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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jun 11, 2020 13:26:08 GMT -8
What's stopping all the people forced out of work (you keep bringing them up) from getting a job in another line of work that is desperate for workers? Translation: "Learn to code!" Medical coding is a good profession right now, I am sure.
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Post by TheGlove on Jun 11, 2020 13:39:37 GMT -8
What's stopping all the people forced out of work (you keep bringing them up) from getting a job in another line of work that is desperate for workers? Translation: "Learn to code!" Learn to bag! groceries.
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Post by spudbeaver on Jun 11, 2020 13:45:56 GMT -8
Ok, I keep presenting facts and statistics only to receive emotion and opinion back. So here is from Washington State. I see no spike in hospitalizations. www.doh.wa.gov/Emergencies/CoronavirusDate Hospitals Reporting Total COVID-19 Patients Hospitalized Total COVID-19 Patients Intubated 6/3/2020 90 285 91 6/4/2020 87 247 86 6/5/2020 83 205 57 6/6/2020 71 213 66 6/7/2020 70 205 60 6/8/2020 99 238 92 6/9/2020 93 226 63 Confirmed Cases, Hospitalizations and Deaths by Age For Irimi: Age Group Percent of Cases Percent of Hospitalizations Percent of Deaths 0-19 7% 1% 0% 20-39 33% 11% 2% 40-59 33% 27% 9% 60-79 19% 39% 38% 80+ 8% 22% 51% Unknown 0% 0% 0%
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Post by atownbeaver on Jun 11, 2020 13:48:54 GMT -8
Translation: "Learn to code!" Medical coding is a good profession right now, I am sure. Nope. For the first time in all of modern history, health care is not "recession proof". Every major health system, clinic and hospital in the state and nation wide are cutting jobs and hours.
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Post by spudbeaver on Jun 11, 2020 13:49:59 GMT -8
Medical coding is a good profession right now, I am sure. With all the hospital/healthcare layoffs and furloughs ... not really at all. Good point. I heard a rep from the nurses union in Oregon talk about all the nurses that had to be laid off, especially in low population places because there was no work to be done. My poor mother in law had hip replacement replacement (yes, wore the first one out) and the fit wasn't right. She first dislocated it Christmas Eve. When it was determined they had to go back and do repair work it was considered elective surgery. She subsequently dislocated it 4 or 5 more times. Horribly painful, expensive, contact with paramedics, etc. Made no sense. She just got in a couple weeks ago to get it done and is doing great. What a waste.
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Post by TheGlove on Jun 11, 2020 13:51:32 GMT -8
If they own a small business and are still running it, how does that put them "out of work?" Sounds like they are working to me. Then you bring up "a second job." Do they still have their first job (running their small business) or don't they? Out of income maybe? And yes, I suggest that they could find work/income elsewhere, in the short term to help keep things afloat. In response to your post, I am Jim Mora level indignant: Respectfully, your suggestion is more asinine than the reporter's question there. Yes, they are out of income, but they still have to provide for themselves and their employees to make sure that their employees do not run off to find another job. Doing that normally is a full-time job. Doing it while scrounging for income to make it all work is basically three jobs. And now, they are supposed to pick up what amounts to a fourth job to make it all work? That is seriously your response? We hate people that actually innovate and work hard. How dare they create good-paying jobs. They should be punished. It is thinking like that that almost allowed China to become the largest economy on Earth. #MAGA
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Post by irimi on Jun 11, 2020 13:56:15 GMT -8
It should be noted that in the state of Oregon, 20-29 year olds lead all other age groups for contracting COVID-19. Now, you can say that only old people are dying from it. And you can say that young people won’t die from it. And you can try to argue that they will be in a safer environment on campus than not. But the numbers show that they will get it. And odds are, they will spread it. So even if you don’t care about the players, even if you think they won’t be pressured into playing, even if you think their scholarship is worth it, you cannot argue that a football season will not prolong the COVID 19 situation. If you’re OK with killing the economy more, then yeah, we should have a football season. But all I care about are the athletes and their situation. You guys care about the money. Figure it out. Contracting (in actuality "testing positive" for) and then what?
I'll give you a little hint .....
NOTHING ...
whatsoever.
LOL! Except that the goddamned virus will still be circulating, still be killing others. But whatever.
You guys are interesting, but I'm weary of the subject.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jun 11, 2020 13:56:29 GMT -8
Medical coding is a good profession right now, I am sure. Nope. For the first time in all of modern history, health care is not "recession proof". Every major health system, clinic and hospital in the state and nation wide are cutting jobs and hours. There were 390,000 new health care jobs in May? I would guess that means that there is at least one major health system, clinic or hospital that was hiring in May? I know that the March and April numbers were down because of the national overreaction to coronavirus. (Or maybe we did it just right, and I am bitter? It is going to take a year or two to figure this all out, but, right now, I am bitter.)
