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Post by mbabeav on Apr 13, 2020 11:03:57 GMT -8
No. Does anyone really think it is a good idea to jam thousands of people together with this virus going around and there is no effective vaccine. Development of vaccines take time. [b We must test for antibodies like our lives depend on it. I think games can be played without fans. I also think you may get some sort of an identification that shows you have the antibodies and you would be allowed to congregate (attend a sporting event). Obviously there's a huge logistical challenge to conducting the testing and then creating some sort of ID that's difficult to fake. This will end when we have a vaccine. Per the talking heads, that is somewhere between March and September 2021. agreed, antibody testing is more critical now than the test for the illness, IMO. Once we learn who's had it, then those people can buy season tickets. Again, would need billions of tests - test once a month. We're just not used to manufacturing on that scale. And this is in addition to all the other tests and vaccinations that are a standard part of our lives. |
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Post by sparty on Apr 13, 2020 11:34:05 GMT -8
So Glove is it open season for political statements? Seems some get a free pass or is a reminder due? No, no, yes. Thank you for keeping it on the rails. |
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Apr 13, 2020 11:45:01 GMT -8
[b We must test for antibodies like our lives depend on it. I think games can be played without fans. I also think you may get some sort of an identification that shows you have the antibodies and you would be allowed to congregate (attend a sporting event). Obviously there's a huge logistical challenge to conducting the testing and then creating some sort of ID that's difficult to fake. This will end when we have a vaccine. Per the talking heads, that is somewhere between March and September 2021. agreed, antibody testing is more critical now than the test for the illness, IMO. Once we learn who's had it, then those people can buy season tickets. Again, would need billions of tests - test once a month. We're just not used to manufacturing on that scale. And this is in addition to all the other tests and vaccinations that are a standard part of our lives. A week or two ago it was reported that a man was tested positive, recovered and tested negative and then tested positive again. Not sure about the validity of the report. Both times tested positive for the Washington strain. |
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Post by wbosh15 on Apr 13, 2020 12:15:56 GMT -8
agreed, antibody testing is more critical now than the test for the illness, IMO. Once we learn who's had it, then those people can buy season tickets. Again, would need billions of tests - test once a month. We're just not used to manufacturing on that scale. And this is in addition to all the other tests and vaccinations that are a standard part of our lives. A week or two ago it was reported that a man was tested positive, recovered and tested negative and then tested positive again. Not sure about the validity of the report. Both times tested positive for the Washington strain. Report was probably correct, but it was most likely caused by a false negative after the recovery. IE all of the virus had not been cleared out, and the negative test wasn't a true absence of the virus in the patient. More is needed on this I'm sure. |
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Post by beavershoopsfan on Apr 13, 2020 12:17:30 GMT -8
South Korea has been reporting what is described in the post above in about 100 patients. The thought is that the COVID-19 virus was "reactivated" rather than being new infections. If the reports are true of being free of COVID-19 after being initially infected and then quickly becoming infected again, the idea behind the antibodies treatments leading to immunity would certainly have a significant obstacle to overcome.
I just can't foresee contact sports being permitted by the NCAA and its member universities until comprehensive testing and re-testing protocols are established and/or a vaccine is developed and determined to be effective. Until then, I believe that the potential liability for athletes who become infected is simply too great for those in leadership positions to sanction.
