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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2020 15:06:37 GMT -8
As of a few days ago, maybe even now, the WHO was recommending masks only for people showing symptoms. Admitting non-symptomatic people could spread the disease would be counter to that message. Hopefully they aren't vested in being correct. Who's primary accomplishment has been covering up for China who failed to communicate the contagious nature of covid. They are complicit in the world wide spread of this. Some countries have handled it better but all countries have suffered both in terms of loss of life and the dessimation of their economies. Most of these health experts are employed beuracrats that have a vested interest in promoting a panic and most of them have been wrong. Know if your at risk, protect at risk people in long care facilities, test and go back to governing rather than extending the dictatorships powers that many love and dont want to give up |
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Post by ag87 on Jun 9, 2020 16:56:20 GMT -8
I have no dog in the WHO fight, but I think we should stick to the facts. Fact check: - Yes there's alot going on around the globe and to keep this less political I'll not comment on all the red-herrings you threw out, but the "needle in the haystack" could have and should have been picked up by the Global Health Security team. The problem is that it was disbanded in 2018. www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2018/05/10/top-white-house-official-in-charge-of-pandemic-response-exits-abruptly/- WHO director is actually a Doctor. A Phd, but still a doctor and one with extensive experience in public health. - "For the first time in its seventy-year history, the World Health Organization (WHO) will, effective July 1, be led by a nonphysician, an African, and a person from the global South. Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus of Ethiopia campaigned in an unprecedented election that gave 186 nations equal voice and saw three globetrotting candidates plead their cases. In the past, the director-general of the WHO was selected in a secretive and elite process by the thirty-four members of its executive committee. This year, the entire World Health Assembly voted in three rounds of written, secret ballots; Tedros, as he prefers to be called, emerged victorious on May 23 carrying two-thirds of the votes. Tedros has a PhD in community health and has served as his nation’s minister of health and of foreign affairs..." www.cfr.org/expert-brief/change-guard-who- China picking the WHO director is your opinion, not a fact for which I could find any evidence. Prove me wrong. You have four bullet-pointed "Fact check" points. I will address them in order. First bullet-point. Your article is from the Washington Post, which I do not subscribe to. Your terms are inexact, so it is difficult to figure out what you are getting at. Rear Admiral R. Timothy Ziemer, who is mentioned in the article, was the Senior Director for Global Health Security and Biodefense. The Global Health Security and Biodefense team operated in 31 countries, but one of those countries that it definitively did not operate was China, so the idea that they would have been helpful in identifying and working on a front-line disease to stop a disease in China seems far-fetched to the point of being ridiculous in my opinion. Second and third bullet-points. Semantics. Fun! Everyone who has a doctorate is not a doctor. I have a doctorate, but I cannot call myself a doctor. (There are actually rules against it.) As for Tedros, he has a PhD in Community Health from the University of Nottingham (tied with OHSU as the 152nd-best University in the World). As he is in medical politics and not academia, I do not believe that he should be called "doctor." But that is my opinion. You can call Tedros doctor, if you would like. Extensive public experience? Seriously? Starting in 1986, Tedros was a member of the Derg, the Communist leaders of Ethiopia. When the USSR began pulling out of Africa, the Derg made way for the Ethiopian People's Democratic Movement. Tedros joined one of its component parts, the authoritarian Tigray People's Liberation Front (the craziest of the crazies). Its insignia is below:  Tedros was appointed to head the Tigray Regional Health Bureau in 2001 and was appointed a State Minister for Health in 2003. While Ethiopia has had democratic elections since the 80s, elections have only been "free" since the middle of the 2000s. In that time, the only national party in Ethiopia and the only regional party in Tigray has been the Marxist-Leninists. In 2005, he took over as the Minister of Health for all of Ethiopia. He then transitioned out of Health to Foreign Affairs in 2012. In 2017, he ran hist first election for the right to serve as Director-General of the WHO. Tedros did very well in Africa and, thanks to China and Russia, some former nations of the Russian Federation and East and Southeast Asia. America, England, and their allies backed Dr. David Nabarro to no avail. China, in particular, was seen as pivotal in rallying support for Tedros, and Tedros has been very deferential to China, since he was elected. If Tedros had looked off Kenya's free safety in the 2018 East Africa Super Bowl, he would not have thrown an interception and instead had a TD pass. So i think it's fair if you change the statistics to reflect he is the second rated quarterback in Africa behind Mozambique's guy (I'm forgetting his name in the moment) All and all it's impressive as he was only a two-star recruit from a 3A high school in rural western Ethiopia. |
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Post by TheGlove on Jun 9, 2020 17:00:17 GMT -8
