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Post by NativeBeav on Mar 20, 2020 18:40:39 GMT -8
I kinda like the people that can go to the podium right after the President and contradict his statements. That takes conviction, and cojones. Like Dr. Anthony Fauci saying, ""The answer is no, and the evidence that you're talking about ... is anecdotal evidence." (re: chloroquine as an effective treatment) That?
That doesn't take cajones and he is likely incorrect that it merely amounts to "anecdotal evidence."
Only time will tell.
Doctors out of France have done a small trial already. They have trial results, including people who got a placebo. Hydroxychloroquine, when combined with azithromycin, brought the Covid 19 infections essentially down to zero after five days. Website:
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Post by oldbeav on Mar 20, 2020 18:43:34 GMT -8
It’s not just the mortality rate that’s concerning. It’s the rapid rate of transmission and overwhelming the medical system, which is already happening. I'm not saying this thing isn't serious, it is. But something isn't adding up with all these stories. According to KPDX12, there are currently 114 cases in the State of Oregon. Washington Co has the most with 31, several rural counties with 0. Many of the breaking news stories I hear say that the newly identified patients were sent home to self quarantine. My question is, how can our medical system be overwhelmed with 114 cases in the entire State? Many of whom go home. Something doesn't make sense here. With pretty much no idea who has the virus and who doesn’t, I’m betting hospital staff are wearing full protective gear with all patients and have been for weeks. This would mean they’re running through their normal supplies really fast. That’s what we’re hearing about now—low supplies. Maybe the system isn’t overwhelmed here yet but indications from so many other places indicate it very well could. |
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Post by OSUprof on Mar 20, 2020 20:05:28 GMT -8
I kinda like the people that can go to the podium right after the President and contradict his statements. That takes conviction, and cojones. Like Dr. Anthony Fauci saying, ""The answer is no, and the evidence that you're talking about ... is anecdotal evidence." (re: chloroquine as an effective treatment) That?
That doesn't take cajones and he is likely incorrect that it merely amounts to "anecdotal evidence."
Only time will tell.
There are multiple published studies on the topic including one in Nature - one of the world's most prestigious journals. That's anecdotal evidence? |
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Post by spudbeaver on Mar 20, 2020 20:25:14 GMT -8
I'm not saying this thing isn't serious, it is. But something isn't adding up with all these stories. According to KPDX12, there are currently 114 cases in the State of Oregon. Washington Co has the most with 31, several rural counties with 0. Many of the breaking news stories I hear say that the newly identified patients were sent home to self quarantine. My question is, how can our medical system be overwhelmed with 114 cases in the entire State? Many of whom go home. Something doesn't make sense here. With pretty much no idea who has the virus and who doesn’t, I’m betting hospital staff are wearing full protective gear with all patients and have been for weeks. This would mean they’re running through their normal supplies really fast. That’s what we’re hearing about now—low supplies. Maybe the system isn’t overwhelmed here yet but indications from so many other places indicate it very well could. Perhaps the Emergency rooms are getting overrun. Believable. Don’t go to the E room if you only have a fever!!! WaIt until you develop other symptoms! |
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Post by sagebrush on Mar 21, 2020 4:10:15 GMT -8
St. Charles in Bend has a tent outside for screening. No elective surgeries. No visitors unless patient is at end of life.
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Post by irimi on Mar 21, 2020 8:23:52 GMT -8
I'm not so worried about the virus. I am worried about my 401k. I know of no one with the virus. I haven't even heard of anybody with it with even a remote connection to me. Everybody I know has had their savings/401k impacted. So the market fell to the 2016 levels. Big deal. Probably a good portion of that was aided by senators pulling out their assets (which I’m sure wasn’t done invisibly). It’ll rebound. Besides, what good is a 401k if you’re six feet under? |
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Post by irimi on Mar 21, 2020 8:38:11 GMT -8
It’s not just the mortality rate that’s concerning. It’s the rapid rate of transmission and overwhelming the medical system, which is already happening. I'm not saying this thing isn't serious, it is. But something isn't adding up with all these stories. According to KPDX12, there are currently 114 cases in the State of Oregon. Washington Co has the most with 31, several rural counties with 0. Many of the breaking news stories I hear say that the newly identified patients were sent home to self quarantine. My question is, how can our medical system be overwhelmed with 114 cases in the entire State? Many of whom go home. Something doesn't make sense here. On the one hand, I sort of agree that things don’t make sense. But you have to remember that it’s still early in the game and we’ve been doing a decent job keeping the numbers down. The fear is the infectious nature of the virus, and how dramatically the number infected can rise. In Italy, for example, the numbers were so high that doctors had to do triage, determining who would have the best chance at survival because there were not enough respirators around. Our best hope to keep the virus from spreading like wildfire is to stay vigilant and limit the number of people we come into contact with each day. If we can win the numbers game, then we’ll be OK. So stay home. Limit your daily activities and the people that you meet. Simple. |
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Post by zeroposter on Mar 21, 2020 9:43:27 GMT -8
St. Charles in Bend has a tent outside for screening. No elective surgeries. No visitors unless patient is at end of life. St. Charles had that established prior to the first case in Deschutes County. Very forward looking. The nursing homes and elderly care facilities also went to the no contact prior to the first case. |
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Post by Bill79 on Mar 21, 2020 9:54:06 GMT -8
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Post by Bill79 on Mar 21, 2020 10:08:58 GMT -8
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Post by OSUprof on Mar 21, 2020 10:15:33 GMT -8
My point is that the first major article indicating that the anti-malarial drugs had efficacy against Covid was in Nature. Is your point that you're trying to discredit Nature and by extension the notion that these drugs might work? |
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Post by sagebrush on Mar 22, 2020 4:28:10 GMT -8
I am sick and dying. There is this medicine that is good for something close (malaria v flu) but maybe not what I am dying of. Doctor says he can't give it to me because it might kill me. Hey, doc, I'm already dying. WTF??
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Post by zeroposter on Mar 22, 2020 10:21:47 GMT -8
Sage, how are those handshakes you were pushing a week ago going now. Lmao.
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Post by TheGlove on Mar 22, 2020 18:12:34 GMT -8
I always get my news from harvardtothebighouse.com |
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Post by sagebrush on Mar 22, 2020 18:59:09 GMT -8
Sage, how are those handshakes you were pushing a week ago going now. Lmao. I've been a good boy . Even the neighbors and us are doing the right thing. Staying home. Trips to grocery store only. Social distance and all that. Except this afternoon another guy and I stepped all over ourselves. Walking into the store, I ran into a guy. 30 some years ago in Salem I was his supervisor. He recently moved to Bend. For some reason, we recognized each other. Whoa. How are you and all that stuff. Did the elbow bump. I said something to the effect that 30 years and we are down to an elbow bump. He looks at me, and says, F that Boss, we're both too old for that, opened his arms. Neither one of us could help ourselves. Tomorrow, weather permitting, he has deck chairs, I'm bringing the beer and we're going to spend a couple hours in his driveway. |
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