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Post by sparty on Apr 14, 2020 5:50:11 GMT -8
South Korea has been reporting what is described in the post above in about 100 patients. The thought is that the COVID-19 virus was "reactivated" rather than being new infections. If the reports are true of being free of COVID-19 after being initially infected and then quickly becoming infected again, the idea behind the antibodies treatments leading to immunity would certainly have a significant obstacle to overcome. I just can't foresee contact sports being permitted by the NCAA and its member universities until comprehensive testing and re-testing protocols are established and/or a vaccine is developed and determined to be effective. Until then, I believe that the potential liability for athletes who become infected is simply too great for those in leadership positions to sanction. And a vaccine likely to work in that case ---NOT! So maybe it will be the end of all sports as we know it. I guess take up other hobbies. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2020 8:50:37 GMT -8
South Korea has been reporting what is described in the post above in about 100 patients. The thought is that the COVID-19 virus was "reactivated" rather than being new infections. If the reports are true of being free of COVID-19 after being initially infected and then quickly becoming infected again, the idea behind the antibodies treatments leading to immunity would certainly have a significant obstacle to overcome. I just can't foresee contact sports being permitted by the NCAA and its member universities until comprehensive testing and re-testing protocols are established and/or a vaccine is developed and determined to be effective. Until then, I believe that the potential liability for athletes who become infected is simply too great for those in leadership positions to sanction. A number of people who have contracted this virus have been tested afterwards and found to have no detectable, or barely detectable, antibodies to the virus. IOW, the disease may have been beaten back by something else in their immune system's toolbox. The antibody test therefore may not be a reliable indicator of exposure. Without antibodies there will be no long-lasting immunity to the disease. There is also evidence that the virus attacks the cells of your immune system, similar to what HIV does. This is nasty stuff. The coronavirus that causes Covid-19 could kill the powerful immune cells that are supposed to kill the virus instead, scientists have warned.
The surprise discovery, made by a team of researchers from Shanghai and New York, coincided with frontline doctors’ observation that Covid-19 could attack the human immune system and cause damage similar to that found in HIV patients.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2020 8:49:24 GMT -8
Update 04/23/2020: It ain't gonna happen....
LONDON (Reuters) - There is an “incredibly small” chance of having a highly effective vaccine or treatment for the coronavirus within the next year, England’s Chief Medical Officer Chris Whitty said on Wednesday.
“In the long run, the exit from this is going to be one of two things, ideally, one of which is a highly effective vaccine ... and/or highly effective drugs,” he told reporters.
“Until we have those - and the probability of having those any time in the next calendar year are incredibly small and I think we should be realistic about that - we’re going to have to rely on other social measures.”
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Post by rafer on Apr 23, 2020 9:29:42 GMT -8
Update 04/23/2020: It ain't gonna happen.... LONDON (Reuters) - There is an “incredibly small” chance of having a highly effective vaccine or treatment for the coronavirus within the next year, England’s Chief Medical Officer Chris Whitty said on Wednesday. “In the long run, the exit from this is going to be one of two things, ideally, one of which is a highly effective vaccine ... and/or highly effective drugs,” he told reporters. “Until we have those - and the probability of having those any time in the next calendar year are incredibly small and I think we should be realistic about that - we’re going to have to rely on other social measures.” So you're saying there's a chance!! Looks like many are saying, sports, basically all sports, will be a non-entity for at least a year, or more..... Is there enough booze in the cupboard?? |
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Post by mbabeav on Apr 23, 2020 9:54:15 GMT -8
Ok,so one of those elephants in the room - do we lay off all the coaches, or ask for big clawbacks on their salaries? As a guess, $20 million in wages paid with very little coming in plus having to service the debt on empty facilities is going to be a big hit, especially when the university is probably not going to generate much revenue from anything else and has to keep two campuses in a year's mothball status. We have enough money in the Foundation to run the place for about 4 years sans students...this is an awful time to run a school, or to be a student.
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Post by TheGlove on Apr 23, 2020 10:39:19 GMT -8
I wonder if the Coaches and AD contracts have Force Majeure clauses?
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Post by 411500 on Apr 23, 2020 10:44:59 GMT -8
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Post by TheGlove on Apr 23, 2020 11:24:48 GMT -8
The organization I work for, with 240k+ employees instituted a 10% across the board pay cut. Every employee. No furloughs or lay-offs yet. We are declaring Force Majeure on pretty much all our contracts; customers, suppliers, unions (I assume). Everyone should be sharing in the pain, especially the high paid coaches. |
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Post by beavershoopsfan on Apr 23, 2020 11:31:19 GMT -8
I wonder if the Coaches and AD contracts have Force Majeure clauses? A very good question. The contracts should be public info, so that info could be obtained. I would think that the FM clause may not be within those contracts or we would have heard that all OSU coaches would be donating a portion of their salary back to OSU. The announcement made by OSU seemed to limit the salary donations to Barnes, Smith, and Tinkle at this time. |
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Post by sparty on Apr 23, 2020 11:48:42 GMT -8
Coaches will have to be let go at some point. Then it will be like the transfer portal and it would be open on who could afford who after a couple of years hiatus.
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