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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jun 10, 2020 14:19:30 GMT -8
The NCAA will change the rules so that football players and fans will be using zorb balls this season. Problem solved.
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Post by spudbeaver on Jun 10, 2020 14:19:42 GMT -8
So you think football would start but the rest of the students wouldn't come back to school? I'm confused. And of course they do get compensated by receiving a free college education, but that's another story. I’ve seen what OSU hopes to have happen in the Fall concerning classes. They will take precautions. Large classes will be held online. And I think classes held in the classroom are supposed to keep social distance. Teachers and students will wear masks. Stuff like that. Practical steps. I don’t want college football to happen yet. COVID 19 is still active in the US and cases continue to rise. The need for football is minimal, yet as a strenuous contact sport, the odds of passing a virus from one to another are high. Also, factor in the amount of traveling that teams do. It’s insane. Yes, the college boys will not die from COVID, but the long-term effects are unknown. To think in terms of life or death devalues their very existence. So the real question comes down to why are you willing to risk the health of college athletes? Why do you think the NCAA will not make a decision based primarily upon dollar signs? Let the kids study this year. Let the pros figure out if it is practical to start back up. "...why are you willing to risk the health of college athletes?" This is simple. Because I don't believe the same things you believe about Covid 19. I believe all people in a low-risk group (college students and athletes) should get back to normal life. You disagree. Fine. I do agree that the NCAA will only make decisions based on dollar signs however, which is one of the reasons why at the beginning of this whole thing I posted here (and I was in the minority) that there will be football played this year. Plus, always remember what Cardale Jones said:   |
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Post by irimi on Jun 10, 2020 15:27:11 GMT -8
I’ve seen what OSU hopes to have happen in the Fall concerning classes. They will take precautions. Large classes will be held online. And I think classes held in the classroom are supposed to keep social distance. Teachers and students will wear masks. Stuff like that. Practical steps. I don’t want college football to happen yet. COVID 19 is still active in the US and cases continue to rise. The need for football is minimal, yet as a strenuous contact sport, the odds of passing a virus from one to another are high. Also, factor in the amount of traveling that teams do. It’s insane. Yes, the college boys will not die from COVID, but the long-term effects are unknown. To think in terms of life or death devalues their very existence. So the real question comes down to why are you willing to risk the health of college athletes? Why do you think the NCAA will not make a decision based primarily upon dollar signs? Let the kids study this year. Let the pros figure out if it is practical to start back up. "...why are you willing to risk the health of college athletes?" This is simple. Because I don't believe the same things you believe about Covid 19. I believe all people in a low-risk group (college students and athletes) should get back to normal life. You disagree. Fine. I do agree that the NCAA will only make decisions based on dollar signs however, which is one of the reasons why at the beginning of this whole thing I posted here (and I was in the minority) that there will be football played this year. Plus, always remember what Cardale Jones said: For me it comes down to this: what exactly is in the best interest of the athlete. Nothing more, nothing less. Logically, there are four possible outcomes. 1. Keep the season; COVID disappears. Yay. 2. Keep the season; COVID remains.  ? 3. Cancel the season; COVID disappears. Crap, shoulda coulda woulda. 4. Cancel the season; COVID remains. Whew! We can speculate about #2 all day long. No one knows, except that the conditions would be very good for cross-contamination among players. Players will be infected. They probably won’t die from that infection, but I’ve read that COVID is no walk in the park. It seems to me that keeping the season is only a win if COVID disappears. Certainly, experts don’t expect it to; rather, they expect it to return in the Fall. As I stated above, I only care about the athlete. The question about money will be answered by a few men who already have too much money, not the vendors or the guys who make $10 off of parking. And in my experience, the one thing people with money care about is making more money. I fully expect the NCAA to approve a football season of some form. Football means a lot of money to some people. I would prefer that they stood by those values they champion and put the student first. |
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Post by irimi on Jun 10, 2020 15:29:54 GMT -8
I’ve seen what OSU hopes to have happen in the Fall concerning classes. They will take precautions. Large classes will be held online. And I think classes held in the classroom are supposed to keep social distance. Teachers and students will wear masks. Stuff like that. Practical steps. I don’t want college football to happen yet. COVID 19 is still active in the US and cases continue to rise. The need for football is minimal, yet as a strenuous contact sport, the odds of passing a virus from one to another are high. Also, factor in the amount of traveling that teams do. It’s insane. Yes, the college boys will not die from COVID, but the long-term effects are unknown. To think in terms of life or death devalues their very existence. So the real question comes down to why are you willing to risk the health of college athletes? Why do you think the NCAA will not make a decision based primarily upon dollar signs? Let the kids study this year. Let the pros figure out if it is practical to start back up. "...why are you willing to risk the health of college athletes?" This is simple. Because I don't believe the same things you believe about Covid 19. I believe all people in a low-risk group (college students and athletes) should get back to normal life. You disagree. Fine. I do agree that the NCAA will only make decisions based on dollar signs however, which is one of the reasons why at the beginning of this whole thing I posted here (and I was in the minority) that there will be football played this year. Plus, always remember what Cardale Jones said: By the way, I agree with Cardale Jones, but I take the opposite side. Let’s make our football players truly STUDENT-athletes. Defund the football programs! LOL! |
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Post by irimi on Jun 10, 2020 15:42:54 GMT -8
