested their decision making. You can work on plays and getting to know your teammates. Sometime matching up with shorter team is more difficult for a tall team. I like others suspect that Goforth will be the back up point. With Samual coming in as a shooting guard. I wasn’t denying that she has some skill. I still think there are a lot of concerns about her quickness and overall athleticism. How she will play against much better athletes is still a question mark. How players match up with certain players always remains a question. It is a question that also affects quick athletic players as well. It is obvious that your favor quick and athletic players. Athleticism can often become a handycap if it becomes a distraction to a player developing other skills. This often becomes a pattern that develops at the lower levels when an athletic player can dominate purely with their physical superiority over their competition. This applies to quick speedy players as well as the taller post players who seldom face anyone close to their size. Length and quickness/atheticism often is a trade off. One can mitigate a lack of length vial quickness and a lack of quickness via length. This is why I mentioned Jelenas proper use of distance on defense to negate her mans quickness. A tall player can negate quickness by playing off their man. The taller they are the farther the can play off of them and still challenge their shot. This is how a taller player can defend a shorter quicker player. Positioning and angles play a major part in good defense. Conversely a shorter quicker player faces the same problem but in reverse. They can use their quickness to advantage in off the ball help defense but it becomes a handy cap in on the ball defense. While height and quickness can be a real advantage in basketball, they are not the only factors at play. Hand speed and positioning also plays a major role. One also needs to remember that short people give the appearance of being quicker than taller players because of the relative length of their strides. It appears to me that you percieve shorter players to be faster than they are and taller ones as slower than they actually are. It is an optical illusion. In respect to Jelena, I don't see your percieved lack of her quickness to be a problem. She is quicker than you believe her to be. Her straight line speed ( running the floor ) is the one area where she might be beat by a faster center on breaks. McCowan of Miss St. was actually slower and less quick than Jelena and no one seemed to focus on that because her abilities under the basket made that negative a good trade off. Your focus only on percieved negatives reflect your preferential bias only. Which is why you conversly overvalued Slocum. You focused entirely on her assets while ignoring her existing trade off liabilities. Jelena brings a lot of intangables that are valuable assets to team play. It seems that over seas players are taught fundamentals of basketball that are often ignored by players who play against sub par competition in high school. There is a huge difference girls high school basketball more than in any other type of sport. This causes them to develop some very bad habits that become developmental problems at the next level.
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Post by Judge Smails on Dec 2, 2020 6:18:10 GMT -8
I wasn’t denying that she has some skill. I still think there are a lot of concerns about her quickness and overall athleticism. How she will play against much better athletes is still a question mark. How players match up with certain players always remains a question. It is a question that also affects quick athletic players as well. It is obvious that your favor quick and athletic players. Athleticism can often become a handycap if it becomes a distraction to a player developing other skills. This often becomes a pattern that develops at the lower levels when an athletic player can dominate purely with their physical superiority over their competition. This applies to quick speedy players as well as the taller post players who seldom face anyone close to their size. Length and quickness/atheticism often is a trade off. One can mitigate a lack of length vial quickness and a lack of quickness via length. This is why I mentioned Jelenas proper use of distance on defense to negate her mans quickness. A tall player can negate quickness by playing off their man. The taller they are the farther the can play off of them and still challenge their shot. This is how a taller player can defend a shorter quicker player. Positioning and angles play a major part in good defense. Conversely a shorter quicker player faces the same problem but in reverse. They can use their quickness to advantage in off the ball help defense but it becomes a handy cap in on the ball defense. While height and quickness can be a real advantage in basketball, they are not the only factors at play. Hand speed and positioning also plays a major role. One also needs to remember that short people give the appearance of being quicker than taller players because of the relative length of their strides. It appears to me that you percieve shorter players to be faster than they are and taller ones as slower than they actually are. It is an optical illusion. In respect to Jelena, I don't see your percieved lack of her quickness to be a problem. She is quicker than you believe her to be. Her straight line speed ( running the floor ) is the one area where she might be beat by a faster center on breaks. McCowan of Miss St. was actually slower and less quick than Jelena and no one seemed to focus on that because her abilities under the basket made that negative a good trade off. Your focus only on percieved negatives reflect your preferential bias only. Which is why you conversly overvalued Slocum. You focused entirely on her assets while ignoring her existing trade off liabilities. Jelena brings a lot of intangables that are valuable assets to team play. It seems that over seas players are taught fundamentals of basketball that are often ignored by players who play against sub par competition in high school. There is a huge difference girls high school basketball more than in any other type of sport. This causes them to develop some very bad habits that become developmental problems at the next level. Thanks for trying to educate me. I’ve played and coached for 40+ years. I’ll stick with my own judgment.
