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Post by beavershoopsfan on Apr 24, 2020 21:10:25 GMT -8
Getting back to the orginal question, I'm not sure we will make enough strides to have sports this fall, and maybe not even winter, but I do think there is a real shot for late winter/early spring sports. I could see a few things happening---winter sports being pushed to January or February with condensed schedules and March madness becoming May madness. I could see basketball having 3 games per week with Pac-12 games on the weekend, and a non-conference game in between. It would mean playing a lot of local schools for the non-conference games. I could see them limiting game attendance to 1/3 capacity, asking fans to pay for streaming games (yes, I would pay under these circumstances), taking temperatures (or testing) before games, requiring mask, or a number of other preventative measures. I have a little faith (hope) that more headway will be made in treaments (although a vaccine is unlikey that soon), and finding new means of avoiding/fighting the virus. We're really only a couple months into dealing with this in our country. Each day, week, and month that passes now is going to provide a wealth of information, that hopefully will help us return closer to our old ways of living. I think that the above scenarios include reasonable expectations and assume that athletes will be allowed to compete in contact sports prior to the development of a vaccine. I hope that the testing logistics can be worked out to make the above happen. Absent an effective vaccine being available by the winter, more will need to be known about limiting the transmission of the disease in order to allow athletes to be in close proximity to each other. Every time I envision a return to some form of competitive sports at some point in 2020, I keep circling back to the question of how can athletes be breathing around each other and not risk being exposed to asymptomatic carriers of the virus. Athletes have routinely played through flu-like symptoms in the past, but the contagiousness of COVID-10 would seem to preclude football and basketball from taking place without exposing the athletes (and the university) to significant health concerns and consequences.
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Apr 24, 2020 21:50:12 GMT -8
I'm not sure they could open the campus to only athletes. Would they only have access to the athletic facilities?
Bigger question is when will OSU start teaching classes on campus?
Even if we were able to get it under control here in Oregon, what about California? Or any of the big cities back east? Hell, even Washington has a big problem.
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Post by 411500 on Apr 25, 2020 8:32:17 GMT -8
With regard to team sports with contact - like basketball, you have to deal with this practical problem: What happens when one teammate comes down with covid? With our current knowledge of this virus, that would pretty much shut down the team....
I'm desperately hoping for some kind of miracle on the medical front, but, if you are a person whose understanding of the physical universe if guided by evidence, reason and science, right now it's hard to know what would justify team contact sports before January, 2021.
Hopefully, we will see a breakthrough of some kind..... GO BEAVS !!
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Post by beavershoopsfan on Apr 25, 2020 9:45:45 GMT -8
I'm on the same page as 411500 above. Watching the NFL Draft today after watching last week's WNBA Draft provides me with some hope for the future. I recognize that the probable reality for those recently-drafted athletes and other collegiate athletes is that they won't be seeing the competitive field or court in 2020 due to how quickly the virus can spread and infect one's teammates and competitors. I really can't see pro sports (other than the UFC) taking the risk to hold events even though billions of dollars are sitting on the sidelines as each season passes.
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Apr 25, 2020 11:46:49 GMT -8
The overreaction to this nonsense will go down as one of the biggest FUBAR events in U.S. history.
What is the BIGGER fear at play? Litigious lawyers.
At first I also thought this was an overreaction but as time went on and I learned more about it I'm not so sure now.
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Post by beaveragain on Apr 25, 2020 11:56:35 GMT -8
The overreaction to this nonsense will go down as one of the biggest FUBAR events in U.S. history.
What is the BIGGER fear at play? Litigious lawyers.
So you find 50,000 dead not a great improvement over 2 million dead?
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Post by beavershoopsfan on Apr 25, 2020 12:04:07 GMT -8
The overreaction to this nonsense will go down as one of the biggest FUBAR events in U.S. history.
What is the BIGGER fear at play? Litigious lawyers.
The COVID-19 crisis is a world history issue, not just a U.S. one. How many total deaths will it take for people to believe that perhaps the social distancing measures have been a good idea? I think that as 2k+ people in this country continue to die each day from the virus with social distancing measures in place, thoughts of overreaction aren't on my mind. Today (April 25), the U.S. death total went past 53k. We can check back in a week and the total will likely be above 70k.
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Post by beavershoopsfan on Apr 25, 2020 13:21:00 GMT -8
Oregon's projections above definitely look much better on paper than most of the rest of the nation. How much of those favorable stats can be attributable to minimal testing taking place in this state?
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Post by 411500 on Apr 25, 2020 13:40:55 GMT -8
beaver fever writes: "Better just eliminate fan attendance at athletic events from now on. Family get-togethers should also be permanently banned. Too big a risk."
Beaverfever - your pithy, terse comments are kinda fun when you're just trying to stir the pot, or create a reaction.
When you deliver them in the attempt to cast insight into a meaningful and profound topic they simply sound juvenile and illiterate. If you have a coherent message concerning covid, spell it out. I'd enjoy reading it. GO BEAVS !!
