beav74
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Post by beav74 on Jan 12, 2020 23:46:53 GMT -8
I'm just curious as to the role our bench plays? I totally get it why Taya is not playing...but we have Jasmine, Janessa, Noelle, Patricia as "practice players" with AA and Jelena on "injured reserve?" Seven Players are going to get us through the months of January and February and the Pac-12 Tournament?
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Post by shelby on Jan 13, 2020 7:54:14 GMT -8
That is exactly why I prefer Scholly’s to be maxed out. I get the problems with floor time, etc., but injuries are always
staring you in the face, and this year it is especially bad.
At any rate - I just think the target on your back and the way the other teams can whip up a disruptive defense can stop anyone’s execution .
Scott and staff know what they are doing and did a better job in the 4th quarter - but, could not overcome the difference.
So proud of how hard they fought !
Hi Beavers!
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Post by wbosh15 on Jan 13, 2020 8:28:28 GMT -8
That is exactly why I prefer Scholly’s to be maxed out. I get the problems with floor time, etc., but injuries are always staring you in the face, and this year it is especially bad. At any rate - I just think the target on your back and the way the other teams can whip up a disruptive defense can stop anyone’s execution . Scott and staff know what they are doing and did a better job in the 4th quarter - but, could not overcome the difference. So proud of how hard they fought ! Hi Beavers! It has nothing to do with number of players. We have plenty of player on the bench. It's simply the number of players Scott trusts. I think even without Taya's injury, you would still see only 7 players. It would just be that Maddie's minutes would all go to Taya. IMO. |
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beav74
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Post by beav74 on Jan 13, 2020 8:54:43 GMT -8
Patricia is not injured, Noelle is not injured, Janessa is not injured, Jasmine is not injured. Why did we recruit them? As bench warmers?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2020 9:43:03 GMT -8
Patricia is not injured, Noelle is not injured, Janessa is not injured, Jasmine is not injured. Why did we recruit them? As bench warmers? Poor recruiting choices by the OSU WBB staff. When you look at the other teams in the Pac-12, most of the players on most of the teams have enough skills to be able to contribute in some way, either as good defensive players or good ball handlers, because they are defined by excellent athleticism. Patricia, Jasmine, and Janessa are not gifted with the same level of athletic ability. It's a mental thing. Even Kennedy Brown seems to lack that level of athleticism: She is a fraction of a second slow in deciding to drive or shoot because she has to think about it. Good basketball skills require an ability to make the quick and almost instinctive analysis of offensive and defensive openings that is needed to begin the physical response. If your brain isn't wired right, there's a discernible delay in reaction time. I've often wondered why we don't recruit more "role players" with decent but not necessarily great skill like other teams seem to have in abundance. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Jan 13, 2020 9:43:43 GMT -8
Patricia is not injured, Noelle is not injured, Janessa is not injured, Jasmine is not injured. Why did we recruit them? As bench warmers? Noelle is a walk-on, Patricia was a project when she was recruited and the other two are not good enough right now. Do you think that every recruited player is ready to contribute right away? |
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Post by shelby on Jan 13, 2020 9:47:43 GMT -8
I like everyone on the team - they all play a role. I just don’t see the interchangeability in terms of skills that allows what ASU did last night. They were doing 5 player substitutions with no drop off in skill or experience visible .
Our top 5 could not hit a shot to save their lives ( not critical - just a fact ), and the only one that showed anything when she came in was Maddie.
Would have loved to have seen at least the ability to do a 5 players swap to see if that would have changed things up.
Just not possible with our current injuries( Andrea, Jelena, Taya, Kat still not 100%).
I still think we are fine for this year - just some different adjustments on offense .
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Post by grad1973 on Jan 13, 2020 10:40:39 GMT -8
Our starting lineup is storied with top players and all Americans such as destiny and pelvic and Tudor and even the 6th player award winner.
This loss was mental nothing more nothing less. The leaders didn’t show up or we were poorly prepared, coaches didn’t set them up to win.