I have no dog in the WHO fight, but I think we should stick to the facts. Fact check: - Yes there's alot going on around the globe and to keep this less political I'll not comment on all the red-herrings you threw out, but the "needle in the haystack" could have and should have been picked up by the Global Health Security team. The problem is that it was disbanded in 2018. www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2018/05/10/top-white-house-official-in-charge-of-pandemic-response-exits-abruptly/- WHO director is actually a Doctor. A Phd, but still a doctor and one with extensive experience in public health. - "For the first time in its seventy-year history, the World Health Organization (WHO) will, effective July 1, be led by a nonphysician, an African, and a person from the global South. Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus of Ethiopia campaigned in an unprecedented election that gave 186 nations equal voice and saw three globetrotting candidates plead their cases. In the past, the director-general of the WHO was selected in a secretive and elite process by the thirty-four members of its executive committee. This year, the entire World Health Assembly voted in three rounds of written, secret ballots; Tedros, as he prefers to be called, emerged victorious on May 23 carrying two-thirds of the votes. Tedros has a PhD in community health and has served as his nation’s minister of health and of foreign affairs..." www.cfr.org/expert-brief/change-guard-who- China picking the WHO director is your opinion, not a fact for which I could find any evidence. Prove me wrong. You have four bullet-pointed "Fact check" points. I will address them in order. First bullet-point. Your article is from the Washington Post, which I do not subscribe to. Your terms are inexact, so it is difficult to figure out what you are getting at. Rear Admiral R. Timothy Ziemer, who is mentioned in the article, was the Senior Director for Global Health Security and Biodefense. The Global Health Security and Biodefense team operated in 31 countries, but one of those countries that it definitively did not operate was China, so the idea that they would have been helpful in identifying and working on a front-line disease to stop a disease in China seems far-fetched to the point of being ridiculous in my opinion. Moving the goal posts 101. A Wilky favorite. We've gone from identifying and protecting the US from the disease to stopping it in China. You know, even though a hospital in Oregon identified it as risk but the US couldn't because of all the other things going on in the world. Does the CIA have an office in China? How about NSA? I can see right through your BS. And any new article coming from a paper you don't subscribe to doesn't count, got it. I never said I subscribe to it but was the first article in the internet search. The facts of these cuts were published by news outlets in 2018. Second and third bullet-points. Semantics. Fun! Everyone who has a doctorate is not a doctor. I have a doctorate, but I cannot call myself a doctor. (There are actually rules against it.) As for Tedros, he has a PhD in Community Health from the University of Nottingham (tied with OHSU as the 152nd-best University in the World). As he is in medical politics and not academia, I do not believe that he should be called "doctor." But that is my opinion. You can call Tedros doctor, if you would like. Now you want to denigrate graduates from OHSU by association with The Who director's alma mater. I'm sure many Beavers will be offended. People might call him a doctor, kinda like Dr. Ed Ray for example. What kind of medicine does Ed practice? Just admit you should have said Physician, take the L and move on. There's another post in this thread that addresses this point.Extensive public experience? Seriously? Starting in 1986, Tedros was a member of the Derg, the Communist leaders of Ethiopia. When the USSR began pulling out of Africa, the Derg made way for the Ethiopian People's Democratic Movement. Tedros joined one of its component parts, the authoritarian Tigray People's Liberation Front (the craziest of the crazies). Its insignia is below: Tedros was appointed to head the Tigray Regional Health Bureau in 2001 and was appointed a State Minister for Health in 2003. While Ethiopia has had democratic elections since the 80s, elections have only been "free" since the middle of the 2000s. In that time, the only national party in Ethiopia and the only regional party in Tigray has been the Marxist-Leninists. In 2005, he took over as the Minister of Health for all of Ethiopia. He then transitioned out of Health to Foreign Affairs in 2012. In 2017, he ran hist first election for the right to serve as Director-General of the WHO. So you don't like the political structure of Ethiopia. Great. Doesn't discount his experience and that he was unanimously elected to his post. Tedros did very well in Africa and, thanks to China and Russia, some former nations of the Russian Federation and East and Southeast Asia. America, England, and their allies backed Dr. David Nabarro to no avail. China, in particular, was seen as pivotal in rallying support for Tedros, and Tedros has been very deferential to China, since he was elected. I will reiterate that I have no opinion on WHO, it's leader, etc. However, I do have opinions on your attempted spin and spread of falsehoods (even if you think they are pedantic). This is exactly why Politics are off limits here. It's one thing to fling BS about OSU sports, another about more serious real-world topics. A few threads lately have been experimental, kind of testing the waters to see how things would go, especially in these times with very little sports. My suspicions are being confirmed. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jun 9, 2020 17:12:42 GMT -8
You should really think again about having a talk politics board and send everything political there. It'd help keep the overall board busy and help get this stuff the main board posts for the most part.
