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Post by gobeavsgo on Sept 16, 2020 17:13:14 GMT -8
I am shocked that tinkle couldn't get bittle with all the highly touted recruits he has landed over the years. Lol
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Post by gobeavsgo on Sept 16, 2020 17:15:29 GMT -8
OSU had no chance for Bittle. FYI- his Dad is a huge duck fan and was very involved in his sons decision. The only real question was could Arizona steal him from the ducks.
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Post by Judge Smails on Sept 16, 2020 17:42:28 GMT -8
OSU had no chance for Bittle. FYI- his Dad is a huge duck fan and was very involved in his sons decision. The only real question was could Arizona steal him from the ducks. His dad is also a grade A a-hole, so there’s that. I will be interested to see how he does. He is very skilled, but needs to put on 50+ pounds to be effective in college. 6’10” 175 is not going to fare well.
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Post by osubeaver2018 on Sept 18, 2020 22:21:34 GMT -8
OSU had no chance for Bittle. FYI- his Dad is a huge duck fan and was very involved in his sons decision. The only real question was could Arizona steal him from the ducks. His dad is also a grade A a-hole, so there’s that. I will be interested to see how he does. He is very skilled, but needs to put on 50+ pounds to be effective in college. 6’10” 175 is not going to fare well. Looking at tape, stats, builds, etc. I was surprised that Bittle was the higher rated recruit between him and Gregg. Gregg seems to be the most polished and ready to make the jump to D1. Will be interesting to see how both player's careers pan out for sure.
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Nov 25, 2020 9:02:52 GMT -8
Hopefully Someday some people will quit making excuses for Tinkle's lack of recruiting skills. Other than his son and the two Thompson's tell me any other highly recruited kid Tinkle has recruited and landed in the past six years. I will wait. The last excuse was that the Thompsons and Tres took all the playing time. Well two of the three are gone and one is about out the door. Still waiting for a big time recruit. Drew Eubanks. Oregon's 2015 Mr. Basketball, 4 star recruit. Chose OSU over offers from Gonzaga, UW, WSU, ASU, Portland, SDSU, and interest from Purdue.
Alfred Hollins. 2017 4 star out of Arizona. Chose OSU over offers from ASU, Colorado, DePaul, FSU, LSU, uo, and VT. Interest from UVA, Cal, and USC.
No, the list isn't exhaustive, but I don't understand how people don't see the obvious recruiting challenges at OSU. There is no relevant history of success (1990 and earlier is now over 10 years before current recruits were even born), no geographical advantages, no large/rabid fanbase, facilities are average to slightly above average at best, the prestige of the conference is as low as it has ever been, and there isn't exactly a plethora of local talent available year in and year out.
I also don't understand knocking him for recruiting Tres and the Thompson brothers. What other coach has ever brought top 100 talent to OSU, sons or otherwise? They were here, played all four years, and poured everything they had into it. What more can you ask for out of a recruit/player?
As someone said earlier, OSU is a great place to go to school, spend your 3-5 years, and grow as a person as well as a player. What it is not, is attractive to the top 20-30 players in the country who are looking to spend 2 terms in school before jumping to the NBA. OSU will NEVER attract one and done talent (which is most of the 5 star talent everyone seems to want). It just won't happen. You can't compare recruiting in MBB and football to any other sport because they simply are entirely different beasts than the minor sports.
High profile recruits in both sports will always choose the program that gives them the most exposure for the next level (Duke, UNC, UA, Kansas, etc.). The NCAA/NBA allowing one and dones forces a program like OSU to find guys that want to commit to a program or school that they plan on being at for 3+ years, guys that want to be here for the right reasons and who are a great fit for the program the coaching staff wants to build.
Obviously I want OSU to be successful, I wanted us to land Gregg, and I do think that WT and co. have their flaws with recruiting. At the same time however, we have to realize that unfortunately we are not in a place as a program where we can demand top notch recruits year in and year out. I happen to like a lot of the guys that this staff has brought in the last two classes. I think there are some good pieces in there that can contribute and lead to some better basketball than a lot of people are expecting this upcoming season (if a season happens). Rankings aren't everything. If this staff finds the right fit of guys that want to be here I don't see any reason they can't be successful.
Tinkle had his opportunity to build this thing with GP3, his son, the Thompson's, and Eubanks. It was an uphill battle even with that pretty solid base. The thing is, those teams underperformed.....it is what it is.....just seems like his chance came and went to me
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Nov 25, 2020 12:33:34 GMT -8
GP3, Tres, Stevie and Drew played together for one season. We went to NCAAs, despite not having Tres for the final five or six games because of a broken foot. That team, which had four freshmen playing prominent roles, did not underachieve.
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Post by beaverbeliever71 on Nov 25, 2020 12:45:56 GMT -8
Drew Eubanks. Oregon's 2015 Mr. Basketball, 4 star recruit. Chose OSU over offers from Gonzaga, UW, WSU, ASU, Portland, SDSU, and interest from Purdue.
Alfred Hollins. 2017 4 star out of Arizona. Chose OSU over offers from ASU, Colorado, DePaul, FSU, LSU, uo, and VT. Interest from UVA, Cal, and USC.
No, the list isn't exhaustive, but I don't understand how people don't see the obvious recruiting challenges at OSU. There is no relevant history of success (1990 and earlier is now over 10 years before current recruits were even born), no geographical advantages, no large/rabid fanbase, facilities are average to slightly above average at best, the prestige of the conference is as low as it has ever been, and there isn't exactly a plethora of local talent available year in and year out.
I also don't understand knocking him for recruiting Tres and the Thompson brothers. What other coach has ever brought top 100 talent to OSU, sons or otherwise? They were here, played all four years, and poured everything they had into it. What more can you ask for out of a recruit/player?