One thing we should probably do is use the triangle offense more which makes the posts reverse their hi low position by rotation. Means Jones must learn to shoot a 15 footer and teaches Brown to learn the inside game.
Brown with her height to have more scoring responsibility..
That will open Jones game up even more.[it might help the team if Jones and Brown player interchangeably.
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beav74
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Post by beav74 on Jan 13, 2020 13:49:45 GMT -8
Patricia is not injured, Noelle is not injured, Janessa is not injured, Jasmine is not injured. Why did we recruit them? As bench warmers? Noelle is a walk-on, Patricia was a project when she was recruited and the other two are not good enough right now. Do you think that every recruited player is ready to contribute right away? No...it just seems like we have more "projects"/injuries than usual! |
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Post by beaverwbb fan on Jan 13, 2020 14:33:55 GMT -8
A few things:
- A lot of schools bring on some type of a tall project at some point or another. Oregon has 6'6" Lydia Giomi, UCLA had 6'6" Shayley Harris (who transferred to Santa Clara). Trish is exactly that. At this point, my hope for her is more or less that come her junior/senior seasons, she is able to provide a couple of minutes here and there off the bench, though it seems that even that expectation may be out of reach. Trish needs time and game experience to develop, and being in the Pac-12 (where nearly every game is tough) coupled with the fact that she is probably the fourth option at her primary position (behind Taylor, Kennedy, and Maddie), she simply has not been able to get the minutes needed to show improvement.
- I think we went far too long without adding an impact guard/wing. So far, we have a total of zero impactful guard/wings in the 2018-19 classes. That cannot happen. If we had added one more guard that was consistently able to give us good minutes (think Jazmine Shelley at UO, who I really wanted), we'd be a much better team. The difference between having five legit guards (in early 18-19) and four (late 18-19/19-20) seems to make a very big difference.
- Not every player is as advertised. Simmons looked like a terrific pickup when she committed. She was known for something the Beavs didn't have (her ability to excel in transition), but instead of adding that to OSU, it may be keeping her on the bench. She was very, very good on the international stage, but that success hasn't exactly translated.
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Post by orange123 on Jan 13, 2020 14:44:39 GMT -8
This sophomore class has been a bust. Can’t imagine what the backcourt is going to look like next year if Destiny decides to go early. Are the guard recruits capable of stepping right in?
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Post by jegerklog on Jan 13, 2020 16:32:44 GMT -8
I do not want to criticize coaching because I know there is a lot going on out there that we do not know about. However, when you go with a "top 7" or whatever, the rest of the bench does not gain experience and the gap widens. Evidently there are other more important issues. Just to carelessly throw out a possibility, a hard-to-detect weak person on defense can be more of an issue than an obviously weak person on offense.
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Post by ricke71 on Jan 13, 2020 16:37:25 GMT -8
This sophomore class has been a bust. Can’t imagine what the backcourt is going to look like next year if Destiny decides to go early. Are the guard recruits capable of stepping right in? My 'imagination' says (if Destiny leaves) that it will be Aleah / Jasmine. I can't project ahead a full year on how that would work out... so it remains to be seen. Of course, incoming freshman / juco transfer / grad transfer could shake that up a bit. As a WAY outside the box thought, backcourt could be Aleah - Taya (off guard). |
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Post by osu82 on Jan 13, 2020 17:47:20 GMT -8
If she returns, Destiny and Simmons, or perhaps with Goforth playing the 2/3 spot. Could be Aleah at the point again with Simmons/Goforth at the 2. The cupboard isn't bare necessarily.
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Post by lotrader on Jan 13, 2020 19:54:52 GMT -8
I would like to see Jas get more minutes. Jas is physically a stud, but not mentally a stud on the court, but time is needed for her to get to a better mental basketball state. Jas has shown this year she can hit a 3-point shot, she can drive to the basket & score, and, her defense has improved a great deal. We need to give Pivec and Aleah a rest during these intense weekends (think UO weekend coming up). We can't have Pivec playing all 40 minutes--Mik is a stud, but we don't want her to wear out before we get to PAC-12 Tournament/NCAA Playoffs, or, worse, suffer an injury.
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