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Post by Werebeaver on Jul 3, 2020 10:29:29 GMT -8
Why is that ludicrous? If she wants to pursue a Masters in a field that OSU doesn't offer, why wouldn't she transfer? Try living in another area of the country? Be nearer her boyfriend? Who knows? There are many possible reasons. Why did Ellie Mack leave a program where she had become the conference's player of the year? Mack had to leave. Bucknell does not allow athletes to have a fifth year. Seems odd. NCAA rules allow Div 1 student-athletes 5 years to complete 4 seasons of eligibility. I'll admit I'm no expert on these matters. But I don't think member institutions can unilaterally impose such a limit (4 to play 4) on top of NCAA rules.
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Post by beaverwbb fan on Jul 3, 2020 10:50:29 GMT -8
Mack had to leave. Bucknell does not allow athletes to have a fifth year. Seems odd. NCAA rules allow Div 1 student-athletes 5 years to complete 4 seasons of eligibility. I'll admit I'm no expert on these matters. But I don't think member institutions can unilaterally impose such a limit (4 to play 4) on top of NCAA rules. It’s the patriot league as a whole actually: oregonstate.rivals.com/news/wbb-grad-transfer-ellie-mack-excited-for-new-adventure-at-oregon-state“With the Patriot League having a rule in place that doesn't allow for fifth-year seniors or grad-transfers to participate in sports, Mack knew that she was in need of a home for her final season and Rueck sold her on having a brand new outlook on the game.”
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Post by TheGlove on Jul 3, 2020 10:51:15 GMT -8
That's ludicrous. Thanks for the laugh, though. Why is that ludicrous? If she wants to pursue a Masters in a field that OSU doesn't offer, why wouldn't she transfer? Try living in another area of the country? Be nearer her boyfriend? Who knows? There are many possible reasons. Why did Ellie Mack leave a program where she had become the conference's player of the year? Thanks for the rational reply.
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Post by Werebeaver on Jul 3, 2020 10:57:13 GMT -8
Seems odd. NCAA rules allow Div 1 student-athletes 5 years to complete 4 seasons of eligibility. I'll admit I'm no expert on these matters. But I don't think member institutions can unilaterally impose such a limit (4 to play 4) on top of NCAA rules. It’s the patriot league as a whole actually: oregonstate.rivals.com/news/wbb-grad-transfer-ellie-mack-excited-for-new-adventure-at-oregon-state“With the Patriot League having a rule in place that doesn't allow for fifth-year seniors or grad-transfers to participate in sports, Mack knew that she was in need of a home for her final season and Rueck sold her on having a brand new outlook on the game.” Very good. Thank you.
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Post by ag87 on Jul 3, 2020 11:09:47 GMT -8
Why is that ludicrous? If she wants to pursue a Masters in a field that OSU doesn't offer, why wouldn't she transfer? Try living in another area of the country? Be nearer her boyfriend? Who knows? There are many possible reasons. Why did Ellie Mack leave a program where she had become the conference's player of the year? Thanks for the rational reply. Navy and Army are in that league. And they don't allow a fifth year but I thought I read where, in a few cases, they had.
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Post by Werebeaver on Jul 3, 2020 11:30:01 GMT -8
Thanks for the rational reply. Navy and Army are in that league. And they don't allow a fifth year but I thought I read where, in a few cases, they had. Lehigh is in that league. Former OSU NCAA champion wrestler Greg Strobel was head coach there for many years and had 6 top-10 NCAA team finishes (w/ 2 individual champions) working within that self-imposed limit. Impressive.
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Post by ag87 on Jul 3, 2020 12:06:31 GMT -8
Navy and Army are in that league. And they don't allow a fifth year but I thought I read where, in a few cases, they had. Lehigh is in that league. Former OSU NCAA champion wrestler Greg Strobel was head coach there for many years and had 6 top-10 NCAA team finishes (w/ 2 individual champions) working within that self-imposed limit. Impressive. Strobel was my high school typing teacher, sophomore year, 78-79.
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Post by beavs6 on Jul 3, 2020 15:26:47 GMT -8
Assumptions are that if she was granted another year she’d stay at OSU and not grad transfer? OK. But being that you are running an OSU Beavers message board, can we not agree that our hope is another year of eligibility will be good for Kat, the team(OSU WBB) and OSU fans?
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Post by TheGlove on Jul 3, 2020 16:46:50 GMT -8
Assumptions are that if she was granted another year she’d stay at OSU and not grad transfer? OK. But being that you are running an OSU Beavers message board, can we not agree that our hope is another year of eligibility will be good for Kat, the team(OSU WBB) and OSU fans? “We” can agree on whatever “we” want. Not sure why some people took issue with my question.
