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Post by bennyskid on Feb 13, 2020 11:45:59 GMT -8
I didn't hear Scott's rant as being about ASU. It was about how the NCAA sends out videos every year showing how they expect games to be called . . . and then they don't follow through by actually calling the games like they said.
You can see some of these videos on youtube (e.g. ).
Supposedly making the game more "free-flowing" has been a point of emphasis for the last several years. What we're getting from the refs is anything but "free-flowing".
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Post by baseba1111 on Feb 13, 2020 12:11:08 GMT -8
I didn't hear Scott's rant as being about ASU. It was about how the NCAA sends out videos every year showing how they expect games to be called . . . and then they don't follow through by actually calling the games like they said. You can see some of these videos on youtube (e.g. ). Supposedly making the game more "free-flowing" has been a point of emphasis for the last several years. What we're getting from the refs is anything but "free-flowing". Unless "free flowing" also means let them play some and not a bunch of stoppages?! ASU is/was not breaking the rules. Officiating did not lose OSU the first game nor keep the 2nd game close. The style of play of certain teams varies, to each their own. I know SR is seen as some unfallable being on this board... but, SR has no biz calling out another coach or style of play. His job is to get his team ready to play for each and every opponents' style. He chooses to have a more methodical play calling offense that requires lots of movement and screens. It is disrupted by physical play... so adjust, don't bitch after the fact. Especially after a game OSU was extremely lucky to win and the officiating had zero to do with all the poor shots, missed wide open opportunities, and careless unforced turnovers. His comments were best reserved for the admin and correspondence to the Pac12 if he felt that strongly. The public airing of personal opinions and interpretations don't do him or his players any good. It's now a sound bit in his own players head. If similar play occurs how will they respond? I can guarantee both SC and UCLA are physical with OSU... in different ways/style just as Zona was. The head coach of OSU has just told the rest of the league it is bothersome to him and his team, hence a pronounced weakness and a way to get into his/their headspace. Play ball. Same style play didn't seem to emote similar rants when OSU was winning the league. It now seems petty and whiny. |
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Post by beavershoopsfan on Feb 13, 2020 12:40:29 GMT -8
There is a lot of truth in what baseba1111 writes above. I am all for standing up for your players. However, the postgame comments following the Arizona game do come off as excuse making and whiney.
It is true that OSU plays a very "clean" defensive style and fouls less on average than other teams. ASU's style is in sharp contrast to that. OSU simply needs to prepare for significant physical contact and play through it.
There will be no assistance from PAC-12 refs going forward. Criticizing them openly doesn't win them over to your side.
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Post by sparty on Feb 13, 2020 12:48:37 GMT -8
Can you image what the game will be like if they meet in the Pac12 tournament.
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Post by nwhoopfan on Feb 13, 2020 13:39:08 GMT -8
Kelly Graves made basically the same kind of comments as Rueck has been making, during his halftime interview of their game against ASU.
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Post by 411500 on Feb 13, 2020 14:01:19 GMT -8
nwhoopfan: I agree. When Rueck made those comments I thought he was pushing the boundary of ref ranting....But it was also a slam on ASU's pushing contact to the boundary and beyond AND not getting called for it...
Shifting gears: I compare ASU's grabby, muscle defence to football teams with defensive backs who clutch, grab, hook on every play and force the refs to choose - on virtually every play - whether a holding penalty will be called....
I watch ASU game film closely, and their away-from-the-ball contact, pushing and grabbing is well camouflaged...It is not grossly obvious, but it's there.....
I agree with baseba1111 on this one. Rueck should have kept quiet. (Graves also). Better to file these complaints thru the proper officials. Network with other coaches to make the same complaints...
Rueck came very close to claiming the refs were blind and inept. That's a no-no whatever the situation....
GO BEAVS !!