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Post by TheGlove on Jun 9, 2020 20:27:41 GMT -8
thanks for linking that as it 100% confirms the wa po article I linked earlier. |
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Post by TheGlove on Jun 9, 2020 20:29:05 GMT -8
You should really think again about having a talk politics board and send everything political there. It'd help keep the overall board busy and help get this stuff the main board posts for the most part. Other option is to just go back to deleting it when it pops up. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jun 9, 2020 20:37:41 GMT -8
You should really think again about having a talk politics board and send everything political there. It'd help keep the overall board busy and help get this stuff the main board posts for the most part. Other option is to just go back to deleting it when it pops up. Could keep you busy deleting all summer since it’s an election year. |
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Post by ag87 on Jun 9, 2020 21:23:54 GMT -8
Other option is to just go back to deleting it when it pops up. Could keep you busy deleting all summer since it’s an election year. [b We will be discussing Conforto, Boyd, Gaviglio, Osich, and our 25 or so guys in milb. . . Or not |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jun 10, 2020 6:14:35 GMT -8
thanks for linking that as it 100% confirms the wa po article I linked earlier. No, it actually doesn't. Here's an article by the Atlantic literally 2 days after Ziemer left. It gives a little info on Ziemer's performance up to the day he left (he was 14 months overdue on delivering a national bio-defense strategy his department was tasked with creating) and says what happened to the department, where it went and who took it over. No months to years later "fact-checking" with "partially" true or false determinations (which seems to vary from source to source), just what happened. www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2018/05/white-house-loses-global-health-security-lead-as-a-new-ebola-outbreak-hits/560195/ |
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Post by irimi on Jun 10, 2020 6:16:38 GMT -8
Excellent post and what those who protest the curve-flattening strategies seem to overlook. Very selfish of them. Then again it’s very selfish of those as risk that don’t give a crap about people out of work because perhaps they are retired or work for the state and have a paycheck coming in or don’t want to take the proper precautions with their at risk family members or themselves. Just shut down society to protect me , I will be fine and I don’t give a sh..t about anyone else. Cuts both ways College athletes don’t get a paycheck, and they would be putting themselves at risk more than anyone who does get a paycheck from the sport. Don’t you care about them at all? |
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Post by irimi on Jun 10, 2020 6:19:06 GMT -8
You should really think again about having a talk politics board and send everything political there. It'd help keep the overall board busy and help get this stuff the main board posts for the most part. It is a shame when the health and well-being of young men and women at the university becomes a matter of politics instead of medicine. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jun 10, 2020 6:22:05 GMT -8
Then again it’s very selfish of those as risk that don’t give a crap about people out of work because perhaps they are retired or work for the state and have a paycheck coming in or don’t want to take the proper precautions with their at risk family members or themselves. Just shut down society to protect me , I will be fine and I don’t give a sh..t about anyone else. Cuts both ways College athletes don’t get a paycheck, and they would be putting themselves at risk more than anyone who does get a paycheck from the sport. Don’t you care about them at all? They don't get a paycheck, but the the fully scholarshipped athletes do get 20-30K bucks a year in benefits other students don't get. |
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Post by irimi on Jun 10, 2020 7:42:45 GMT -8
College athletes don’t get a paycheck, and they would be putting themselves at risk more than anyone who does get a paycheck from the sport. Don’t you care about them at all? They don't get a paycheck, but the the fully scholarshipped athletes do get 20-30K bucks a year in benefits other students don't get. To study. And what has the university done to protect students? A lot. In Fall, classes may look very different still. But you guys want students to go out and put themselves at risk on the field for your entertainment? Seriously, why? |
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Post by alwaysorange on Jun 10, 2020 8:06:00 GMT -8
They don't get a paycheck, but the the fully scholarshipped athletes do get 20-30K bucks a year in benefits other students don't get. To study. And what has the university done to protect students? A lot. In Fall, classes may look very different still. But you guys want students to go out and put themselves at risk on the field for your entertainment? Seriously, why? I have yet to meet one student athlete that is required, mandated to step on a field or court. They can be like most students and simply be students and pay their own way. Really its as simple as that. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jun 10, 2020 8:15:22 GMT -8
They don't get a paycheck, but the the fully scholarshipped athletes do get 20-30K bucks a year in benefits other students don't get. To study. And what has the university done to protect students? A lot. In Fall, classes may look very different still. But you guys want students to go out and put themselves at risk on the field for your entertainment? Seriously, why? I'm personally not all hopped up to see them do anything unsafe. Just pointing out that scholarship athletes do get economic benefits many say they don't. If the season needs to be cancelled then so be it. They do need to get a handle on the long term health risks of this disease for everyone's sake. We're really not at a point of completely understanding this disease. |
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