beav74
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Grad Year: OSU 1974
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Post by beav74 on Jan 20, 2020 13:31:43 GMT -8
Move Kat to the 3 position and Mik and Destiny take care of the backcourt. Aleah goes to first off the bench.
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Post by bvrbooster on Jan 20, 2020 17:14:29 GMT -8
Move Kat to the 3 position and Mik and Destiny take care of the backcourt. Aleah goes to first off the bench. I've thought that all along, and expected Scott to do it when Kat got back. Hard to break up a starting lineup that won the first 15 games, I suppose. But now would be a good time to make that switch. |
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Post by willtalk on Jan 22, 2020 11:42:12 GMT -8
That actually makes some sense. Having three on the ballplayers on the court at the same time is overkill at that skill position. Goodman was always better with the ball in her hands. I think Mik and Destiny have good chemistry working together as ball handlers, but Goodman does not look comfortable as the odd player out. Even at less than 100% laterally, Kat is still the best perimeter defender on the team. Starting off playing defense will take her mind off of having to produce as a shooter the minute she comes into the game. Shooters are better when they don't think. The same would hold true for Goodman except with her the focus would be on ball distribution instead of defense. Last season when Goodman came off the bench the offensive flow often got better. I also wonder if playing 3x3 all summer regressed the advancement she made the previous year in respect to creating a 5x5 team flow. I have often seen players come back from USA ball not being the same in a negative way.
I remember that last season I was commenting on how Patricia was hanging back and not challenging shots except for those close to the basket. Something I assumed she was taught to do during and before high school. Well I notice that Jones also does that. Now I am not just referring to not challenging a post who is beyond the 3pt line, but also shots shot with in the key. Scott pulled her out ( for a while ) because of that against Stanford. In college, there are many posts capable of shooting from distance and when they start to make shots you have to challenge them even beyond the 3pt line. You need to trust your teammates to cover the space you are leaving.
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Post by beaverwbb fan on Jan 22, 2020 11:46:04 GMT -8
That actually makes some sense. Having three on the ballplayers on the court at the same time is overkill at that skill position. Goodman was always better with the ball in her hands. I think Mik and Destiny have good chemistry working together as ball handlers, but Goodman does not look comfortable as the odd player out. Even at less than 100% laterally, Kat is still the best perimeter defender on the team. Starting off playing defense will take her mind off of having to produce as a shooter the minute she comes into the game. Shooters are better when they don't think. The same would hold true for Goodman except with her the focus would be on ball distribution instead of defense. Last season when Goodman came off the bench the offensive flow often got better. I also wonder if playing 3x3 all summer regressed the advancement she made the previous year in respect to creating a 5x5 team flow. I have often seen players come back from USA ball not being the same in a negative way. I remember that last season I was commenting on how Patricia was hanging back and not challenging shots except for those close to the basket. Something I assumed she was taught to do during and before high school. Well I notice that Jones also does that. Now I am not just referring to not challenging a post who is beyond the 3pt line, but also shots shot with in the key. Scott pulled her out ( for a while ) because of that against Stanford. In college, there are many posts capable of shooting from distance and when they start to make shots you have to challenge them even beyond the 3pt line. You need to trust your teammates to cover the space you are leaving. There are definitely times not to contest deep shots from bigs, but Fingall and (especially) Prechtel are not the opponents to not close out against. Hebard on the other hand, you don't have to go out to far to contest her shots. |
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Post by beavsteve on Jan 22, 2020 12:12:37 GMT -8
That actually makes some sense. Having three on the ballplayers on the court at the same time is overkill at that skill position. Goodman was always better with the ball in her hands. I think Mik and Destiny have good chemistry working together as ball handlers, but Goodman does not look comfortable as the odd player out. Even at less than 100% laterally, Kat is still the best perimeter defender on the team. Starting off playing defense will take her mind off of having to produce as a shooter the minute she comes into the game. Shooters are better when they don't think. The same would hold true for Goodman except with her the focus would be on ball distribution instead of defense. Last season when Goodman came off the bench the offensive flow often got better. I also wonder if playing 3x3 all summer regressed the advancement she made the previous year in respect to creating a 5x5 team flow. I have often seen players come back from USA ball not being the same in a negative way. I remember that last season I was commenting on how Patricia was hanging back and not challenging shots except for those close to the basket. Something I assumed she was taught to do during and before high school. Well I notice that Jones also does that. Now I am not just referring to not challenging a post who is beyond the 3pt line, but also shots shot with in the key. Scott pulled her out ( for a while ) because of that against Stanford. In college, there are many posts capable of shooting from distance and when they start to make shots you have to challenge them even beyond the 3pt line. You need to trust your teammates to cover the space you are leaving. There are definitely times not to contest deep shots from bigs, but Fingall and (especially) Prechtel are not the opponents to not close out against. Hebard on the other hand, you don't have to go out to far to contest her shots. I think that is true of Hebard, and it makes me wonder if Mitrovic might have the ability to shut her down with her defense in the key. As I recall, Grymek was useful against the ucks last year. At least against them, Jelena might be part of the “solution”. |
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Post by beavershoopsfan on Jan 22, 2020 12:23:15 GMT -8
Taking Goodman out of the starting lineup may take some pressure off from her. Worth a try because we are all hoping that some adjustment will return Goodman to her quality shooting self soon. Tudor's game doesn't include dribbling to create separation, so Slocum will be tasked with initiating the offense against what will likely be a zone to start with by Oregon on Friday.
