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Post by bennyorange on Feb 14, 2020 12:49:01 GMT -8
That was one the most solid performances I've seen from us in a long time. Good tenacious defense, spread the ball around on offense and kept the hammer down once we built up a lead. Turnovers were minimal thanks to Tinkle and Thompson not trying to force it into the lane too often. There really wasn't a portion of the game where I thought we looked bad which might be a first.
Give credit to Wayne for putting two back to back performances together. Can he do a third and a fourth? What's the longest PAC12 win streak in Tinkle's tenure?
Edit: And three pointers - we actually did pretty well beyond the arc !!!
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Post by osubeaver2018 on Feb 14, 2020 13:16:52 GMT -8
Also one thing I don't think has been mentioned yet... 11 assists from ET. Maybe the guy can play the point after all?
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Post by mbabeav on Feb 14, 2020 13:35:24 GMT -8
Also one thing I don't think has been mentioned yet... 11 assists from ET. Maybe the guy can play the point after all? He's distributing the ball well, but I sure liked watching Lucas bring the ball up the court - the kid is hell on wheels - 100% twitch muscle, hurt my neck snapping my head around to follow him up the floor a few times.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Feb 14, 2020 14:52:23 GMT -8
That was one the most solid performances I've seen from us in a long time. Good tenacious defense, spread the ball around on offense and kept the hammer down once we built up a lead. Turnovers were minimal thanks to Tinkle and Thompson not trying to force it into the lane too often. There really wasn't a portion of the game where I thought we looked bad which might be a first. Give credit to Wayne for putting two back to back performances together. Can he do a third and a fourth? What's the longest PAC12 win streak in Tinkle's tenure? Edit: And three pointers - we actually did pretty well beyond the arc !!! Tinkle's longest Pac-12 win streak has been three in 2015, 2016, and 2019. Robinson had a four-game win streak, if you count the two Tournament wins in 2012. Otherwise, Robinson also had three three-game win streaks (two in 2009, 1-11 in conference otherwise, and one in 2012). The next three games are winnable, unless one of the three opponents shoots out of their mind like Arizona State in Corvallis earlier this year. The final three games are also winnable, considering past results with Oregon presenting the stiffest competition. Right now, in order to feel great about Oregon State's Tournament chances: 6-0 + Pac-12 semifinal berth. 5-1 + Pac-12 Championship Game berth. The following would put Oregon State square on the bubble, but I am thinking that it probably would not be quite enough (having said that, it would be a close call IMO): 5-1 + Pac-12 semifinal berth. 4-2 + Pac-12 Championship Game berth. The following may (little better than a snowball's chance) get Oregon State in, if the wins are 10+ point wins and the losses are all by 1-2 points: 4-2 + Pac-12 semifinal berth. In order to get into the NIT, Oregon State needs to go at least 3-3 and probably at least 1-1 in the Pac-12 Tournament. That should get it done. Obviously, things like margin of victory and opponents' results may alter the foregoing projection.
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Post by osubeaver2018 on Feb 14, 2020 15:00:37 GMT -8
That was one the most solid performances I've seen from us in a long time. Good tenacious defense, spread the ball around on offense and kept the hammer down once we built up a lead. Turnovers were minimal thanks to Tinkle and Thompson not trying to force it into the lane too often. There really wasn't a portion of the game where I thought we looked bad which might be a first. Give credit to Wayne for putting two back to back performances together. Can he do a third and a fourth? What's the longest PAC12 win streak in Tinkle's tenure? Edit: And three pointers - we actually did pretty well beyond the arc !!! Tinkle's longest Pac-12 win streak has been three in 2015, 2016, and 2019. Robinson had a four-game win streak, if you count the two Tournament wins in 2012. Otherwise, Robinson also had three three-game win streaks (two in 2009, 1-11 in conference otherwise, and one in 2012). The next three games are winnable, unless one of the three opponents shoots out of their mind like Arizona State in Corvallis earlier this year. The final three games are also winnable, considering past results with Oregon presenting the stiffest competition. Right now, in order to feel great about Oregon State's Tournament chances: 6-0 + Pac-12 semifinal berth. 5-1 + Pac-12 Championship Game berth. The following would put Oregon State square on the bubble, but I am thinking that it probably would not be quite enough (having said that, it would be a close call IMO): 5-1 + Pac-12 semifinal berth. 4-2 + Pac-12 Championship Game berth. The following may (little better than a snowball's chance) get Oregon State in, if the wins are 10+ point wins and the losses are all by 1-2 points: 4-2 + Pac-12 semifinal berth. In order to get into the NIT, Oregon State needs to go at least 3-3 and probably at least 1-1 in the Pac-12 Tournament. That should get it done. Obviously, things like margin of victory and opponents' results may alter the foregoing projection. One thing we may need to consider as well is the "star player factor" for the NCAA tournament. The committee likes to get individual stars in the field and the perceived stardom of TT (regardless of what we may think of him, he's a media darling) may be helpful when it comes to Selection Sunday. It certainly helped in '16 with GP2. There was a lot of discussion on whether the committee was going to take Murray State and Ja Morant last year, and my guess is they would have if they hadn't won their conference tournament. 4-2 is absolutely a minimum I agree, but our chances may be a little better than we think if we get to that point.
