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Post by beavershoopsfan on May 21, 2020 9:11:27 GMT -8
The additions of grad transfer Ellie Mack and incoming freshmen Sasha Goforth and Savannah Samuel have Beaver Nation intrigued about how the '20-'21 squad may perform.
I believe Mack and Goforth will emerge as starters as early as the first game. Samuel's athleticism may earn her quality minutes as well.
Based upon what you have seen on video of the three newcomers, please offer your best guess of what number of minutes played and statistical production you envision for each of the three newcomers.
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Post by believeinthebeavs on May 21, 2020 9:36:24 GMT -8
I'm not sure Mack will displace Taya at the 4 unless Taya is moved to the 3.
Sasha has an excellent chance to be a starter.
Samuels will get time on the court, just not sure how much.
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Post by wbosh15 on May 21, 2020 10:13:14 GMT -8
If Mack or Taya can play the 3 for extended minutes that would bode well for the season. That type of back line size would be excellent defensively as long as we can guard the 3 pt line. I think Sasha will start from day 1, and I think Savannah will contribute.
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Post by beaverstever on May 21, 2020 11:23:52 GMT -8
Both Mack and Taya have shown the versatility to play the 3-5 spots, depending on matchup needs. I don't like that our roster won't allow us to go small next year like we've done periodically historically, but we can go from big to really big. Our "small" lineup next year is likely Goodman, Simmons, Goforth, Corosdale and Mack, which would still have more length than many (most?) D1 starting lineups. I'm not sure how that lineup does vs. say UCLA or DePaul type defensively (probably not great), but it would be an unguardable matchup problem for a lot of opponent rosters -- given the combination of length to go inside yet 5 good to very good 3 point shooters all on the floor. Mack in particular looks like she has a pretty solid post-up game to enable that group to be on the floor, and forcing a big low-post defender onto the court, where she then can drag that defender out to the 3 Pt line, creating wide defensive spacing. I'd expect that lineup to enable Simmons, Corosdale and Mack to get to the rim at will unless teams give them the 3.
I suspect Samuel will struggle to see the floor because of Mack and Corosdale's versatility and experience, but if the smaller lineup is used a lot, she'd be needed more. For games when Jones, Mitrovic, and/or Morris see extended minutes, I personally can't see her getting many minutes - (for next year only).
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Post by bennyskid on May 21, 2020 12:28:11 GMT -8
Reasonable Expectations?
Ellie = Maddie Washington, the Senior.
Sasha = Katie Mac, the Sophomore.
Savannah = Taylor Kalmer, the Junior.
Those seem to be the most similar recent players, IMHO, and I'm adjusting the freshmen based on recruiting rankings. Sasha was somewhat more highly rated than Katie, and Taylor was just a 3-star recruit, IIRC.
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Post by rmancarl on May 21, 2020 12:57:57 GMT -8
I think this one is really hard to figure right now because there are potentially 4 new players who could see action (throwing in Jelena). If Kennedy were to have a miraculous recovery, or if Andrea were cleared to play, that would really change things, but I'm just going to plan on Ellie, Savannah, Sasha, and Jelena being new potential players to crack the lineup.
I think Sasha is too good to not start. I'm not expecting any big numbers out of her, just solid play, including good defense. I think Jasmine may give her a run for her money though. I certainly hope so.
I originally penciled in Ellie to be like a 6th player who plays starting minutes, but I think she may be too good not to start. When we look back on the upcoming season, I expect we will say that Ellie was our most consistent player, and the one we counted on during a lot of big moments (or we will say 'bummer there was no season because of Covid'). I think Ellie is better and will contribute more than Maddie.
I really like Savannah, but I'm not sure where she fits in as a freshman. If Taylor, Taya, and Ellie don't work out as three bigs, and the Beavs go small, there may be room for her as the '3'. If the Beavs go big, then she is probably behind Aleah, Sasha, and Jasmine.
Jelena---I don't know. I see Trish as the backup to Taylor, or I see the Beavs going small with Taya and Ellie up front when Taylor is out. Is there room for Jelena, and is she ready for the Pac-12 level? I really have no idea on that one.
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Post by 411500 on May 21, 2020 13:01:54 GMT -8
bennyskid - -If Mack delivers at the level of Maddie in her senior year, I believe Coach and staff will be quite disappointed.
Maddie was a solid utility player with a limited offensive game; she had a good mastery of the offence, and she played solid defence and was an ok rebounder.....
I would think Rueck is expecting Mack to come in as starter from day one....His expectations for her are probably to be one of the team's top 3 or 4 scorers...Hopefully, top 2 or 3.....
Now, obviously this is May, and Rueck doesn't return my calls, so what I have written is my guesswork..But everything about the Mack transfer strikes me as immediate help in an important way...We're all Maddie fans on this board, but I can't see coach being happy with Mack putting up Maddie numbers next season...🏀
GO BEAVS !!
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Post by bennyskid on May 21, 2020 13:33:26 GMT -8
Maddie had three years in the system and numerous starts. Is it *reasonable* to expect any newcomer to simply jump in and be better?
I will admit that it's reasonable to expect better *numbers*. With Slocum and Pivec gone, much more of the offense will come at the 3-4-5 positions.
