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Post by wbosh15 on Jan 19, 2020 14:47:19 GMT -8
This team definitely doesn't handle a rough and tumble games well. Lost two games in which the refs allowed rough play. Better figure out a way to win those type of games or the script on how to handle the Beavers is out there. This doesn't make sense to me. Slocum and Pivec are very strong physically and are veterans. They should be setting the tone to play thru this type of game. The problem is physical and 5’8 and physical and 5’10 aren’t quite as impactful as physical and 6’2. The length of the Hull twins was really impactful. |
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Post by billsaab on Jan 19, 2020 14:56:03 GMT -8
The other thing I see is hesitant players passing up open looks. That is on the Coach. Stanford was better at that. Those were 12 foot open shots we pass up for often a held ball. Hate to say it but we will be lucky to split next week.As much as I hate u of o they runaway much more uptempo style and ours peters out a lot.
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Post by grad1973 on Jan 19, 2020 15:00:50 GMT -8
I think Scott is struggling with how to handle equal or better teams then ours because the other teams have great to greater coaching also.These games have a lot to with spur of the moment decisions,and
Stanford is no slouch coaching wise. In order to beat Stanford you have to beat their players and out jock their coaches,
Tough venue for anybody
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Post by nwhoopfan on Jan 19, 2020 15:06:04 GMT -8
The other thing I see is hesitant players passing up open looks. That is on the Coach. Stanford was better at that. Those were 12 foot open shots we pass up for often a held ball. Hate to say it but we will be lucky to split next week.As much as I hate u of o they runaway much more uptempo style and ours peters out a lot. This is why I don't have as much problem w/ Brown's shooting as others do. At least she's aggressive, too many passive players on the floor for the Beavs. |
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Post by rafer on Jan 19, 2020 15:09:11 GMT -8
I think it will be all we can do to not get waxed by the Ducks. They score in bunches and scoring is not our strength. No a good matchup in that regard. Maybe our D will slow them down enough to give us a puncher's chance. Go Bears! The game at Eugene might be brutal. Decent chance Graves gets his first win at Gill😕 Still haven't seen the game yet, but from reading the T leaves on here, we will get boat raced next weekend, no chance apparently. Thinking that this team is not top 15 material right now, and stumbling down hill, according to the experts. If our best shooters can't throw it in the ocean we have zero chance of beating most PAC12 teams. Right now it looks like the ducks and floppsie beat us by 20+. Might be gut check time for this team to turn it around, final 8, doesn't look like it .... |
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Post by zeroposter on Jan 19, 2020 15:18:52 GMT -8
The other thing I see is hesitant players passing up open looks. That is on the Coach. Stanford was better at that. Those were 12 foot open shots we pass up for often a held ball. Hate to say it but we will be lucky to split next week.As much as I hate u of o they runaway much more uptempo style and ours peters out a lot. The first part is total bull. The players are in a collective shooting slump. It happens. Players don't take their usual shots because of a loss of confidence. Scott has the plays to get the shots. That is his job. Players will start hitting, gain confidence, and Scott will suddenly look like the great coach that he is. As far as the second part, we will see. I also think it might be a long week. But GO Beavs no matter. |
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Post by sagebrush on Jan 19, 2020 15:28:30 GMT -8
There is only one way for a shooter to break out of a slump: SHOOT!!!. Short term painful, long term success.
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Post by nwhoopfan on Jan 19, 2020 15:30:49 GMT -8
There is only one way for a shooter to break out of a slump: SHOOT!!!. Short term painful, long term success. Drawing fouls and getting to the FT line can help, but the shooters that are in a slump really aren't drivers. Although Tudor was 6-8 from the FT line today. |
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Post by beavheart on Jan 19, 2020 15:39:29 GMT -8
I have no idea what game some of you are watching. That "foul" on Pivec was a complete flop by Prochtel who fouled Pivec first with an elbow across her face, and then threw herself to the ground AFTER Pivec was by her. Should have been a technical for flopping. The officiating in this game has been abysmal. Pivec drives the lane, their big comes over and knocks her 3 feet sideways... no call and Pac-12 commentators drool over the "great defense". This crew is either really bad, or forgot where this game is being played. It's like we were the road team today. They got away with a ton of banging all game long. Why? If you just get all amped up and run around fast do fouls stop being fouls? This game was terribly officiated. Not unusual in the Pac-12 I'm afraid. That said. We are going to find tough sledding in this conference if we don't find a way to play through the physical play. Especially if we are allowed to be banged around in our own gym. The foul on Pivec at the end definitely involved some flopping by the defender but it’s going to be a pretty quick whistle when your arms come up like that and the defender goes down. I think they got it right by not calling it a tech on Pivec though. The other play you referenced the defender came in and got pretty good position before Pivec got there. It looked bad live but in the replay the defender got there. Pivec just ran into a bigger player. That was just one of many non-calls that the home team usually gets in this league. Their PG should have fouled out of the game in the first half for all the slapping and banging she was dishing out. She wasn't called for her first foul until the half was nearly over, and she had already banged Destiny 2 or 3 times at the top of key on the same possession. The ref basically had to call the foul because it was getting stupid how much she was trying to run our ball handler off her line 24 feet from the basket. It is what it is, but it is ridiculous that the away team is allowed to bang, and the home team is called for fouls for trying to match the same aggression. I will guarantee you this. WE will NOT be allowed to be anywhere close to as physical with Stanford when we play them down there. If we pressure and reach like they were in this game down there I guarantee the refs will wear out their whistles on us. |
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Post by bhowren on Jan 19, 2020 16:19:53 GMT -8
Just an opinion from a basketball non-expert, but it seems like when we play teams like Stanford and ASU we play at their tempo/style instead of our own?!?! I really believe we are better than both if the ladies play their own game!