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Post by zeroposter on Feb 14, 2020 15:17:18 GMT -8
Just close out strongly and put most of our gripes to rest. Good win. I personally agree with 111 at times and drunkandstup at times. I know squat so wins please me.
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Post by atownbeaver on Feb 14, 2020 15:28:09 GMT -8
Tinkle's longest Pac-12 win streak has been three in 2015, 2016, and 2019. Robinson had a four-game win streak, if you count the two Tournament wins in 2012. Otherwise, Robinson also had three three-game win streaks (two in 2009, 1-11 in conference otherwise, and one in 2012). The next three games are winnable, unless one of the three opponents shoots out of their mind like Arizona State in Corvallis earlier this year. The final three games are also winnable, considering past results with Oregon presenting the stiffest competition. Right now, in order to feel great about Oregon State's Tournament chances: 6-0 + Pac-12 semifinal berth. 5-1 + Pac-12 Championship Game berth. The following would put Oregon State square on the bubble, but I am thinking that it probably would not be quite enough (having said that, it would be a close call IMO): 5-1 + Pac-12 semifinal berth. 4-2 + Pac-12 Championship Game berth. The following may (little better than a snowball's chance) get Oregon State in, if the wins are 10+ point wins and the losses are all by 1-2 points: 4-2 + Pac-12 semifinal berth. In order to get into the NIT, Oregon State needs to go at least 3-3 and probably at least 1-1 in the Pac-12 Tournament. That should get it done. Obviously, things like margin of victory and opponents' results may alter the foregoing projection. One thing we may need to consider as well is the "star player factor" for the NCAA tournament. The committee likes to get individual stars in the field and the perceived stardom of TT (regardless of what we may think of him, he's a media darling) may be helpful when it comes to Selection Sunday. It certainly helped in '16 with GP2. There was a lot of discussion on whether the committee was going to take Murray State and Ja Morant last year, and my guess is they would have if they hadn't won their conference tournament. 4-2 is absolutely a minimum I agree, but our chances may be a little better than we think if we get to that point. Wins, losses, stats, computers are the show. The smoke and mirrors to make the process look and feel like it has integrity. The selection committee is selling games. that is their #1 job. outside the auto bids and ranked teams, it is always going to be teams that get viewers. The marketability of a team matters.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Feb 14, 2020 17:10:04 GMT -8
Just close out strongly and put most of our gripes to rest. Good win. I personally agree with 111 at times and drunkandstup at times. I know squat so wins please me. Sad thing is, the Beavs could finish strong and the gripes wouldn't go to rest if other teams finish strong/stronger and the Beavs get knocked out of of a tournament spot. Improvement and competitiveness doesn't cut it with some posters. By every measure I looked up (sagarin, NET and a couple others) the Beavs finished last year in the top 110 teams (often much lower, they were 87th in the NET) in the nation but didn't make the 3 tournaments that have 130 spots available, the NCAA tourney they didn't deserve, the NIT they deserved but auto-qualifiers filled up spots, and the CBI will probably never invite OSU again (at least a Tinkle led team) after we turned them down in Tinkle's first season.