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Post by beaverstever on May 21, 2020 13:53:32 GMT -8
Mack comes in as the team's alpha, and the top player in her conference. She absolutely expects to start and make be a major force, or she wouldn't be coming here. I'm sure that's her contribution expectations, and that seems a pretty reasonable expectation. I'm pretty sure Rueck didn't sell her on a Maddie-level contribution on coming to OSU.
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Post by beaverwbb fan on May 21, 2020 14:28:31 GMT -8
Maddie had three years in the system and numerous starts. Is it *reasonable* to expect any newcomer to simply jump in and be better? I will admit that it's reasonable to expect better *numbers*. With Slocum and Pivec gone, much more of the offense will come at the 3-4-5 positions. Taylor and Kennedy were. |
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Post by beaveragain on May 21, 2020 15:02:01 GMT -8
Towards the end of last season I heard the trainer yelling at Mitrovic "I know it hurts but you have to push through it". So that late in the season she was still in pain. I think that means she is probably not in great condition and hasn't had a chance to learn much yet.
Due to the lack of prep time that the team will have I don't see Sasha starting at the beginning of the season and besides Scott is very loyal to his vets. If you can beat them out then fine, but you have to clearly be better. Jaz will start at the beginning of the year and then we will see.
Savannah is one of those projects that I think may end up surprising folks. There are some odd gaps in her game that makes me think she doesn't have a trainer to help her out, but I think after she gets to OSU that will be corrected.
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Post by jeff on May 21, 2020 15:25:52 GMT -8
The way I see it we have 5 starters with Aleah, Sasha, Ellie, Taya and Taylor who will get starter minutes 25-35 per game.
Jazz, Savanah and Patricia are all the backups, that play as much as they contribute/prove themselves to give the starters a break and cover for foul problems or injuries. Who knows what Jelena can provide? I hope we don't have to Noele play in critical times.
I am still hoping the Coaches find another point guard for this year and the next as a backup.
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Post by qbeaver on May 21, 2020 15:52:21 GMT -8
All three will have a huge impact on next years team. Mack will be an instant impact player. Goforth is very talented player,and she will be in the rotation if not a starter too. Samuel will find minutes as a great athlete,and possibly defensive stopper. All three look promising...
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Post by beavershoopsfan on May 21, 2020 17:42:22 GMT -8
The team will likely have three double figure scorers once again with Jones, Mack, and Goodman the most likely candidates to deliver consistent scoring. I think that Goforth and Corosdale are capable of scoring 8-10 points each per game, assuming that Goforth doesn't defer too much to the upperclassmen and Corosdale is fully healthy by October.
I would love to see Simmons push Goforth for a starting spot, but I think that Goforth is more skilled, longer, and can play the kind of defense that Rueck expects his freshmen to play.
Mitrovic's lack of mobility will limit the situations that she can be utilized behind Jones and Morris at the 5. She is a player who could truly have used the spring to get herself in better condition, rehab further, and strengthen her legs in a team setting with the OSU strength and conditioning staff.
Samuel is truly a wildcard. She scored 20+ points per game for a quality high school team in Georgia and has demonstrated solid athleticism, speed, and conditioning as a high school track & field athlete. Has OSU had a 6'1" basketball player in the past decade with her athleticism? No one in an OSU WBB uniform comes to my mind during the Rueck era with that kind of length and proven high jump ability/400m speed. It will be fun to watch her develop, knowing that she has the length and athleticism to guard the Hull twins at Stanford, Sam Thomas at Arizona, and Michaela Onyenwere at UCLA. Samuel will need to get physically stronger or she will get bullied on the defensive end, but she will come to Corvallis with great potential.
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Post by beaverwbb fan on May 21, 2020 18:19:57 GMT -8
Maddie had three years in the system and numerous starts. Is it *reasonable* to expect any newcomer to simply jump in and be better? I will admit that it's reasonable to expect better *numbers*. With Slocum and Pivec gone, much more of the offense will come at the 3-4-5 positions. I believe I read 67% of the scoring left. But, are some here think: - TC will come off a severe injury and reinjury and be significantly better than her career #s? - a player, POY or not, from a significantly weaker conference will come in and be a double digit Pac12 scorer? Get off 3s as easily and as effectively? Be able to guard Pac12 3s and 4s? Funny Pac12 is seen as a far superior conference and far,far more talented yet that's the expectation in one season? - that a frosh will come in and start and also produce at a Pac12 vet level? Both seem talented, both will develop, but both didn't play a ton of teams full of D1 talent. Samuels played on a talent laden team but in a weak private school league/ division. She'll be super athletic, but need some seasoning. - that Trish, or Jelena, will suddenly produce as capable Pac12 reserves? - that Mack and incoming frosh can some how spell Aleah at the Point handling pressure D vs D1/Pac12 talent? With the way last season finished and off season questions, there are far more questions than answers with this team. Talented recruits/ transfer or not, losing 67% of your offense, no proven depth at the 5, no PG depth at all, and 3 newcomers having the pressure to fill up a bunch of numbers... yikes. Two or more players are going to have to SIGNIFICANTLY up production/numbers for this team to equal last year. The Pac12 didn't get worse. And this team ain't starting 15-0. Some may forget with two great players no longer present this team finished 8-9 down the stretch. Just don't see these two frosh coming in and matching what Mik or TC did as frosh. And, don't see Mack coming close to her POY #s vs consistently better competition. Your optimism was greatly missed, base. |
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