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Post by beaverstever on Jan 26, 2020 17:45:05 GMT -8
This was the brutal stretch of conference, and we went 1-4 ... and very close to 0-5. Not what a team with visions of an NC should do. However, it's not a surprise, and was largely an expected outcome for some of us based on how this team has been playing.
Now we will see if the team learns from it and fixes what they need to get there. I still very much believe this team has the talent to get it done, but they are a ways off currently:
- They have to fix their mentality around ball possession. They turn the ball over way too often, and need to fix that. Too often the TOs are around trying to to a higher-percentage shot. They need to learn a risky dribble/risky pass that leads to a TO is far worse than a low-percentage shot with the shot clock expiring, or even the shot clock expiring with no shot. This team surpasses 20 TOs in way too many games. And since our defensive scheme does not turn other teams over much, our TO delta is often large. That is difficult to overcome with shooting percentages.
- Speaking of shooting percentages, this stretch has had some awful stretches of players who have historically been efficient shooters. Too much of this season has been about relying on our defense to make the other team shoot a terrible percentage so that we don't need to be efficient to win. The also have been able to make up ground with offensive rebounding. Both of those things haven't been enough during this stretch, although they've kept them in games (Stanford's offensive rebounding was what closed the game out for them, so in some cases used against us).
It doesn't get much easier from here, as any team in the conference is capable of beating us. But the efforts during this stretch probably would be enough against much of the rest of the Pac. But the bottom line is that's not where they want to be, and they need to be finding another gear by the close of the season.
I also hope Rueck has learned from this. Two straight classes of nothing but bigs is biting us right now (and not helping that 2 of them aren't playing, and a 3rd isn't playing much). I suppose he didn't want a return of the situation where we basically just had Marie for options down low, and this team was loaded at the 1-3 spots on paper. The problem is that we could really use someone to push our upper-classmen guards right now with some youthful confidence, and all that's there to do that is a walk-on (who frankly has done more than her part towards that end).
Bottom line, I'm sure they are all super frustrated; feeling like you are under-achieving is a terrible feeling. They are now basically out of the running for a 1 seed and conference championship, so just go back to playing loose and enjoying ballin', and the confidence should return.
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Post by lotrader on Jan 26, 2020 18:07:53 GMT -8
I love coach Rueck, but I think he needs to grow too. We were getting stops on UO in 2nd half, and walked the ball up, letting UO set up their excellent defense. I would have liked to see us push the ball, put pressure on Duck defense at times before all of their defenders made it back down court. At least mix it up. We were too predictable.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jan 26, 2020 18:11:24 GMT -8
Losing Corosdale is hurting us. She was an outstanding, physical rebounder who could also spread the defense because teams had to be concerned about her 3-point shooting.
Brown had open 17-footers all game on Friday and Sunday that she simply passed up. She needs to get her 3-point shot back on the beam so teams can't collapse and clog the driving lanes and drive-and-kick passing from Destiny and Mik, which they couldn't do when Corosdale played.
That versatility finally made Deven Hunter much more effective her senior year when she quit being afraid to shoot the 3.
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Post by blodgettbeaver on Jan 26, 2020 18:35:16 GMT -8
Losing Corosdale is hurting us. She was an outstanding, physical rebounder who could also spread the defense because teams had to be concerned about her 3-point shooting. Brown had open 17-footers all game on Friday and Sunday that she simply passed up. She needs to get her 3-point shot back on the beam so teams can't collapse and clog the driving lanes and drive-and-kick passing from Destiny and Mik, which they couldn't do when Corosdale played. That versatility finally made Deven Hunter much more effective her senior year when she quit being afraid to shoot the 3. Corosdales 3 point shooting is a bit over exaggerated on this board. I wish she was healthy and playing don't get me wrong but half the games she has played in her career she was o'fer from the arc. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Jan 26, 2020 19:14:59 GMT -8
Losing Corosdale is hurting us. She was an outstanding, physical rebounder who could also spread the defense because teams had to be concerned about her 3-point shooting. Brown had open 17-footers all game on Friday and Sunday that she simply passed up. She needs to get her 3-point shot back on the beam so teams can't collapse and clog the driving lanes and drive-and-kick passing from Destiny and Mik, which they couldn't do when Corosdale played. That versatility finally made Deven Hunter much more effective her senior year when she quit being afraid to shoot the 3. Corosdales 3 point shooting is a bit over exaggerated on this board. I wish she was healthy and playing don't get me wrong but half the games she has played in her career she was o'fer from the arc. And, I'm not sure you could call her a physical rebounder. She got tons of long boards. Certainly not physical like Brown, Hunter, etc. She's definitely missed, but her importance in some areas is a bit exaggerated. Experience, team depth, versatility, toughness... but, without actually looking, over two seasons 6-7 pts and 6-7 reb/g... close? |
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Post by ricke71 on Jan 26, 2020 19:27:03 GMT -8
Corosdales 3 point shooting is a bit over exaggerated on this board. I wish she was healthy and playing don't get me wrong but half the games she has played in her career she was o'fer from the arc. And, I'm not sure you could call her a physical rebounder. She got tons of long boards. Certainly not physical like Brown, Hunter, etc. She's definitely missed, but her importance in some areas is a bit exaggerated. Experience, team depth, versatility, toughness... but, without actually looking, over two seasons 6-7 pts and 6-7 reb/g... close? Rounded to 7 pt, 8 rb last season. Points same as Freshman season.....Rebounds progressed nicely from Freshman season. Would progression have continued? 3 pt shooting regressed last season...but there was off season shoulder surgery. |
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Post by beaverwbb fan on Jan 26, 2020 19:35:15 GMT -8
A big difference is also that even though Corosdale's percentages were down, you still had to guard her tightly. Sabally sat in the paint most of the time against Brown.