As someone said earlier, OSU is a great place to go to school, spend your 3-5 years, and grow as a person as well as a player. What it is not, is attractive to the top 20-30 players in the country who are looking to spend 2 terms in school before jumping to the NBA. OSU will NEVER attract one and done talent (which is most of the 5 star talent everyone seems to want). It just won't happen. You can't compare recruiting in MBB and football to any other sport because they simply are entirely different beasts than the minor sports.
High profile recruits in both sports will always choose the program that gives them the most exposure for the next level (Duke, UNC, UA, Kansas, etc.). The NCAA/NBA allowing one and dones forces a program like OSU to find guys that want to commit to a program or school that they plan on being at for 3+ years, guys that want to be here for the right reasons and who are a great fit for the program the coaching staff wants to build.
Obviously I want OSU to be successful, I wanted us to land Gregg, and I do think that WT and co. have their flaws with recruiting. At the same time however, we have to realize that unfortunately we are not in a place as a program where we can demand top notch recruits year in and year out. I happen to like a lot of the guys that this staff has brought in the last two classes. I think there are some good pieces in there that can contribute and lead to some better basketball than a lot of people are expecting this upcoming season (if a season happens). Rankings aren't everything. If this staff finds the right fit of guys that want to be here I don't see any reason they can't be successful.
Tinkle had his opportunity to build this thing with GP3, his son, the Thompson's, and Eubanks. It was an uphill battle even with that pretty solid base. The thing is, those teams underperformed.....it is what it is.....just seems like his chance came and went to me Who's GP3?.. you mean GP2?
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Nov 25, 2020 13:03:10 GMT -8
Tinkle had his opportunity to build this thing with GP3, his son, the Thompson's, and Eubanks. It was an uphill battle even with that pretty solid base. The thing is, those teams underperformed.....it is what it is.....just seems like his chance came and went to me Who's GP3?.. you mean GP2? Haha yea, I'm not not sure how I got the 3 in there....prolly should proofread my posts better.
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Nov 25, 2020 13:18:36 GMT -8
GP3, Tres, Stevie and Drew played together for one season. We went to NCAAs, despite not having Tres for the final five or six games because of a broken foot. That team, which had four freshmen playing prominent roles, did not underachieve. I get what you're saying. Big picture though, it's disappointing that he hasn't been able to build recruiting, and build the program from having an initial injection of talent.....and some of the breaks didn't go our way.....and we just never seem to have the talent depth that the better pac 12 programs have, to sustain a season.....I just think he had his window of opportunity, and its kind of passed.....unless you think he's going to all the sudden attract some difference making talent with options?? I like Tinkle. I think he's a good guy. I just don't think he's going to take this program any further at this point.....Andi get that it's not an easy task......which is why Pat Casey is a coaching legend.
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Post by nabeav on Dec 2, 2020 11:08:32 GMT -8
I just don't think he's going to take this program any further at this point.....Andi get that it's not an easy task......which is why Pat Casey is a coaching legend. Pat Casey's conference record at OSU from 1995 to 2004: 119 - 131. He had a full decade of mediocre results before he even made tournament. OSU baseball went to the NCAA tournament in 1986, so he had even more recent program success to draw on than Tinkle did when he took over. I'm not saying Tinkle is going to deliver three NCAA championships. I'm just saying Pat Casey never becomes Pat Casey if we don't give him a full decade of leash to sort things out. Craig Robinson - six seasons Jay John - six seasons Ritchie McKay - two seasons Eddie Payne - five seasons Jimmy Anderson - six seasons Ralph Miller - didn't make an NCAA tournament until season five. Didn't make his second until season ten, then made seven in ten years. Paul Valenti - six seasons Slats Gill winning percentage years 1-10: 591 Slats Gill winning percentage years 11-20: .645 Slats Gill winning percentage years 21-30: .453 Slats Gill winning percentage years 31-36: .699 Give a guy some time. the changing coaches every half decade or so just doesn't work.
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Post by spudbeaver on Dec 2, 2020 11:36:23 GMT -8
I just don't think he's going to take this program any further at this point.....Andi get that it's not an easy task......which is why Pat Casey is a coaching legend. Pat Casey's conference record at OSU from 1995 to 2004: 119 - 131. He had a full decade of mediocre results before he even made tournament. OSU baseball went to the NCAA tournament in 1986, so he had even more recent program success to draw on than Tinkle did when he took over. I'm not saying Tinkle is going to deliver three NCAA championships. I'm just saying Pat Casey never becomes Pat Casey if we don't give him a full decade of leash to sort things out. Craig Robinson - six seasons Jay John - six seasons Ritchie McKay - two seasons Eddie Payne - five seasons Jimmy Anderson - six seasons Ralph Miller - didn't make an NCAA tournament until season five. Didn't make his second until season ten, then made seven in ten years. Paul Valenti - six seasons Slats Gill winning percentage years 1-10: 591 Slats Gill winning percentage years 11-20: .645 Slats Gill winning percentage years 21-30: .453 Slats Gill winning percentage years 31-36: .699 Give a guy some time. the changing coaches every half decade or so just doesn't work. That's good info. Thanks.
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Post by gnawitall on Dec 3, 2020 7:57:55 GMT -8
Tinkle had his opportunity to build this thing with GP3, his son, the Thompson's, and Eubanks. It was an uphill battle even with that pretty solid base. The thing is, those teams underperformed.....it is what it is.....just seems like his chance came and went to me Who's GP3?.. you mean GP2? Haaaaa... I was afraid I missed a thread so let it go.
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