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Post by bvrbooster on Jul 3, 2020 16:50:42 GMT -8
That's very strange. That means there's no such thing as a redshirt in that league, medical or otherwise.
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Post by willtalk on Jul 3, 2020 17:09:36 GMT -8
I was certainly hoping that the Tudors would take this action. Under the circumstances, it seemed the logical thing to do in respect to what would be best in respect to Kats future. The family knows what they are doing. I would hope the lawyer adds the aspect of Kats loss of playing time hurting her financial future in respect to the game. She really needed a full healthy last season. Reputation means quite a bit in Woman's professional ball. As I mentioned in past posts Kats unique skill set gives her a better chance than even superior players in the game. I had thought that perhaps she might not want to put in the extra year and just deal with the situation as it played out. But the situation now makes that extra year less costly because of the effect it had on new players coming into the professional leagues.
I really feel sorry for the situation it put MP in. With the subpar 3pt shooting season and lack of a tournament to turn things around, she literally had no chance to make a WNBA roster. That along with the shortened season it makes it hard for any rookie to make a club let alone someone in the third round. Pivec is a far better player than her last season showed and when someone like her is taken makes a big difference in the opportunities they get to make a team. You don't do it in training camp, because it is to short.
I personally believe that Kat has a good opportunity to get that other year. I do feel they have to bring in how it hurts her professional career. If the NCAA is smart they will settle this quickly, because any litigation in that respect could open up a can of worms that they do not want to deal with. One important role of college is to prepare and give students an opportunity for their chosen vocation. College ball not only servers the purpose of developing players' skills but also provides the exposure they need to get the opportunities to get a job. Not allowing Kat or any other player to get at least four years of training and the exposure that comes from playing interferes with the purpose and goal of higher education. Under this premise, they are obligated to err on the side of the student's best interest. Hearing that they are taking this to court has made my week.
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Post by zeroposter on Jul 3, 2020 17:22:49 GMT -8
Navy and Army are in that league. And they don't allow a fifth year but I thought I read where, in a few cases, they had. Lehigh is in that league. Former OSU NCAA champion wrestler Greg Strobel was head coach there for many years and had 6 top-10 NCAA team finishes (w/ 2 individual champions) working within that self-imposed limit. Impressive. Lehigh doesn't wrestle in the Patriot League. Just browsing the boards and that popped up. The Patriot League could add a couple of powerhouse wrestling programs, but the 5th year item comes into play. Way off topic, but interesting.
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Post by beavershoopsfan on Jul 3, 2020 18:10:12 GMT -8
"I really feel sorry for the situation it put MP in. With the subpar 3pt shooting season and lack of a tournament to turn things around, she literally had no chance to make a WNBA roster. That along with the shortened season it makes it hard for any rookie to make a club let alone someone in the third round. Pivec is a far better player than her last season showed and when someone like her is taken makes a big difference in the opportunities they get to make a team. You don't do it in training camp, because it is to short."
I agree with what willtalk posts above about Kat having a solid chance at being granted another season by the NCAA and that her pro opportunities will be enhanced if she returns to OSU and has a solid final season in '20-'21.
Pivec was the only player in women's D1 basketball this past season to average at least 14/9/4 with her averages of 14.8/9.3/4.5 for the Beavs during '19-'20. She shot over 50% from the field overall and 36% (down from 42% her junior year) from distance while being named All-Pac-12 again and was named by the PAC-12 coaches to the PAC-12 All-Defensive team. I am sure that she wanted her team to fare better than 23-9 and would have preferred to have been drafted higher in April, but her play was consistently strong throughout the season and we know that she brings the effort every single game.
I believe Pivec that would have made the Atlanta Dream roster this season ahead of Blake Dietrich if a competitive competitive training camp had been held. I have a feeling that she will make a WNBA roster before she turns to medicine for her profession after her basketball career has been completed.
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Post by beavs6 on Jul 3, 2020 18:40:25 GMT -8
OK. But being that you are running an OSU Beavers message board, can we not agree that our hope is another year of eligibility will be good for Kat, the team(OSU WBB) and OSU fans? “We” can agree on whatever “we” want. Not sure why some people took issue with my question. F then. No we. Me and my mouse I guess. "We"..."Is"...whatever. OK Bill.
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Post by Judge Smails on Jul 3, 2020 18:48:48 GMT -8
Assumptions are that if she was granted another year she’d stay at OSU and not grad transfer? OK. But being that you are running an OSU Beavers message board, can we not agree that our hope is another year of eligibility will be good for Kat, the team(OSU WBB) and OSU fans? No, because she’s not that good. Let it go Kat.
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