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Post by beaver94 on Jan 17, 2020 14:42:56 GMT -8
God dude, you just don't quit. Of course it's a fluid statement. My point is that the teams we've lost to have had relatively good seasons to this point. (And by relative, I mean to all 300+ teams. Not to us, not to their own expectations, not to whatever you want to say I really mean by this statement. All of our losses have come to teams currently in the top 25% of the NET rankings. That's what I'm saying.) But hey, continue to tell me why I'm an idiot. LOL... having a bad day? No one called you wrong, and certainly not an idiot. But, since were going t=down the rabbit hole with your obvious oversensitivity of someone else sharing an opinion about what you post, ok! Implying free throws were any part of the contest after being routed is a bit ridiculous. Especially, since the 8 point outcome could be argued as as much of UW letting up. Hence, making FTs would mean a what 10-11 point loss vs a 17-20? So, since you are so touchy I might as well just call you out on the last two posts being idiotically over sensitive. Trying to justify WT's teams being consistently inconsistent by pointing out the NET record is again inconsequential to how the team plays regardless of a NET ranking. So, the converse to your NET issue is that the teams we've beaten are having bad seasons. Last time I looked the 10 NC wins had opponents at about a 29% winning clip. And, yep also has zero to do with the Arizona to UW performance levels. I'll have a great weekend. Except you literally stated that his post contained a false assertion. The missed free throws were part of being routed so I don't see how you claim they weren't. Little things can change the momentum of a game quickly.
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Post by tnarg33 on Jan 17, 2020 15:08:34 GMT -8
I would argue that as much as baseba1111 likes to point out how inconsistent Tinkle's teams are he should feel a kinship with them. They can come out and play some great games and then just have a meltdown that reminds us of what they really are. And he can sometimes go whole days with posts that are insightful and worthwhile to the board, but invariably he will revert back to his old schtick that we've all grown so tired of.
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Post by baseba1111 on Jan 17, 2020 15:14:38 GMT -8
LOL... having a bad day? No one called you wrong, and certainly not an idiot. But, since were going t=down the rabbit hole with your obvious oversensitivity of someone else sharing an opinion about what you post, ok! Implying free throws were any part of the contest after being routed is a bit ridiculous. Especially, since the 8 point outcome could be argued as as much of UW letting up. Hence, making FTs would mean a what 10-11 point loss vs a 17-20? So, since you are so touchy I might as well just call you out on the last two posts being idiotically over sensitive. Trying to justify WT's teams being consistently inconsistent by pointing out the NET record is again inconsequential to how the team plays regardless of a NET ranking. So, the converse to your NET issue is that the teams we've beaten are having bad seasons. Last time I looked the 10 NC wins had opponents at about a 29% winning clip. And, yep also has zero to do with the Arizona to UW performance levels. I'll have a great weekend. Except you literally stated that his post contained a false assertion. The missed free throws were part of being routed so I don't see how you claim they weren't. Little things can change the momentum of a game quickly. The falsehood is stated that misses throughout a game mattered, but missed shots of another team wouldn't. The game played out, 20/20 hindsight may seem to make sense, but there is no way to know what would have happened. If the game was closer UW doesn't take the foot off the gas... so... Just as calling UW shots at the end of the clock as lucky or not probable. They happened. Period. OSU played like crap and any assertion that a few more free throws would change anything during is this speculating it would also effect the outcome. Stating being down by less matters... well duh! But, at 61-43 it was all a moot point. You might as well start claiming "if they could a made more FGs". OSU played and shot better the 2nd half and the lead was extended. They were simply out played by better talent, and out coached by a superior staff. So, having a false assertion that it would have mattered isn't wrong... it's unknown and completely 20/20 hindsight in looking back afterward after knowing the outcome. One aspect of a game doesn't play out independent of the others. If you want to play the speculation game we can go down a whole list of stats and plays. I do know for a fact if the FT discrepancy thru 3.5 qtrs had been the other way posters hear would have been blaming the officials. So of course those who want to see excuses do so. And, if I would have meant he was wrong... I'd have stated it flat out
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Post by baseba1111 on Jan 17, 2020 15:20:33 GMT -8
I would argue that as much as baseba1111 likes to point out how inconsistent Tinkle's teams are he should feel a kinship with them. They can come out and play some great games and then just have a meltdown that reminds us of what they really are. And he can sometimes go whole days with posts that are insightful and worthwhile to the board, but invariably he will revert back to his old schtick that we've all grown so tired of. Yeah because pointing out false assertions, literal excuse making ignoring the true issue, is some schtick. If so, guilty. But, a lot of posters and loyal fans are growing far more tired of the consistent excuses for inconsistent play. Add recruiting and that is the "schtick" that is truly tiresome.
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Post by jbjam on Jan 17, 2020 15:43:19 GMT -8
I didn't watch the game, I just can't anymore. Call me fair-weather.
I don't see this changing. The win vs Az didn't shock me, either did the losses. Tinkle will be here for years to come, bad contract. Good for him, cash that paycheck, steal money from the school.
If he wins, great happy to be wrong. Would I bet a lot of money against him? 100%.
There are a LOT of other great sports to watch and care about at OSU.