Or, if Sabally or Ioenscu start the game guarding Pivec (like last season), then Pivec can initiate the offense and look to create shots for her teammates or probe the key to see where the help defense is coming from. Moore will likely start on Slocum if Oregon opts to go man. Starting Tudor will force Oregon to send a defender to the arc, freeing up Slocum and Pivec to drive and keep their dribble alive. And they both will need to keep their dribble alive in order to avoid the aggressive double teams that Oregon will send at the Beavs.
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Post by bvrbooster on Jan 22, 2020 13:22:49 GMT -8
There are definitely times not to contest deep shots from bigs, but Fingall and (especially) Prechtel are not the opponents to not close out against. Hebard on the other hand, you don't have to go out to far to contest her shots. I think that is true of Hebard, and it makes me wonder if Mitrovic might have the ability to shut her down with her defense in the key. As I recall, Grymek was useful against the ucks last year. At least against them, Jelena might be part of the “solution”. Based on Jonas Chatterton's non-specific comments at the Rebounders brown bag on Tuesday, I would think the odds of seeing Mitrovic in action anytime in the next few weeks are slim to none. |
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Post by beavsteve on Jan 22, 2020 15:38:14 GMT -8
I think that is true of Hebard, and it makes me wonder if Mitrovic might have the ability to shut her down with her defense in the key. As I recall, Grymek was useful against the ucks last year. At least against them, Jelena might be part of the “solution”. Based on Jonas Chatterton's non-specific comments at the Rebounders brown bag on Tuesday, I would think the odds of seeing Mitrovic in action anytime in the next few weeks are slim to none. Can you elaborate on that? It sounds like something many of us would care to hear about! |
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Post by bennyskid on Jan 22, 2020 15:51:32 GMT -8
Jonas simply said that she is still feeling some pain and probably won't be game ready for a while.
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Post by bvrbooster on Jan 22, 2020 16:22:07 GMT -8
Jonas simply said that she is still feeling some pain and probably won't be game ready for a while. That's correct. |
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Post by nwhoopfan on Jan 22, 2020 16:23:19 GMT -8
There have been a few teases about Jelena maybe seeing the court, but obviously she hasn't so far. It's halfway thru the season, she'll be way behind getting up to speed even if she is available.
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Post by nwhoopfan on Jan 22, 2020 16:24:30 GMT -8
RE: the OP, I wouldn't mind seeing that. Just try something different. Maybe it works, maybe it doesn't, but clearly Goodman has been struggling for a long stretch of the season.
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Post by beaverstever on Jan 22, 2020 16:59:36 GMT -8
I’m not understanding the pining for Jelena time. I personally see her offering less than Morris at this point given her conditions state, and that assumes full injury recovery. She’s shelved for the season in my mind, anything more is a bonus, and probably only helpful for preparing for next year at that.
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Post by beavdowg on Jan 23, 2020 8:03:49 GMT -8
From what I've seen of Jelena I think, although very tall, she will struggle against athletic bigs. I would include Hebard in that. If they can quickly change directions and up and under type stuff, I see Jelena as just just too slow to hang with that. I don't get all the pining for her to play, other than offering a breather for Taylor and uber size. My gut tells me she's another project. I'd like to see Rueck go after a super athletic big. But I'm sure every other coach in the country wants that too.
Go Beavs!!
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Post by beavsteve on Jan 23, 2020 10:55:25 GMT -8
I’m not understanding the pining for Jelena time. I personally see her offering less than Morris at this point given her conditions state, and that assumes full injury recovery. She’s shelved for the season in my mind, anything more is a bonus, and probably only helpful for preparing for next year at that. Obviously, no one knows for sure what Jelena can do to improve our team. We have only the video of her playing in the Serbian league. Though she is slow down-court, she shows decent quickness around the basket and a much better feel for the game than Jo Grymek. That is the basis of the hope that she will give our team the boost they seem to need to finish as a top seed and move deeper in the tournament. That hope and the desire to finally find out just how good she is explains why some people are anxious to see her take the court. That seems pretty easy to understand to me. Of course, with the latest news, chances now look pretty slim that we will see her any time soon. |
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