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Post by baseba1111 on Feb 14, 2020 17:40:51 GMT -8
Just close out strongly and put most of our gripes to rest. Good win. I personally agree with 111 at times and drunkandstup at times. I know squat so wins please me. Sad thing is, the Beavs could finish strong and the gripes wouldn't go to rest if other teams finish strong/stronger and the Beavs get knocked out of of a tournament spot. Improvement and competitiveness doesn't cut it with some posters. By every measure I looked up (sagarin, NET and a couple others) the Beavs finished last year in the top 110 teams (often much lower, they were 87th in the NET) in the nation but didn't make the 3 tournaments that have 130 spots available, the NCAA tourney they didn't deserve, the NIT they deserved but auto-qualifiers filled up spots, and the CBI will probably never invite OSU again (at least a Tinkle led team) after we turned them down in Tinkle's first season. What matters is what happens within the program... recruiting, player development, etc. And, even you thought this team would be closer to 8-4 than 5-7 so how's that improvement? Comparison measures are completely subjective. What is strong? Stronger? And, if teams finish stronger and get postseason spots isn't that a fairly important sign. You know finishing below other teams is what counts! As far as any ratings they aren't comparable year to year... teams, players, schedules aren't constant. The same goes with tourney invites. There is no consistent selection criteria after the autos. So improvement does matter... being better than other teams in the Pac12... recruiting, winning. Competitiveness means only so much when you're program is 22 games under .500 in league play after 5 2/3 seasons. Winning matters. What doesn't matter to some posters is the lack of success, the consistent inconsistency, the lack of successful recruiting, the transfer out of 11 of the last 20 recruits. Temporary outcomes don't change the current status of major issues with the program.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Feb 14, 2020 22:45:13 GMT -8
Sad thing is, the Beavs could finish strong and the gripes wouldn't go to rest if other teams finish strong/stronger and the Beavs get knocked out of of a tournament spot. Improvement and competitiveness doesn't cut it with some posters. By every measure I looked up (sagarin, NET and a couple others) the Beavs finished last year in the top 110 teams (often much lower, they were 87th in the NET) in the nation but didn't make the 3 tournaments that have 130 spots available, the NCAA tourney they didn't deserve, the NIT they deserved but auto-qualifiers filled up spots, and the CBI will probably never invite OSU again (at least a Tinkle led team) after we turned them down in Tinkle's first season. What matters is what happens within the program... recruiting, player development, etc. And, even you thought this team would be closer to 8-4 than 5-7 so how's that improvement? Comparison measures are completely subjective. What is strong? Stronger? And, if teams finish stronger and get postseason spots isn't that a fairly important sign. You know finishing below other teams is what counts! As far as any ratings they aren't comparable year to year... teams, players, schedules aren't constant. The same goes with tourney invites. There is no consistent selection criteria after the autos. So improvement does matter... being better than other teams in the Pac12... recruiting, winning. Competitiveness means only so much when you're program is 22 games under .500 in league play after 5 2/3 seasons. Winning matters. What doesn't matter to some posters is the lack of success, the consistent inconsistency, the lack of successful recruiting, the transfer out of 11 of the last 20 recruits. Temporary outcomes don't change the current status of major issues with the program. You keep throwing out the 22 games down because it bolsters your argument, even though year three was an aberration. The Beavs could have been 11 and 7 in league each year except that 1 year and still been below .500 at the start of this season and you could make your ”loser in league play” argument. That one season of being 17 below in the win column will take years to offset, two perfect seasons would barely do it, multiple good seasons could occur before he’d be to .500 so you’ve given yourself years to make that argument. You make the same argument the anti-Riley crowd that counted his first two seasons against his overall record. I’m not saying Tinkle is Riley, but you sound just like several of the anti-Riley posters over the years.
