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Post by beaveragain on Feb 9, 2020 17:01:14 GMT -8
Gee base, why would you feel guilty about that? Oh yeah, "Not deeply talented nor overly athletic".
Amnesia much?
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Post by beaverwbb fan on Feb 9, 2020 17:01:33 GMT -8
Arizona is a very talented, mature, and athletic team. If I had to guess they probably have right around as many four and five-stars as we did today, maybe a few less with all of their international players.
This was the first game where I thought Jones really struggled. It was obvious that stopping her was a part of their game plan, and McBryde played some terrific help side defense on her, and it seemed like she was surrounded by a few UA jerseys every time she caught the ball. Kat also seems scared to throw it in to her. Regardless, we need to get her more one-on-one scenarios, and sometimes she has to make quicker, better decisions. It is something that will improve as she matures.
It seemed like no one was able to create today except Destiny, who struggled more than usual to convert, but had a lot of assists. I thought she did a solid job of making plays.
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Post by Judge Smails on Feb 9, 2020 17:02:05 GMT -8
The head coach and assistants handle recruiting. He has the assistants he wants, otherwise he'd change them. No one in the administration is stopping him from anything. My point is that perhaps the A.D. is not providing sufficient funds to hire the best possible assistants the Coach would like to have and perhaps not enough travel expenses, etc. If you look at the past history of some major OSU sports programs that has not been an unusual occurrence. Women’s BB is not a major sport. It loses money. People bitch about Tinkle making too much, but Men’s BB actually makes money. The most overpaid coach that we have in a financial sense is SR. You want to throw more money at a sport that loses money in a bleeding AD department? You’ve got to get more revenue from football and men’s BB if you want to spend more elsewhere |
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Post by sparty on Feb 9, 2020 17:03:00 GMT -8
The head coach and assistants handle recruiting. He has the assistants he wants, otherwise he'd change them. No one in the administration is stopping him from anything. My point is that perhaps the A.D. is not providing sufficient funds to hire the best possible assistants the Coach would like to have and perhaps not enough travel expenses, etc. If you look at the past history of some major OSU sports programs that has not been an unusual occurrence. So have you heard that Scott wants different assistants? Maybe he likes the ones he has? Don't see any rifts here unless someone know more behind the scenes scoop. They all seem to get along extremely well from interactions I have seen.
Anyone tell me how the assistants are responsible for some of the injuries and losses and I will be willing to blame them if your case is good. |
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Post by newduke2 on Feb 9, 2020 17:14:52 GMT -8
IMO why this season is less than hoped for: 1. the upper teams in the Pac-12 (and nationally) have more overall athleticism and speed than OSU. I am not saying OSU players are not athletic, it's just that their average level is not quite as high. Some of their opponents are elite. 2. Without Taya (and now no Kennedy, no Andrea, no Jelena), OSU's front court depth, experience and ability took a huge hit. 3. While highly ranked recruits, Taylor and Kennedy are still inexperienced freshmen. 4. This year OSU was again going to have to rely on good outside 3 point shooting....but it's been a struggle far too often. I think people are using the term athleticism wrong. We have very skilled athletes. Our issues have to do with quickness. Other than DS, we do not have high level quickness. Doesn’t mean our players aren’t good athletes. I agree with you mostly, but jumping ability is part of athleticism too. Some of the 6-1 gals OSU plays against are not only quick horizontally, they are vertically quicker (ie. quick reflex jumpers) and they can jump higher! [ie. they can jump out their socks  ] You don't have to be 6'6" to be a good rebounder. (of course some of the best rebounders like Pivec may not jump the highest or quickest, but they anticipate better where the ball is going after a miss and they are in constant motion and hard to block out) |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Feb 9, 2020 17:15:09 GMT -8
The head coach and assistants handle recruiting. He has the assistants he wants, otherwise he'd change them. No one in the administration is stopping him from anything. My point is that perhaps the A.D. is not providing sufficient funds to hire the best possible assistants the Coach would like to have and perhaps not enough travel expenses, etc. If you look at the past history of some major OSU sports programs that has not been an unusual occurrence. Looking at the hometowns of our most recent recruits, sounds as if we have plenty of travel expenses. Support staff is also ample. Scott is one of the highest-paid Pac-12 coaches, his assistants do fine. The locker room just underwent an amazing makeover and we have an outstanding practice facility. We're recruiting higher-level players, so of course we lose out on more than we did going against non-elite competition. |
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Post by skyrider on Feb 9, 2020 17:18:21 GMT -8
I guess my thought is that the team has reached a point where several of the teams in the league appear to have caught up with or passed us in terms of where there programs are going.
Perhaps the reason is recruiting? I would be interested in hearing from others if they agree or disagree with me that we are in danger of no longer being an elite team in the PAC 12.
I think the most significant factor in our decline is the bad luck we have had with the two recent post players we recruited that have had significant health problems, but I also think recruiting may be an issue also.
