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Post by baseba1111 on Apr 2, 2020 16:39:39 GMT -8
That seems very plausible from someone who is closer than most to the program So you two think this is all about the WNBA?
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Apr 2, 2020 16:40:41 GMT -8
Honestly I don't remember the stopping and turning to look at the bench for a play call thing at all while Wiese was playing. Have I just blanked it out? It drives me nuts. I didn't seem to happen as much during the Wiese era, but it happened a lot with Pivec, Slocum, and Goodman the past three seasons. I haven't seen point guards from other teams stop and listen to the play call from the bench more than OSU has during the past three seasons. It happened all the time with Syd. Same with Destiny. During the 18-19 season Rueck backed off calling plays with Aleah and this year left her go a lot. He has faith in her decisions and he commented that she is a coach on the floor and besides she just changes the play if she feels a need to. The only other player I've seen him allow close to as much freedom was Sage Indendi.
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Post by beav74 on Apr 2, 2020 16:47:15 GMT -8
That seems very plausible from someone who is closer than most to the program okay...thanks. don't disclose this often. But Deven H. is granddaughter.
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Post by beav74 on Apr 2, 2020 16:47:56 GMT -8
That seems very plausible from someone who is closer than most to the program So you two think this is all about the WNBA? For SOME players...yes!
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Post by beavadelic on Apr 2, 2020 16:49:19 GMT -8
I’m not incredibly surprised. An amazing PG. But she did not improve a ton at OSU. I’m not sure that our style was ever the best fit for her. I can also assert that her style may not have been the best fit for us. Uptempo, higher-risk basketball is what made her a top 10 prospect out of high school and the national freshman of the year. I feel like she spent her first year of eligibility here trying to figure out how to rein it in to fit what we do, and this past season trying to consistently turn it up a notch because we needed her to be the dynamic player that she was when she arrived. She was very good for us both years, but almost seemed more tentative at times the longer she played for us. Sometimes we lament not being as “athletic” as most of the other elite programs. The interesting thing is when we play teams that are deemed more so than us and lose, that opponent has players that play loose and on the edge of control. They make mistakes, but the upside is that they can just go off at anytime. They play loose and confident. Our system here is very disciplined and deliberate. We play tough defense, and our best teams really have taken care of the ball and value every offensive possessions. We’re not a high-risk driven system. The women who star for us have the ability to go off, but it is a controlled going off. Destiny is a classy, high-character young woman, but she was a different type of player than typically fits our mold. Any top player could have a great career at OSU, but I’m not sure that this is the best fit for every top player. I have always been a little hard (maybe a lot at times) on Sabrina I, and I really did not like the way that she announced her decision to play in Eugene over the Beavs and a couple of others. When she talked about SR telling her how she would be a key cog in helping the Beavs to continuing to rise to elite status, but that Graves told her that they would build the program around her, I went right to thinking how selfish she was. Maybe she was just being wise. Things turned out very well for her and the ducks with that decision. While she would have been just as great here and we would have benefited on the floor, I’m not sure we would have had the cohesiveness and connection throughout the program had she come here. SR is all about finding young women who are a good fit all the way around, and the list of really good players who have also been outstanding people that contributed to a great culture as well as on-court success is impressive. I feel that Destiny very much fit our program, but if we’re going to have players who play a similar style to her’s, we may need to evolve in our system approach. A lot of smart people on here who probably saw the women play far more than I did this past couple of years may disagree with my observations. That’s fine. I’m really just kind of bringing my perspective and trying to figure this out. This was the only option that I really didn’t expect to see her choose. At any rate, I really appreciated getting to watch Destiny play for OSU, and getting to know her a little bit as a person. She is a great player, and a fantastic human being with a wonderful zest for life. I wish her nothing but the greatest success moving forward. Thanks for choosing OSU!
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Post by baseba1111 on Apr 2, 2020 16:50:06 GMT -8
So you two think this is all about the WNBA? For some players...yes! I'm asking about Destiny specifically.
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Post by qbeaver on Apr 2, 2020 16:51:27 GMT -8
That seems very plausible from someone who is closer than most to the program okay...thanks. don't disclose this often. but Deven H. is granddaughter. We know each other ...
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Post by bvrbooster on Apr 2, 2020 17:10:38 GMT -8
Thanks. It's not a good look. Somehow every other coach in the country manages to not have to do it throughout games. Throughout games means what? Other coaches aren’t calling plays? I very definitely remember it happening rather regularly while Syd was here. It's what Scott does, and it's nothing new
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Post by sparty on Apr 2, 2020 17:11:38 GMT -8
SR is old school and likes to play at a deliberate pace and run more set plays then most programs. It has well during his tenure but I think it would benefit recruiting if we opened up the offense and ran more.
Seems logical fridaynightlights,
And it may be hurting over all recruiting and Destiny seemed bored with his system at times. Huge loss.