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Post by sagebrush on Jan 26, 2020 19:45:56 GMT -8
Always push the ball. If you get the 4 on 3, 5 on 4, and can take advantage of it, fine. If not, have the discipline to set it up and run something. One thing for sure, if you don't push, you never get the numbers advantage and play into a set up defense, and in the case, a damn good one.
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Post by treasurevalleybeav on Jan 26, 2020 19:49:46 GMT -8
Simmons is a guard pushing for time. She rarely gets any despite being quite effective lately
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Post by baseba1111 on Jan 26, 2020 19:55:52 GMT -8
And, I'm not sure you could call her a physical rebounder. She got tons of long boards. Certainly not physical like Brown, Hunter, etc. She's definitely missed, but her importance in some areas is a bit exaggerated. Experience, team depth, versatility, toughness... but, without actually looking, over two seasons 6-7 pts and 6-7 reb/g... close? Rounded to 7 pt, 8 rb last season. Points same as Freshman season.....Rebounds progressed nicely from Freshman season. Would progression have continued? 3 pt shooting regressed last season...but there was off season shoulder surgery. To me the true difference between this team, even last year, and the elite SR teams is that physical hard nose presence... and depth in that area. Taylor may get there, but she's no Ruth or Marie. Brown is finesse, never going to be Breanna, or Colby, or Devin. Even the guard play is far more finesse. Only Mik could be said to be in the physical class of Jamie, Ali, even Katie. It's no surprise that physicality truly effects this team. |
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Post by beavershoopsfan on Jan 26, 2020 20:03:53 GMT -8
Simmons is a guard pushing for time. She rarely gets any despite being quite effective lately I think you may see Simmons play during the upcoming trip to Colorado and Utah, especially if the team can get a lead. I don't know how she would have handled the defense that Oregon applied in the second half. Ball handling and passing aren't her strengths right now and that was what was needed to attack the Oregon defense today. Our team defense was good enough to win today. Needed more efficient offense and better outside and mid-range shooting. Not sure is Simmons is ready to displace others ahead of her when the team really needs offensive help. |
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Post by beaveragain on Jan 26, 2020 20:14:21 GMT -8
Oregon State came into this game 2nd in the country in defensive rebounds. But every once in a while Freshmen get taught a new lesson, as they did in this game. Either they learn this lesson and it doesn't happen again, or others learn their weakness and it happens more. Have to wait until more games to find out.
And on turnovers. OSU is going to have more turnovers than the other team almost every time. That's almost the game plan. If this is going to cause you agony then get used to being in agony a lot.
U of O is probably playing about as well as they can, and maybe that's good enough to win a Nat. I see all sorts of possibilities for the Beav's improving this season, and I don't know where that would leave them.
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Post by beavershoopsfan on Jan 26, 2020 20:34:51 GMT -8
Always push the ball. If you get the 4 on 3, 5 on 4, and can take advantage of it, fine. If not, have the discipline to set it up and run something. One thing for sure, if you don't push, you never get the numbers advantage and play into a set up defense, and in the case, a damn good one. Amen to that. Slocum and Pivec can get out on the break and down the floor, but we seem to rarely push to take advantage of the opposing defenses before they are set up. We are forcing ourselves to grind out every possession. |
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Post by rafer on Jan 27, 2020 7:29:47 GMT -8
Do we stay in the top 15 at this point? I can see, given the recent performances and record, that they might send us to 15 or  Doesn't really matter, just wondering .. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jan 27, 2020 9:07:12 GMT -8
Corosdales 3 point shooting is a bit over exaggerated on this board. I wish she was healthy and playing don't get me wrong but half the games she has played in her career she was o'fer from the arc. And, I'm not sure you could call her a physical rebounder. She got tons of long boards. Certainly not physical like Brown, Hunter, etc. She's definitely missed, but her importance in some areas is a bit exaggerated. Experience, team depth, versatility, toughness... but, without actually looking, over two seasons 6-7 pts and 6-7 reb/g... close? She was coming off offseason surgery early last year. Once totally healthy, she averaged 10 rebounds in our final eight games, with 15 against Boise, 14 against Washington, 13 against Arizona, 11 against UCLA, nine vs. Louisville and seven each vs. Gonzaga and USC. I'm sure some of them were contested. Those are serious numbers. We miss her dearly. Corosdale average 7.8 rebounds last year. That's more than Deven Hunter ever averaged in any season during her career. |
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Doesn't really matter, just wondering ..