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Post by spudbeaver on Feb 14, 2020 21:40:20 GMT -8
Rough game by Maddie. This was her time with KB out, it's her time to shine, and it didn't go well. I'm not really sure why Rueck doesn't take the TO issue more seriously, including our lack of forcing TOs them the other way. For years, he's had success making up that difference with shooting % delta as well as rebounding. Unfortunately this team isn't outshooting the opponents in Pac-12 play, and the rebounding advantage often isn't making up for the TO disadvantage either, as it didn't tonight. I'm half serious that they could have Destiny play James Harden offense and be better off (isolate and let her work her own shot) - it would at least eliminate the TOs from trying to force passes and/or our bigs getting out-quicked. Not what I want to see, just saying that we need to fix that - It's really hard to win games with you have to overcome 10+ fewer possessions every time. I was much more worried about Onyenwere without KB than Pili... now I'm even moreso. Slocum only took like 4 shots until late in the 4th when it was clearly in peril. Didn’t seem to make sense. I like your idea. |
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Feb 14, 2020 22:09:38 GMT -8
Destiny got a cheap offensive foul called on her in the beginning of the game and it seemed to set her back.
Something is fishy when we out foul usc.
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Post by sparty on Feb 14, 2020 22:20:03 GMT -8
Wow! I didn't see that coming in a million years. SC sucks and the Beavs found a way to lose to them. What the he(( is going on with this team?! Rueck is much better than this! I didn't get to see any of the game but simply losing any way to SC is pathetic. this team isn’t the same since Kennedy Brown got injured. Really?, things were sort of going down hill before that. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Feb 14, 2020 22:30:24 GMT -8
Wow! I didn't see that coming in a million years. SC sucks and the Beavs found a way to lose to them. What the he(( is going on with this team?! Rueck is much better than this! I didn't get to see any of the game but simply losing any way to SC is pathetic. this team isn’t the same since Kennedy Brown got injured. This is the same ball that began in Zona and KB was there and healthy. SC has 7 frosh(5 outstanding frosh), one returning starter and out played OSU. They played excellent D. They shredded the zone. They had 8 total healthy players available. And a 6' frosh dominated the paint. The same type of ball has been the Achilles heel for a few seasons... quickness and physical m2m play. It has zero to do with KB or officials. It's not rocket science. From day 1 this team was not as deeply talented as past OSU teams that go deep into the postseason. Two injuries accentuated that. I mentioned in another thread, this is the most unstructured SR team I've seen. Too much isolation, stagnation, and far more individual plays than set plays. Destiny is playing the game Destiny knows. This is not on her. But, as I was so chided early in her time, it's not the type of game SR employed before she began play. Doubly the players just aren't as fundamentally sound and efficient. Screens and using them is the most obvious to me. I'm still of the opinion that this was a transition season. Tough for the seniors, but it's a two year rebuild/load to build quality depth and experience to compete with the top of the Pac12. OSU recruiting didn't really pan out for a couple years... bad luck, holes at certain positions. Couple that with some teams getting some great classes OSU is having to catch up a bit. It happens. Hard to sustain the excellence this program has had. Besides, there is no reason this team can't explode and beat a UCLA team. One at a time. |
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Post by blastingsand on Feb 14, 2020 23:08:23 GMT -8
People here acting like we just lost Breanna Stewart in the team. While KB is a good, talented freshman, it's quite silly to put the blame in her absence.
This is still a good team, and very capable of doing big things. The players left in the team that are healthy are no slouches.
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Post by rafer on Feb 14, 2020 23:18:02 GMT -8
People here acting like we just lost Breanna Stewart in the team. While KB is a good, talented freshman, it's quite silly to put the blame in her absence. This is still a good team, and very capable of doing big things. The players left in the team that are healthy are no slouches. This team is not a good team right now, period. They are losing confidence right and left. It will likely be 2 and bbq in the pac12. Sad way to go out for them this year. SR needs to regroup. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Feb 14, 2020 23:32:10 GMT -8
People here acting like we just lost Breanna Stewart in the team. While KB is a good, talented freshman, it's quite silly to put the blame in her absence. This is still a good team, and very capable of doing big things. The players left in the team that are healthy are no slouches. This team is not a good team right now, period. They are losing confidence right and left. It will likely be 2 and bbq in the pac12. Sad way to go out for them this year. SR needs to regroup. Well... lose 1 and done in Pac12. Some key games, but unless OSU beats UCLA or Furd (or both) they'll prob finish 6th. ASU has a very easy finishing schedule and have the tie breaker vs OSU by beating ucks. After OSU, UCLA has soft finish. While Furd has OSU and ucks left. In either case OSU in 6th plays 11th UW, win plays either UCLA or Furd. Guessing it'll be Furd as the 3rd place team. Unless they win two I'm guessing OSU prob drops to a 5 or last 4 seed. Guessing they end as a 5 seed. Certainly not a terrible season. |
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Post by nwhoopfan on Feb 15, 2020 0:15:22 GMT -8
"Why would you be worried about USC?" they said. A few of us had a suspicion there was reason to be worried.
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Post by 2ndGenBeaver on Feb 15, 2020 0:39:52 GMT -8
- Refs were definitely sending a message in this game, in terms of allowing physical play, and making sure all of the calls that could be made against OSU were made.... SR's outspoken comments on physicality have likely dug the team a bit of an officiating hole this season. Physical play is here to stay, and we as a program are slow to react to that fact. So for all I know, the physical play is just becoming more obvious, as is OSU's rapidly aging finesse approach.