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Post by ricke71 on Jan 19, 2020 16:21:44 GMT -8
The other thing I see is hesitant players passing up open looks. That is on the Coach. Stanford was better at that. Those were 12 foot open shots we pass up for often a held ball. Hate to say it but we will be lucky to split next week.As much as I hate u of o they runaway much more uptempo style and ours peters out a lot. This is why I don't have as much problem w/ Brown's shooting as others do. At least she's aggressive, too many passive players on the floor for the Beavs. I don't really have a "problem" with it either - because I actually believe that before it's all over (3 years from now)...she'll be deadly from long range. I do wish that (for now) she'd look more to a bit more of an inside game, or at least a shorter range offensive game...or better yet, inside passes. As it is, opposing teams are sagging, just HOPING that she'll shot a "3" or long "2". And their strategy has paid huge dividends. Not only is she missing...but she's typically out of the offensive rebound picture from that far away. Her defense is grand. But they sure miss Taya. Better shooter...better passer. 'Course it ain't fair to compare a Fr to a Jr....although by next season they'll only be one year apart. |
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Post by touchdown on Jan 19, 2020 16:37:38 GMT -8
Just an opinion from a basketball non-expert, but it seems like when we play teams like Stanford and ASU we play at their tempo/style instead of our own?!?! I really believe we are better than both if the ladies play their own game! Sometimes the other team's D forces the issue and it is tough to break free of it and get the tempo right. |
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Post by sagebrush on Jan 19, 2020 16:52:08 GMT -8
The Pac-12 TV coverage sucked. There were absolutely no split screen or full screen interviews while the game was going on and the announcers were way to0 into the game.
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Post by beaveragain on Jan 19, 2020 17:35:00 GMT -8
Every year Mik goes through a slump about 2/3 of the way into the season. Each year it's gotten shorter so lets hope this years version is now ended.
"That "foul" on Pivec was a complete flop by Prechtel who fouled Pivec first with an elbow across her face, and then threw herself to the ground AFTER Pivec was by her. Should have been a technical for flopping." As I saw it during the game Prechtel stumbled, grabbed Mik from behind to keep from going down and Mik, who only knew she had been grabbed from behind, shoved off from Prechtel. I think they both fouled in the strictest sense, but I don't think what either did effected the game play and the ref's should have just left their whistles in their pockets. But someone who can replay the game might be able to say otherwise.
Kiana found a weak spot in the Beav's defense in close and got three open shots she nailed. Then the Beav's closed that off.
Beav's were really missing Katie at the end. Why did Kat take the last shot? Both Mik and Destiny had done OK from the 3 and Kat hadn't hit a thing this game.
Out of the 4 senior/junior guards if just one more besides Destiny had even an decent game the Beav's win this game. Let's hope we get at least one other "on" against the Ducks next week.
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Post by Judge Smails on Jan 19, 2020 17:43:01 GMT -8
The foul on Pivec at the end definitely involved some flopping by the defender but it’s going to be a pretty quick whistle when your arms come up like that and the defender goes down. I think they got it right by not calling it a tech on Pivec though. The other play you referenced the defender came in and got pretty good position before Pivec got there. It looked bad live but in the replay the defender got there. Pivec just ran into a bigger player. That was just one of many non-calls that the home team usually gets in this league. Their PG should have fouled out of the game in the first half for all the slapping and banging she was dishing out. She wasn't called for her first foul until the half was nearly over, and she had already banged Destiny 2 or 3 times at the top of key on the same possession. The ref basically had to call the foul because it was getting stupid how much she was trying to run our ball handler off her line 24 feet from the basket. It is what it is, but it is ridiculous that the away team is allowed to bang, and the home team is called for fouls for trying to match the same aggression. I will bguarantee you this. WE will NOT be allowed to be anywhere close to as physical with Stanford when we play them down there. If we pressure and reach like they were in this game down there I guarantee the refs will wear out their whistles on us. Advocating for homer calls from the refs at Gill is priceless. Because the game is about different officiating depending on where the game is played is in the true spirit of basketball. We lost. Deal with it. |
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