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Post by shelby on Apr 25, 2020 14:38:29 GMT -8
To expand on allwaysorange point.
Well you mean the have or have nots? The haves that are funded by deep pocket donor(s) will field teams at some point without the football engine even running. The have nots will likely have to par down the sports they offer. Will the future financial stability of a athletic department figure in some recruits choice to play worry free for 4 years. The answer is you bet. Same goes for coaches.
So maybe it will be the pac-6 for awhile in some sports? The haves all ways win out, sadly. I think that is the ‘trending’ thought , however, I think that some innovative fund raising, backing off on the West Side and other cost cutting initiatives should be explored first. I would maintain and kick in extra dollars for both Academics and Sports , if there was a real date and a real plan. Many assumptions there, of course, howeverI am not willing to just throw up my hands and walk away for a future of watching re-runs !
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Apr 25, 2020 14:49:52 GMT -8
The COVID-19 crisis is a world history issue, not just a U.S. one. How many total deaths will it take for people to believe that perhaps the social distancing measures have been a good idea? I think that as 2k+ people in this country continue to die each day from the virus with social distancing measures in place, thoughts of overreaction aren't on my mind. Today (April 25), the U.S. death total went past 53k. We can check back in a week and the total will likely be above 70k. Better just eliminate fan attendance at athletic events from now on.
Family get-togethers should also be permanently banned. Too big a risk.
No one anywhere has advocated that on a permanent basis. Not even close. Makes a nice strawman, though. More than 50,000 Americans have died of the virus in less than two months. Prevention efforts have not been an overreaction. But by all means, just keep drinking the Clorox.
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Post by ricke71 on Apr 25, 2020 14:59:30 GMT -8
The overreaction to this nonsense will go down as one of the biggest FUBAR events in U.S. history.
What is the BIGGER fear at play? Litigious lawyers.
The COVID-19 crisis is a world history issue, not just a U.S. one. How many total deaths will it take for people to believe that perhaps the social distancing measures have been a good idea? I think that as 2k+ people in this country continue to die each day from the virus with social distancing measures in place, thoughts of overreaction aren't on my mind. Today (April 25), the U.S. death total went past 53k. We can check back in a week and the total will likely be above 70k. and a couple weeks after that 80K. This is serious sh#tt
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2020 17:48:26 GMT -8
As pessimistic as many people are, they may not be pessimistic enough. Hope for resumption of university life, university sports, and "life as usual" really rests on the discovery of an effective vaccine or treatment. Looking specifically at the vaccine possibility, how well do vaccines work for the flu? In the 2017-18 flu season, there were about 45 million cases in the USA, 810000 hospitalizations, and 61000 deaths. And that's WITH a lot of people having gotten vaccinated against the flu. How effective was the vaccine? The CDC estimates the vaccine prevented 6.2 million cases, 91000 hospitalizations, and 5700 deaths. What? It reduced cases, hospitalizations, and deaths by only about 10%? And yeah, we have vaccines against the flu, but it keeps coming back every single year.
So we should be at least cognizant of the distinct possibility that any vaccine may be only minimally effective, like the flu vaccine. Using NYC as a model, they estimate 21% or about 1.8 million people have been infected and that 17000 have died. That's about a 1% death rate, and that estimate is probably low given that deaths lag infections. This death rate is much higher than the death rate from the flu. If 200 million in the US get this virus because we decide to drop social distancing and always-on face masks, that's 2 million dead.
And have you noticed how our experts are saying that this new virus could keep coming back year, after year, just like the flu? I think they know the real chances of normal life returning, but they dare not come out and lay it all out in plain language, because the truth is not what anyone wants to hear: The changes being forced on us by this virus may be permanent.
As infectious as this virus is, herd immunity will require that 80% of the population become immune. So that's only going to happen if we let millions die. Maybe every single year if we don't keep doing social distancing and if we don't have a vaccine that's many times more effective than the flu vaccine.
Some vaccines are long-lasting, and some clearly are not. No one has yet found a vaccine for the common cold, which is another coronavirus, so coronavirus vaccines may not have the same long-lasting effect as those for the common illnesses like smallpox, polio, and mumps. I've seen one expert who actually said there may be no viable vaccine for this virus. We can hope that the level of effort going into a vaccine for this coronavirus will lead to great innovations in vaccination. But it might not happen.
I guess it doesn't hurt to be optimistic, but reality may bite.
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Post by rmancarl on Apr 25, 2020 18:40:56 GMT -8
You all have done a thorough job of depressing me. Thanks!
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Post by ornggnawer on Apr 25, 2020 19:59:58 GMT -8
You all have done a thorough job of depressing me. Thanks! I check the news a couple times a day. It's been tragic for weeks but the headlines today got to me. I'm depressed too. Sadness by solidarity, Beavs must stick together!
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