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Post by Werebeaver on Feb 9, 2020 17:23:39 GMT -8
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Post by beavadelic on Feb 9, 2020 17:24:21 GMT -8
Sweet 16 is the ceiling for this team. Something is not right. Who would've thought they would be no better than last year? The loss of Katie Mac’s leadership was perhaps underestimated a bit. The loss of Taya (whether or not it showed in any one category, she is a 3 year starter with strengths and experience) hurt early. The two freshman bigs played quite well early, but they are freshmen, and the PAC 12 provides a crash course in grown up basketball - you can’t assume that the first year will be all roses, no matter how good you are. Kat is just not the same as she was before the injury last year, more streaky and less confident, and Aleah went through a brutal stretch of shooting that gave her confidence a serious challenge. We had every reason to expect more consistent shooting from Aleah, even Mik and Destiny, and hoped that Kat could approach her old, pre-injury status. The latter two have played their games and been really good for the most part, but the shot hasn’t always been there. Then Kennedy goes down on Thursday. When you factor in all of these unforeseen disappointments, it’s little wonder that the league schedule has been so trying for us. In this conference, you’d better be healthy and people have to play to their abilities every night if you plan to make a serious run at winning it (see Oregon). Every team has their setbacks, but nobody has had so many perplexing factors. It’s not just an athleticism thing - Destiny and Mik are on level with the best. Our team is just not delivering regularly, and I just don’t see an “it” factor like I have with some of our recent top-notch teams. The more I see us struggle, the more we look like a lower top 15 caliber team, maybe worthy of a 4 or 5 seed if we finish the regular season strong. There are still some land mines left on this schedule, and as our roster desintegrates and the confidence gets rocked, there won’t be any gimmees down the stretch. I love our women’s program, but I’m preparing myself for a relatively mild stint in the tourney unless something gets majorly ignited in the next couple of weeks. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Feb 9, 2020 17:29:53 GMT -8
Gee base, why would you feel guilty about that? Oh yeah, "Not deeply talented nor overly athletic". Amnesia much? Lol... So not deep with talent... not overly athletic is pretty obvious observation. But, try to cover all you want... NO ONE here used anything close to your language... like "losers" for one! Prob why you cut and paste... so your initial exaggeration wasn't revisited? Hey, here it is... "I had no idea the Beav's were such a bunch of untalented, nonathletic losers until I got online to read this stuff. Gosh, how did they ever win a game with these players." Keep digging... |
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Post by billsaab on Feb 9, 2020 17:32:44 GMT -8
I have seen us struggling for the last three or four Years against the physical style. Our players are good athletes,but the officials are allowing teams to be real physical. Our system seems to get slowed. I wonder why oregon pounded u of a and asu? We struggled so it appears quickness,tempo,philosophy and athleticism all have a part in it.
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Post by newduke2 on Feb 9, 2020 17:37:14 GMT -8
I guess my thought is that the team has reached a point where several of the teams in the league appear to have caught up with or passed us in terms of where there programs are going. Perhaps the reason is recruiting? I would be interested in hearing from others if they agree or disagree with me that we are in danger of no longer being an elite team in the PAC 12. I think the most significant factor in our decline is the bad luck we have had with the two recent post players we recruited that have had significant health problems, but I also think recruiting may be an issue also. I won't call it a decline yet until this season is done and we know how things "play" out in the 2 post-season tournaments. I won't call recruiting an issue unless there is good evidence the Rueck is going after the most athletic and skilled gals but losing out and "settling" for skilled but slightly less athletic gals. (((missing out on the older Sabaly sister 3 years ago may qualify however ))) One thing is undeniable - OSU is recruiting at its highest level ever...in fact, if Slocum returns next season, OSU will have THREE McDonald's AAs the team....Slocum, Brown, and Goforth. I do agree with you that the bar in the Pac-12 has been raised since OSU won 3 straight league championships. OR, Arizona, and UCLA have trended upwards since then (Stanford and AZ State were already very good in those 3 years). |
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Post by lebaneaver on Feb 9, 2020 17:37:57 GMT -8
We were fortunate to get a SPLIT at Gill. Not a criticism. Wondering how strong UA and ASU look next year. Danka
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Feb 9, 2020 17:48:41 GMT -8
Ya think maybe losing a junior 2-year starter might be a contributing factor? Injury issues are mounting. Corosdale is maybe a bit like McWilliams, more of an intangibles player than particularly productive. You're talking about career averages of a bit under 7 points and 6 boards.
There are 4 veteran guards who can all shoot the 3. Collectively they have not been as productive or as poised as I thought they would. Usually 1 or 2 of then have a good game, they haven't been firing on all cylinders all season.
There was expected to be a bunch of height and depth in the front court. That's pretty much evaporated. Morris didn't play today? It's down to Jones and a couple undersized players at this point.
As was pointed out earlier this month, Corosdale was still recovering from shoulder surgery injury for much of last season. When she finally got healthy, she averaged 7.5 points and 10.0 rebounds over our final eight games, against some of the best teams we played all season (Gonzaga, UCLA, ASU, Boise State, Louisville). She had three double-figure scoring games and four double-figure rebounding games. Her career averages undervalue her contribution, she was becoming a major player on the team down the stretch. One could easily see her averaging 10 points and 8-9 rebounds and giving us a lot more versatility and depth up front this year. It's really unfortunate we have not ever been at full strength since Kat got hurt last year. Two potentially really outstanding seasons were negatively impacted by injuries to crucial players. Injuries are part of the game but I'm not sure many other Pac-12 teams have been hurt to the extent we were/have been. |
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Post by nwhoopfan on Feb 9, 2020 17:54:53 GMT -8
We were fortunate to get a SPLIT at Gill. Not a criticism. Wondering how strong UA and ASU look next year. Danka Arizona brings back most of their team (assuming McDonald doesn't go early). Carter, Alonso and McBryde are Sr. Tee Tee Starks is listed as a Sr., she hasn't played at all, not sure if she'll get another year of eligibility. They have another good transfer, Pellington from Oklahoma, sitting out as a RS.
ASU will get hammered by graduation losses, but it seems like they do every year and somehow keep on keepin' on. Richardson, Russell, Ryan, Tapley and Ruden are Sr. That's most of their production.
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] You don't have to be 6'6" to be a good rebounder. (of course some of the best rebounders like Pivec may not jump the highest or quickest, but they anticipate better where the ball is going after a miss and they are in constant motion and hard to block out) 