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Post by atownbeaver on Jun 11, 2020 13:56:57 GMT -8
There is a pretty severe data lag on that dashboard it appears for just the hospitalization tab. If you look at the bottom three hospital related metrics, all indicate increases in utilization. There is a note on the top that indicates they are experiencing issues with the dashboard. On June 6th the AZ dept of health officially sent a letter to all hospitals instructing them to once again activate their emergency plans and prepare to shut elective procedures back down. They did note they are reporting 1,412 more cases today. looking at their positive case per day dashboard is not encouraging. Correlation is not causation. Arizona had two consecutive weeks of week-over decreases in coronavirus. However, that ended after May 28, 2020. What happened on the 28th? The George Floyd riots started in earnest on that day. Since then, new cases have risen 248%! If it had not been for the riots, I believe that you would have seen coronavirus cases continue their downward trek. I wasn't offering a cause. I was noting the official communication of the Arizona Department of Health that instructed its hospitals to re-engage it's emergency plans because they are experiencing increased hospitalizations. no more, no less. I was also noting that one part of the dashboard appeared to have an issue, while other parts were showing more recent data. Are the riots the likely cause of the spike, or a major contributor? of course they are, but It doesn't matter, because what it shows is a bunch of people in close quarters for an extended period of time is still spreading the disease. Be it shouting at the man, or high five-ing a touchdown. Put people shoulder to shoulder for a period of time and you are creating an environment to spread the disease. I am still pro "open reser" but we all should take stock in the fact we are no means out of the wood on COVID. Reser capacity needs to be reduced, of that I am sure. we need some screening and reasonable precautions, of that I am sure. but should we cancel the whole thing? no, of that I am also sure. In all of this is still room for common sense.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jun 11, 2020 14:12:14 GMT -8
Medical coding is a good profession right now, I am sure. Nope. For the first time in all of modern history, health care is not "recession proof". Every major health system, clinic and hospital in the state and nation wide are cutting jobs and hours. And that's largely because politicians made the decision to stop "elective" health care. Hopefully they won't do that again.
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Post by helpyhelperton on Jun 11, 2020 14:31:52 GMT -8
Ok, I keep presenting facts and statistics only to receive emotion and opinion back. So here is from Washington State. I see no spike in hospitalizations. www.doh.wa.gov/Emergencies/CoronavirusDate Hospitals Reporting Total COVID-19 Patients Hospitalized Total COVID-19 Patients Intubated 6/3/2020 90 285 91 6/4/2020 87 247 86 6/5/2020 83 205 57 6/6/2020 71 213 66 6/7/2020 70 205 60 6/8/2020 99 238 92 6/9/2020 93 226 63 Looks like a plateau.
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Post by helpyhelperton on Jun 11, 2020 14:34:24 GMT -8
Nope. For the first time in all of modern history, health care is not "recession proof". Every major health system, clinic and hospital in the state and nation wide are cutting jobs and hours. There were 390,000 new health care jobs in May? I would guess that means that there is at least one major health system, clinic or hospital that was hiring in May? Looks like your innovative relatives should have chosen another line of work.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2020 14:59:26 GMT -8
They have a choice while many cant even go to work. So many aren't even given a chance to make a good or bad decision. What's stopping all the people forced out of work (you keep bringing them up) from getting a job in another line of work that is desperate for workers? all of the 20 million private sector employees forced out of work cant get a job that pays them anywhere near what they were making before especially small business owners that drive the country's economy and those that can go back to work wont because they are making more on unemployment. So i dont believe "all" people can go back to work especially in rural areas of our country
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Post by atownbeaver on Jun 11, 2020 15:05:34 GMT -8
Nope. For the first time in all of modern history, health care is not "recession proof". Every major health system, clinic and hospital in the state and nation wide are cutting jobs and hours. There were 390,000 new health care jobs in May? I would guess that means that there is at least one major health system, clinic or hospital that was hiring in May? I know that the March and April numbers were down because of the national overreaction to coronavirus. (Or maybe we did it just right, and I am bitter? It is going to take a year or two to figure this all out, but, right now, I am bitter.) look down one more line to specifically health care, not health care + social services on the BLS site. (though the same general trend is present) Yes, up 312,000 jobs since April, still net down nearly 1,000,000 jobs compared to May 2019. and net down 1.2 million from March 2020. Laid off people are being hired back, yes, we are still below a year ago, below 3 months ago, and off trend.
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Post by helpyhelperton on Jun 11, 2020 15:16:25 GMT -8
What's stopping all the people forced out of work (you keep bringing them up) from getting a job in another line of work that is desperate for workers? all of the 20 million private sector employees forced out of work cant get a job that pays them anywhere near what they were making before especially small business owners that drive the country's economy and those that can go back to work wont because they are making more on unemployment. So i dont believe "all" people can go back to work especially in rural areas of our country I didn't see anyone say that "all" people can go back to work. And no one said they would be able to make as much as before. And it looks like, according to you, a lot of them are happy taking unemployment.
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