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Post by beavershoopsfan on Feb 13, 2020 14:11:07 GMT -8
Kelly Graves made basically the same kind of comments as Rueck has been making, during his halftime interview of their game against ASU. CTT had also questioned the officials during a halftime interview when her squad was playing UCLA. My guess is that the PAC-12 will soon be announcing its discipline to perhaps all three of those coaches for their recent comments about the officiating. The fact that three of the conference's more successful coaches have commented on officiating in front of the media will likely translate to some corrective action to be announced by the league office soon. |
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Post by beaverstever on Feb 13, 2020 15:56:22 GMT -8
I agree also with baseba11 that it very much signals that CTT is in Rueck's head, and it surprised me that Rueck doesn't get that. It also explains why ASU continues to have our number. At least with Graves, they figured out to more than neutralize the impact. People like to rip Sabrina for her dramatics and getting foul calls, but that's how you neutralize the subtle fouls - you force them into the open. I honestly don't know why our team doesn't do more of that, particularly since we're a fitness team. I hate seeing things like Pivec go to the basket, get hammered by McDonald for what should have been an and-1, but Pivec doesn't even flinch and gives the refs a path to brush off the impact of the foul. It should need to be that way, but until the game is called by robots, it's going to be.
On the flip side, Rueck likes his team to push the boundaries of the moving screen call, and we get called on them a lot, but the refs can't call every one of those either.
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Post by bvrbooster on Feb 13, 2020 16:55:17 GMT -8
Did not Rueck simply respond to a question? He didn't open his remarks by complaining about ASU's physical play, did he? So if it was in response to a query, shouldn't he give an honest answer? I fail to see how it's disrespectful to describe a team's style of play in the way you, and many, many others, perceive it.
Charli's supposed outrage sounds like John Gotti's lawyer being deeply offended by the District Attorney's office even considering the possibility that his client might be linked to organized crime.
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Post by nwhoopfan on Feb 13, 2020 17:10:19 GMT -8
I thought when Rueck really went off was after the Arizona game, not ASU. CTT must've been feeling guilty to assume those comments were directed toward her team.
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Post by beaveragain on Feb 13, 2020 17:10:31 GMT -8
In my experience complaints to officialdom almost never results in change. Also in my experience complaints in the open have two consequences.
A- Officialdom gets mad at you.
B- Occasionally things change.
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Post by sewingbeaver on Feb 13, 2020 19:51:32 GMT -8
GT writer Hampton summarizes what was said across the two post game pressers:
I think that if there are videos produced that clearly explain what is and isn't rules violations, then it's a fair thing to expect the officials to call games accordingly.
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Post by baseba1111 on Feb 13, 2020 21:08:58 GMT -8
GT writer Hampton summarizes what was said across the two post game pressers:
I think that if there are videos produced that clearly explain what is and isn't rules violations, then it's a fair thing to expect the officials to call games accordingly.
Fair? Rules are black and white. The game is played in real time with high level athletes, hence interpretation is the basis on which officiating is done. Just like plays called don't always unfold as drawn, the same happens in rule interpretations. Coaches shouldn't be focusing on officiating. They are not part of other games or conferences and have no idea of what is consistently being called or not called. If EVERYTHING was called by the book/video the game would last 4 hours. Try officiating... even at lower levels it be a handful. But, for the most part out of 100s of calls officials get it right 95%+ of the time. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Feb 13, 2020 21:31:01 GMT -8
GT writer Hampton summarizes what was said across the two post game pressers:
I think that if there are videos produced that clearly explain what is and isn't rules violations, then it's a fair thing to expect the officials to call games accordingly.
Fair? Rules are black and white. The game is played in real time with high level athletes, hence interpretation is the basis on which officiating is done. Just like plays called don't always unfold as drawn, the same happens in rule interpretations. Coaches shouldn't be focusing on officiating. They are not part of other games or conferences and have no idea of what is consistently being called or not called. If EVERYTHING was called by the book/video the game would last 4 hours. Try officiating... even at lower levels it be a handful. But, for the most part out of 100s of calls officials get it right 95%+ of the time. With all due respect. I value Scott Rueck's opinions on officiating more than I do yours. Don't take it personally. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Feb 13, 2020 21:44:00 GMT -8
Fair? Rules are black and white. The game is played in real time with high level athletes, hence interpretation is the basis on which officiating is done. Just like plays called don't always unfold as drawn, the same happens in rule interpretations. Coaches shouldn't be focusing on officiating. They are not part of other games or conferences and have no idea of what is consistently being called or not called. If EVERYTHING was called by the book/video the game would last 4 hours. Try officiating... even at lower levels it be a handful. But, for the most part out of 100s of calls officials get it right 95%+ of the time. With all due respect. I value Scott Rueck's opinions on officiating more than I do yours. Don't take it personally. Yet they both get the same result. Except mine don't cost OSU points... almost a game. |
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