- Mik was almost trying to do too much this game - led to the dribble stops under the basket in traffic, some uncharacteristic turnovers and fouls. Some of that might have been.....
- DS was trying to do too little in this game until the 4th quarter. Either our offense or their defense led to her not being a factor in 75% of the game. I think DS still has potential and headroom to grow, but I have always wondered if her "freelance" style, where she is at her best, meshes with the SR choreography
- Speaking of, SR sure has upped the in-game play calling, though it eats precious shot and game clock seconds, and not conducive to playing from behind
- From my cheap seats, Maddie seems to have taken a step backward this season. I wonder why that is - she started ~19 games last season and was more of a presence.
- Wishing does nothing, but I sure wish we had given Morris much, much more playing time early....though of course that could have hindered the progression of KB and TJ
- Janessa seemed to be more energetic and aggressive last season as well - she passed up several opportunities against UA that last season she might have taken
- KB missing is bad, but we were also supposed to get Jelena back after a "minor" injury......
- Many of the 'investments' SR made have not paid off this season, while in years past one or two "Kolbie Leaps" would happen, this year any leaps have been backwards.
- Setting screens remains a challenge for this team.
- Ball security remains a challenge for this team
- TJ progression and growth has been a bright spot
- Between our walking wounded bigs and our outside shot leaving town, we are likely more of a middle-of-the-Pac team, and that may still be an amazing coaching job by SR.
- Agree now with some posters who said this year would be a bit of a transition, turning out that way.
- We need a very vocal, visible leader on the court - this year that has been SR, and that is not good
- We have been spoiled - WBB in the Pac-12 is a thing now, and many of the schools have gotten great talent on the court and sideline and "caught up" or passed us: challenge now is to remain upper-tier (Cal/UW show what can happen in a New York minute).
This off season will certainly be one of licking wounds, getting healthy and reinventing ourselves, but still much season left right now, and I hope the Beavers can make a run.
Go Beavers!
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Post by osu82 on Feb 15, 2020 0:55:45 GMT -8
Rough game by Maddie. This was her time with KB out, it's her time to shine, and it didn't go well. I'm not really sure why Rueck doesn't take the TO issue more seriously, including our lack of forcing TOs them the other way. For years, he's had success making up that difference with shooting % delta as well as rebounding. Unfortunately this team isn't outshooting the opponents in Pac-12 play, and the rebounding advantage often isn't making up for the TO disadvantage either, as it didn't tonight. I'm half serious that they could have Destiny play James Harden offense and be better off (isolate and let her work her own shot) - it would at least eliminate the TOs from trying to force passes and/or our bigs getting out-quicked. Not what I want to see, just saying that we need to fix that - It's really hard to win games with you have to overcome 10+ fewer possessions every time. I was much more worried about Onyenwere without KB than Pili... now I'm even moreso. The difference in the game was turnovers, even though Beavs had their usual problems scoring the ball. USC outscored OSU 22-4 on pts off TO's. Unfortunately, sloppiness with the ball is a characteristic of Rueck teams. I'm sure he doesn't like it but he has been unable to consistently change it either. I was thinking OSU would pull out a narrow win here. Oregon blew out UCLA tonight so the Beavs get a motivated UCLA team. I'm afraid it's not going to go well. |
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Post by billsaab on Feb 15, 2020 5:34:54 GMT -8
A lot of good comments. All of us are Frustrated. The Turnovers are a huge issue. The standing around running down the clock is just silly Basketball. The poor passing the inability to shoot well tells Me He needs to change his style. I watched the game after coming back from Baseball in Surprise. I watched Oregon clobber UCLA. They move freely,do not turn over the ball 23 times a game and shoot well. They seldom take 25 seconds jacking around with the ball.
It was said earlier we are not very good. Some of that is on Coach because some players simply cannot contribute at a high level. It is not just next Man up because some just cannot fill in and make a difference.I like Scott but He has gotten away with this style because we could hit 3’s and could rebound. We rarely can blow out Teams that match up height wise. We have never seemed quick,and the game is changing as is the officiating. I suggest a more open offense earlier in clock.More relaxed so that not each game becomes a grind.
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Post by beaverwbb fan on Feb 15, 2020 8:44:26 GMT -8
I'll be the first to say that Kennedy Brown's offense was very disappointing this year, but her defense inside is also a whole lot better than Taylor or Maddie's. In the past two games our opponent's four has lit us up.
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Post by alwaysorange on Feb 15, 2020 9:21:15 GMT -8
22 turnovers is the key. Say you shoot just 4o%. That's roughly 9 made shots, 18 points. The game is a beaver blowout but for the turnovers.
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Post by beavershoopsfan on Feb 15, 2020 9:39:21 GMT -8
22 turnovers is the key. Say you shoot just 4o%. That's roughly 9 made shots, 18 points. The game is a beaver blowout but for the turnovers. Agreed. I think that at least 6 of the turnovers were offensive fouls or illegal screens against OSU. Do we really screen that poorly? I won't complain about the officiating. I think that OSU must count on playing through borderline calls and physicality the rest of the season. Calling out the officials in a press conference likely will have an undesired effect going forward. |
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Post by alwaysorange on Feb 15, 2020 9:47:47 GMT -8
people especially rueck can complain about the refs all day and night if you want. It won't change a thing. This team is not nearly aggressive enough. We now have three bigs plus taya that aren't playing. Plus two other bigs that are virtually getting no time. This team is now relying on one big ( freshman) and the rest under 6 feet. You can't play slow down with a line up like that.
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