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Post by baseba1111 on Apr 2, 2020 17:12:44 GMT -8
Throughout games means what? Other coaches aren’t calling plays? I very definitely remember it happening rather regularly while Syd was here. It's what Scott does, and it's nothing new He's always used a series of hand signals as the ball was coming up the backcourt.
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Post by nwhoopfan on Apr 2, 2020 17:14:16 GMT -8
I was forgetting about Mannen, so there is one more guard on the roster than I was thinking. She had her moments, will she be ready to be a regular rotation player next season?
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Post by beavadelic on Apr 2, 2020 17:14:30 GMT -8
After Goodman disappeared in about half of the games in the '19-'20 season, I'm not feeling all that great about her being the only returning guard with much experience (I know Simmons has been part of the rotation but she's never logged big minutes and has never been a primary ball handler/play maker). The last 2 years OSU has had between 3-4 players who have spent some time playing PG. Now they have 1. That won't cut it. You're math isn't really working here on the addition by subtraction thing. Aleah didn't just disappear for no reason. Look at the 2nd half vs 1st half of the season. More than one player can be effected by chemistry issues. Baseball, I never felt you were a big Destiny fan. While I think that Pendleton’s claims that she was selfish are silly (most would say the opposite about her) you usually give reasons for your observations. From my perspective, I saw a player who could break people down and do things that we haven’t seen here, and she worked hard to adapt her game to our system. Considering her reputation among coaches and players around the country at the college and pro level, I think that I had company in my perceptions about her. If she was cause of a chemistry issue on this team, that certainly wasn’t the case until this year. Katie loved her as a teammate. The women all really respected her. The wheels came off this year, IMO, because of some misfortune on (injuries) and off (tragedies involving “family members” associated with a program that has been built on family), but there was something missing from this team beyond injuries. We lacked the “it”. That could be a leadership issue, although SR is the same great leader he’s always been, and Mik was a solid one on and off the court. Maybe chemistry dynamics resulted in Aleah’s slump and Kat not really being the player that she had been prior to the injury, but that’s highly suspect, IMO. Maybe we’ll learn about other factors that led to Destiny’s surprising decision, or we may never really know. Maybe we don’t need to. I suspect that she is looking for uptempo in her final college season so she can have the best opportunity to audition for the next level. I hope she kills it next season wherever she plays. One thing that I don’t buy: No way we’ll be “better off” without her next season.
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Apr 2, 2020 17:17:24 GMT -8
I remember a game this last season where Aleah and Rueck were not in synch. Almost everytime Aleah did look over Rueck was otherwise occupied. Then coach would want to call a play and Aleah wasn't looking over. FWIW, we won that game.
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Post by baseba1111 on Apr 2, 2020 17:20:28 GMT -8
Aleah didn't just disappear for no reason. Look at the 2nd half vs 1st half of the season. More than one player can be effected by chemistry issues. Baseball, I never felt you were a big Destiny fan. While I think that Pendleton’s claims that she was selfish are silly (most would say the opposite about her) you usually give reasons for your observations. From my perspective, I saw a player who could break people down and do things that we haven’t seen here, and she worked hard to adapt her game to our system. Considering her reputation among coaches and players around the country at the college and pro level, I think that I had company in my perceptions about her. If she was cause of a chemistry issue on this team, that certainly wasn’t the case until this year. Katie loved her as a teammate. The women all really respected her. The wheels came off this year, IMO, because of some misfortune on (injuries) and off (tragedies involving “family members” associated with a program that has been built on family), but there was something missing from this team beyond injuries. We lacked the “it”. That could be a leadership issue, although SR is the same great leader he’s always been, and Mik was a solid one on and off the court. Maybe chemistry dynamics resulted in Aleah’s slump and Kat not really being the player that she had been prior to the injury, but that’s highly suspect, IMO. Maybe we’ll learn about other factors that led to Destiny’s surprising decision, or we may never really know. Maybe we don’t need to. I suspect that she is looking for uptempo in her final college season so she can have the best opportunity to audition for the next level. I hope she kills it next season wherever she plays. One thing that I don’t buy: No way we’ll be “better off” without her next season. Whoaaaaa... never said or implied she was any issue at all. In fact players adore her. Chemistry isn't always player created or diminished. Had nothing against Destiny. I just thought she was more "NBA type" than step by step multiple set offensive player.
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Apr 2, 2020 17:24:59 GMT -8
I was forgetting about Mannen, so there is one more guard on the roster than I was thinking. She had her moments, will she be ready to be a regular rotation player next season? She is kind of a wildcard. For one thing she can really shoot. As a (redshirt) freshman who wasn't recruited and had to sit or her actual freshman year, she did ok. Provided she is around next year she should be on scholarship. I would say given a year in the program but she won't have that with the shutdown. But she seems to have a reasonably high basketball IQ and could surprise us. She did great as a walk on.
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