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Post by baseba1111 on Feb 14, 2020 22:51:03 GMT -8
What matters is what happens within the program... recruiting, player development, etc. And, even you thought this team would be closer to 8-4 than 5-7 so how's that improvement? Comparison measures are completely subjective. What is strong? Stronger? And, if teams finish stronger and get postseason spots isn't that a fairly important sign. You know finishing below other teams is what counts! As far as any ratings they aren't comparable year to year... teams, players, schedules aren't constant. The same goes with tourney invites. There is no consistent selection criteria after the autos. So improvement does matter... being better than other teams in the Pac12... recruiting, winning. Competitiveness means only so much when you're program is 22 games under .500 in league play after 5 2/3 seasons. Winning matters. What doesn't matter to some posters is the lack of success, the consistent inconsistency, the lack of successful recruiting, the transfer out of 11 of the last 20 recruits. Temporary outcomes don't change the current status of major issues with the program. You keep throwing out the 22 games down because it bolsters your argument, even though year three was an aberration. The Beavs could have been 11 and 7 in league each year except that 1 year and still been below .500 at the start of this season and you could make your ”loser in league play” argument. That one season of being 17 below in the win column will take years to offset, two perfect seasons would barely do it, multiple good seasons could occur before he’d be to .500 so you’ve given yourself years to make that argument. You make the same argument the anti-Riley crowd that counted his first two seasons against his overall record. I’m not saying Tinkle is Riley, but you sound just like several of the anti-Riley posters over the years. LOL... if he were 11-7 each year besides that one there would be no complaint. That'd mean OSU is top 4 in the Pac12 4 of his 5 previous years. But, then again your "if" then makes this season worse! Actually I don't... I was pro MR and his overall record does include those two years as he was the HC of record. But, then again WT didn't inherit anything close to the dumpster fire, nor is it the same challenge to turn around a D1 hoops program as it is a football program. Add that MR wasn'there for year 3, but his recruiting was such that if so, the record wouldn't have fallen off the cliff with a key injury. It's pretty simple... anomaly? What's his Pac12 record? As much as you keep wanting it not to "count" it does. You see every season counts. Period. No more excuses.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Feb 14, 2020 23:06:41 GMT -8
Riley inherited a team that had virtually all of the scholarships filled. Tinkle inherited a team that had almost 50% of the scholarships unfilled. Pettibone recruits were still playing when OSU went to the Fiesta Bowl two years after Riley left for San Diego. Tinkle had no Robinson recruits year three. Riley did not have a winning Pac 12 record until the end of his 9th season here and a couple posters were making that argument loudly. Once he surpassed .500 they started making the argument that he didn’t win on the road, that one took another couple years to beat. I know you were pro-Riley, but just like the anti-Riley crowd held the inheritance of a weak team/program against him, you are making the same argument against Tinkle.
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Post by baseba1111 on Feb 14, 2020 23:12:05 GMT -8
Riley inherited a team that had virtually all of the scholarships filled. Tinkle inherited a team that had almost 50% of the scholarships unfilled. Pettibone recruits were still playing when OSU went to the Fiesta Bowl two years after Riley left for San Diego. Tinkle had no Robinson recruits year three. Riley did not have a winning Pac 12 record until the end of his 9th season here and a couple posters were making that argument loudly. Once he surpassed .500 they started making the argument that he didn’t win on the road, that one took another outlet years to beat. Excuses excuses... now you're bringing in MR. Cuz you know football hoops are so related. Start talking about coaching... you know recruiting success... coaching acumen... consistency/lack there of... Pac12 record... the great player development. But, you're a believer, I'm not. You accept mediocrity and will find any excuse to justify. I don't think OSU has to accept mediocrity at $2.2+ mil a year. We'll agree to disagree.
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Post by sagebrush on Feb 15, 2020 4:45:04 GMT -8
One other thing. Unlike football, one player in basketball can turn a team from mediocre to highly competitive. Only five a side and they play both ways.
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Post by tnarg33 on Feb 15, 2020 5:05:59 GMT -8
Riley inherited a team that had virtually all of the scholarships filled. Tinkle inherited a team that had almost 50% of the scholarships unfilled. Pettibone recruits were still playing when OSU went to the Fiesta Bowl two years after Riley left for San Diego. Tinkle had no Robinson recruits year three. Riley did not have a winning Pac 12 record until the end of his 9th season here and a couple posters were making that argument loudly. Once he surpassed .500 they started making the argument that he didn’t win on the road, that one took another outlet years to beat. Excuses excuses... now you're bringing in MR. Cuz you know football hoops are so related. Start talking about coaching... you know recruiting success... coaching acumen... consistency/lack there of... Pac12 record... the great player development. But, you're a believer, I'm not. You accept mediocrity and will find any excuse to justify. I don't think OSU has to accept mediocrity at $2.2+ mil a year. We'll agree to disagree. But I’m not saying I think he should be fired 🤦🏼
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