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Post by Judge Smails on Jan 17, 2020 15:45:55 GMT -8
I didn't watch the game, I just can't anymore. Call me fair-weather. I don't see this changing. The win vs Az didn't shock me, either did the losses. Tinkle will be here for years to come, bad contract. Good for him, cash that paycheck, steal money from the school. If he wins, great happy to be wrong. Would I bet a lot of money against him? 100%. There are a LOT of other great sports to watch and care about at OSU. Going out on a limb, but I'm assuming he has direct deposit.
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Post by spudbeaver on Jan 17, 2020 16:58:45 GMT -8
At least this Poster vs All Comers battle is competitive, unlike the Beaver squad last night!
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Post by irimi on Jan 17, 2020 18:52:49 GMT -8
First off, if we're going to differentiate between a false post and a statement in the post being false, I'm going to have to object to you saying that I said it had anything to do with the OUTCOME of the game. I said it affected the game...as in, we missed opportunities to chip away at the lead. We missed opportunities to maybe set up a trap or press that could've resulted in turnovers. Psychologically, being down 13 is way more deflating than being down 8. No, missing free throws didn't lose us that game, and if we're 22-22, we probably still don't win. But did it affect the way we played? I argue yes. I'll now wait for you to find a typo or grammatical error and tell me why I'm an idiot for thinking this. Hope your weekend goes well buddy. Seattle is a tough place to play. Oregon State has not won in Seattle since 2003. Some comparative metrics: The Beavers finished with their third least-efficient offensive performance on the year (ahead of only Texas A&M and Utah) and paired its second least-efficient defensive performance (ahead of only Utah). The offensive numbers match Oregon State's effective field goal percentage (pts/shot). Oregon State came down with 56.4% of all rebounds. That is the second-most in conference play since the game before, Arizona. The pair represent the two best conference rebounding performances since the second Arizona State game last year. The Beavers posted their worst block percentage (percentage of shots blocked) since playing Washington State last year. The Beavers' offensive rebound percentage was their highest since playing Cal State Northridge in the season opener. The game was the best offensive rebounding game in conference since Oregon State played in Seattle last year, as the Huskies apparently do not block out. The Beavers' defensive rebound percentage was their highest since Arkansas-Pine Bluff. Oregon State had its highest percentage of defensive rebounds since beating California last year. The Beavers allowed the highest defensive effective field goal percentage on the year. No team has shot as efficiently, since Oregon State last played in Seattle. Interesting stats. I heard Mike Parker talking about the rebounds at halftime, but damned if that helped us in the end. How about turnovers? Sure seemed like we were throwing the ball away most of the night.
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Post by beaverbeliever71 on Jan 17, 2020 21:18:26 GMT -8
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Post by osubeaver2018 on Jan 18, 2020 12:06:32 GMT -8
Seattle is a tough place to play. Oregon State has not won in Seattle since 2003. Some comparative metrics: The Beavers finished with their third least-efficient offensive performance on the year (ahead of only Texas A&M and Utah) and paired its second least-efficient defensive performance (ahead of only Utah). The offensive numbers match Oregon State's effective field goal percentage (pts/shot). Oregon State came down with 56.4% of all rebounds. That is the second-most in conference play since the game before, Arizona. The pair represent the two best conference rebounding performances since the second Arizona State game last year. The Beavers posted their worst block percentage (percentage of shots blocked) since playing Washington State last year. The Beavers' offensive rebound percentage was their highest since playing Cal State Northridge in the season opener. The game was the best offensive rebounding game in conference since Oregon State played in Seattle last year, as the Huskies apparently do not block out. The Beavers' defensive rebound percentage was their highest since Arkansas-Pine Bluff. Oregon State had its highest percentage of defensive rebounds since beating California last year. The Beavers allowed the highest defensive effective field goal percentage on the year. No team has shot as efficiently, since Oregon State last played in Seattle. Interesting stats. I heard Mike Parker talking about the rebounds at halftime, but damned if that helped us in the end. How about turnovers? Sure seemed like we were throwing the ball away most of the night. The game was played at UW's pace the whole night. Pretty much every possession took up the entire shot clock on both ends of the floor. So probably seemed like we turned it over more than usual because we turned it over at a higher rate and just had fewer possessions. That'd be a wilky question for real data on it though that's just my estimation.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jan 18, 2020 22:54:30 GMT -8
Interesting stats. I heard Mike Parker talking about the rebounds at halftime, but damned if that helped us in the end. How about turnovers? Sure seemed like we were throwing the ball away most of the night. The game was played at UW's pace the whole night. Pretty much every possession took up the entire shot clock on both ends of the floor. So probably seemed like we turned it over more than usual because we turned it over at a higher rate and just had fewer possessions. That'd be a wilky question for real data on it though that's just my estimation. 10.2% of possessions ended with a turnover. That is tied with the Oklahoma game for third fewest turnovers/possession. The North Dakota game was the fewest turnovers/possession. The Utah game was second. Just eyeing the metrics, but turnovers seem like they have a lot lower relationship to Oregon State's success than effective shooting percentage. If the three-pointers are not falling, Oregon State's offense tends to bog down.
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