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Post by sparty on Dec 2, 2020 6:45:35 GMT -8
I'm guessing the reason Aleah and some of the other starters played extended minutes late in this blowout was to build conditioning for next weeks Pac-12 start where they will need to be ready for lots of minutes. Normally they have 2 months of pre-conf. games to get in shape....this year they only have 1 week of games to get in shape!....And they will need to be ready from the get-go with tough Utah up 1st this Friday....Utah was 17-1 & 6-1 Pac-12 to start last year including a 16pt thumping of Arizona, and only losing on a last second basket to ASU for their 1 loss, before losing 2 starters to injury and running into Stanford, UO, and OSU for 3 losses.....And their coach has gone on record saying this years team with 4 starters back and a top 20 recruiting class is her best team ever....So its welcome to the tough Pac-12 for 2 of our starters in Ellie and Sasha, plus Jelena and Savannah off the bench....I can only hope they are somewhat prepared for basketball wars like they have never experienced! But are all the P-12 teams in the same boat?
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Post by beaverwbb fan on Dec 2, 2020 7:48:25 GMT -8
I'm guessing the reason Aleah and some of the other starters played extended minutes late in this blowout was to build conditioning for next weeks Pac-12 start where they will need to be ready for lots of minutes. Normally they have 2 months of pre-conf. games to get in shape....this year they only have 1 week of games to get in shape!....And they will need to be ready from the get-go with tough Utah up 1st this Friday....Utah was 17-1 & 6-1 Pac-12 to start last year including a 16pt thumping of Arizona, and only losing on a last second basket to ASU for their 1 loss, before losing 2 starters to injury and running into Stanford, UO, and OSU for 3 losses.....And their coach has gone on record saying this years team with 4 starters back and a top 20 recruiting class is her best team ever....So its welcome to the tough Pac-12 for 2 of our starters in Ellie and Sasha, plus Jelena and Savannah off the bench....I can only hope they are somewhat prepared for basketball wars like they have never experienced! But are all the P-12 teams in the same boat? No. At least Utah (which had to shutdown) and Stanford (which is currently unable to practice or play in their county) are in a worse boat.
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Post by Judge Smails on Dec 2, 2020 12:51:20 GMT -8
I wasn’t denying that she has some skill. I still think there are a lot of concerns about her quickness and overall athleticism. How she will play against much better athletes is still a question mark. How players match up with certain players always remains a question. It is a question that also affects quick athletic players as well. It is obvious that your favor quick and athletic players. Athleticism can often become a handycap if it becomes a distraction to a player developing other skills. This often becomes a pattern that develops at the lower levels when an athletic player can dominate purely with their physical superiority over their competition. This applies to quick speedy players as well as the taller post players who seldom face anyone close to their size. Length and quickness/atheticism often is a trade off. One can mitigate a lack of length vial quickness and a lack of quickness via length. This is why I mentioned Jelenas proper use of distance on defense to negate her mans quickness. A tall player can negate quickness by playing off their man. The taller they are the farther the can play off of them and still challenge their shot. This is how a taller player can defend a shorter quicker player. Positioning and angles play a major part in good defense. Conversely a shorter quicker player faces the same problem but in reverse. They can use their quickness to advantage in off the ball help defense but it becomes a handy cap in on the ball defense. While height and quickness can be a real advantage in basketball, they are not the only factors at play. Hand speed and positioning also plays a major role. One also needs to remember that short people give the appearance of being quicker than taller players because of the relative length of their strides. It appears to me that you percieve shorter players to be faster than they are and taller ones as slower than they actually are. It is an optical illusion. In respect to Jelena, I don't see your percieved lack of her quickness to be a problem. She is quicker than you believe her to be. Her straight line speed ( running the floor ) is the one area where she might be beat by a faster center on breaks. McCowan of Miss St. was actually slower and less quick than Jelena and no one seemed to focus on that because her abilities under the basket made that negative a good trade off. Your focus only on percieved negatives reflect your preferential bias only. Which is why you conversly overvalued Slocum. You focused entirely on her assets while ignoring her existing trade off liabilities. Jelena brings a lot of intangables that are valuable assets to team play. It seems that over seas players are taught fundamentals of basketball that are often ignored by players who play against sub par competition in high school. There is a huge difference girls high school basketball more than in any other type of sport. This causes them to develop some very bad habits that become developmental problems at the next level. Optical illusion? Really? So Sean Mannion was just as fast as Brandin Cooks? Good grief. And you will see how much this team misses Destiny when they get pressed and Aleah becomes a turnover machine.