I’m not asking for it both ways. If NCAA says there’s no football, no scholarships, kids gotta pay, then at least the kids have a decision to make that doesn’t involve their health. Sit out a year or study a year. No harm, no foul. In 2021, assuming things are back to normal, they pick up where they were. It’s a great option because no one gets hurt, except those who profit from the game. If the COVID situation remains like this and they decide to have a football season, it should really make you wonder. But, as stated, kids do profit from the game. Most can not afford to pay for school. You seem to be isolating football because you personally see it as unnecessary, entertainment. It's not so to many players and their families. You're painting a picture very close to indentured servitude. These kids have a choice. The same you stated if there was no football. The risk of other injuries are greater than Covid. The life long effects of concussions are proven, Covid is not and pure conjecture at this point. Should football be stopped until these issues are resolved? Student athletes will actually be in a safer, more controlled environment than at home. Personal viewpoint explained and understood. But, you see this from a very narrow perspective. Not wrong, mind you. Just very shortsighted to those that are directly affected. I focus on football because this is the football board and because we all know that there is the most at stake, economically speaking. The money from football is huge, for the NCAA, the colleges and universities, for Nike et al., for communities, for Vegas, for TV, and so on. A young man, as I’ve said before, will not make a logical decision. Would you? Nah, at that age, we are invincible. Further, look at the crap I’m getting from you guys for just suggesting it. Now imagine how a player would be treated by his teammates if he opted out of the season. Can’t you see that you’re putting them in a terrible spot? Finally an excellent point! Should we put football on hold until more is understood about concussions? Exactly how is a student-athlete going to be in a safer, more controlled environment than at home? Let’s say you play for Wazzu which has had just a handful of COVID cases. But the Bruins come up for a game. You spend probably 45 minutes on the field up close and personal with players coming from a heavily infected part of California. Safer than at home with Mom and Dad? Nope. Who is more directly affected than the men on the field? By the way, the claim that college football is similar to indentured servitude is not new, nor should it surprise you. I, however, abstain from making this claim because it isn’t necessary. Simply putting yourself in the shoes of the young men ought to be enough to realize what a pickle they are in if COVID doesn’t go away and if the season is on. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jun 10, 2020 18:04:34 GMT -8
So, so far 114,000 Americans (a number most experts believe is undercounted, perhaps by at least 50%) hysterically overreacted by dying? The nerve of those people.
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Post by spudbeaver on Jun 10, 2020 18:38:45 GMT -8
Either way this is a tired argument. People believe what they believe and they’re not changing their minds.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jun 10, 2020 19:04:00 GMT -8
So, so far 114,000 Americans (a number most experts believe is undercounted, perhaps by at least 50%) hysterically overreacted by dying? The nerve of those people. How many of those under 30, again?
Crickets WHAT?
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Post by spudbeaver on Jun 10, 2020 19:31:57 GMT -8
So, older people dying don't count? Good to know. What does that have to do with "putting at risk" college students and athletes?
Try to keep up.
Henry just wants those of us with a different point of view to admit that we hate old and vulnerable people. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jun 11, 2020 0:54:11 GMT -8
Nope. Believe what you want to believe. Why, some people even believe a frail 75-year-old guy was an "ANTIFA provocateur,"scanning police communications in order to black out the equipment, with the ability to fake a concussion and bleed out of his ears when he got knocked on his keyster.
But enacting reasonable safety protocols to lessen the impact of a virus that has already killed 114,000 Americans, with no end in sight at the moment, is not "a complete overreaction hysteria."
College-age kids do not seem vulnerable to fatal cases of the Covid. True. Now can you guarantee they will have no contact with the older, vulnerable age group?
I can keep up just fine.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2020 6:27:09 GMT -8
Every college athlete on scholarship gets paid to be on the team So playing college football is not their livelihood; it’s their education. it should be. |
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Post by spudbeaver on Jun 11, 2020 6:29:34 GMT -8
Nope. Believe what you want to believe. Why, some people even believe a frail 75-year-old guy was an "ANTIFA provocateur,"scanning police communications in order to black out the equipment, with the ability to fake a concussion and bleed out of his ears when he got knocked on his keyster. But enacting reasonable safety protocols to lessen the impact of a virus that has already killed 114,000 Americans, with no end in sight at the moment, is not "a complete overreaction hysteria." College-age kids do not seem vulnerable to fatal cases of the Covid. True. Now can you guarantee they will have no contact with the older, vulnerable age group? I can keep up just fine. Weird direction to switch to, but ok. I found this interesting. Compare the death counts to Oregon and Washington. bestlifeonline.com/states-never-went-into-lockdown/By the way. Can you guarantee students will have no contact with the older, vulnerable age group by staying home? Of course you can’t. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2020 6:37:37 GMT -8
I have yet to meet one student athlete that is required, mandated to step on a field or court. They can be like most students and simply be students and pay their own way. Really its as simple as that. You’re wrong. By saying this, you realize that you put the student in a terrible position. He simply wants to play ball. Probably more than we want him to play ball. So he will, if given the opportunity. Do you think a young man would make the best decision in such a scenario, especially when adults can’t seem to think logically about it? The student shouldn’t be left to make a damned if you do, damned if you don’t sort of choice. But that’s exactly what you are saying. They have a choice while many cant even go to work. So many aren't even given a chance to make a good or bad decision. Many young adults their age are worried about earning a living not playing football and they cant right now. Its a game i would put things in perspective, college football is not that important relative to what's going on in this country today. |
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Post by atownbeaver on Jun 11, 2020 7:14:02 GMT -8
So, so far 114,000 Americans (a number most experts believe is undercounted, perhaps by at least 50%) hysterically overreacted by dying? The nerve of those people. Actually some experts think it's exaggerated. Many who have died of other causes but test positive for Covid have the COD listed as Covid. No one knows, nor ever will, the actual #s... sick or deaths. That's part of the hysteria mentioned. The reverse is also true. |
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Post by atownbeaver on Jun 11, 2020 7:16:10 GMT -8
All I know is statewide Arizona just had to re-enact emergency surge capacity protocols for their hospitals because they re-opened with little to no restrictions. It only took three weeks to surge again.
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