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Post by beaverwbb fan on Dec 2, 2020 13:04:02 GMT -8
How players match up with certain players always remains a question. It is a question that also affects quick athletic players as well. It is obvious that your favor quick and athletic players. Athleticism can often become a handycap if it becomes a distraction to a player developing other skills. This often becomes a pattern that develops at the lower levels when an athletic player can dominate purely with their physical superiority over their competition. This applies to quick speedy players as well as the taller post players who seldom face anyone close to their size. Length and quickness/atheticism often is a trade off. One can mitigate a lack of length vial quickness and a lack of quickness via length. This is why I mentioned Jelenas proper use of distance on defense to negate her mans quickness. A tall player can negate quickness by playing off their man. The taller they are the farther the can play off of them and still challenge their shot. This is how a taller player can defend a shorter quicker player. Positioning and angles play a major part in good defense. Conversely a shorter quicker player faces the same problem but in reverse. They can use their quickness to advantage in off the ball help defense but it becomes a handy cap in on the ball defense. While height and quickness can be a real advantage in basketball, they are not the only factors at play. Hand speed and positioning also plays a major role. One also needs to remember that short people give the appearance of being quicker than taller players because of the relative length of their strides. It appears to me that you percieve shorter players to be faster than they are and taller ones as slower than they actually are. It is an optical illusion. In respect to Jelena, I don't see your percieved lack of her quickness to be a problem. She is quicker than you believe her to be. Her straight line speed ( running the floor ) is the one area where she might be beat by a faster center on breaks. McCowan of Miss St. was actually slower and less quick than Jelena and no one seemed to focus on that because her abilities under the basket made that negative a good trade off. Your focus only on percieved negatives reflect your preferential bias only. Which is why you conversly overvalued Slocum. You focused entirely on her assets while ignoring her existing trade off liabilities. Jelena brings a lot of intangables that are valuable assets to team play. It seems that over seas players are taught fundamentals of basketball that are often ignored by players who play against sub par competition in high school. There is a huge difference girls high school basketball more than in any other type of sport. This causes them to develop some very bad habits that become developmental problems at the next level. Optical illusion? Really? So Sean Mannion was just as fast as Brandin Cooks? Good grief. And you will see how much this team misses Destiny when they get pressed and Aleah becomes a turnover machine. Destiny was also a turnover machine when she got pressed, I think we'll miss her ability to create shots more than her ability to protect the ball.
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Post by wbosh15 on Dec 2, 2020 13:10:59 GMT -8
Optical illusion? Really? So Sean Mannion was just as fast as Brandin Cooks? Good grief. And you will see how much this team misses Destiny when they get pressed and Aleah becomes a turnover machine. Destiny was also a turnover machine when she got pressed, I think we'll miss her ability to create shots more than her ability to protect the ball. I think Taya and Ellie will help with the press. The ability of the 4 to see over the defense and be an easy pass back if the PG gets trapped will help.
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Post by beavsteve on Dec 2, 2020 13:21:42 GMT -8
Destiny was also a turnover machine when she got pressed, I think we'll miss her ability to create shots more than her ability to protect the ball. I think Taya and Ellie will help with the press. The ability of the 4 to see over the defense and be an easy pass back if the PG gets trapped will help. Jelena too. Her team in Serbia utilized her heavily for breaking a press.
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