osu82
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Post by osu82 on Jan 12, 2020 15:49:32 GMT -8
4 straight losses to ASU. When do they get to skip the trip to Tempe? Hopefully soon. There are better teams in the Pac 12, but I think this is the match up I really don't look forward to more than any other. Yes..typical ASU-OSU game, seems they've always been like this even back when OSU was coming out on top every time. I have to give CTT credit...I think she schemes for Rueck and defending the 4 out 1 in OSU offense as well or better than anyone else in the conference. They had OSU discombobulated the entire first half. Ugly as this game was, Beavs had tied it up with 2 1/2 minutes left, but poor free throw shooting and bad turnovers doomed them. Plus not getting any stops. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Jan 12, 2020 16:00:12 GMT -8
Our offensive play has been qinconsistant for a long time. We stand around,poor spacing. Maybe we need to uptempo and become a pressure typed team like Miller’s and Wooden team . Hard to watch such poor offense with teams like ASU.. Do not understand why it needs to be this way. Cannot win when You are unable to get easy baskets. Point play has been poor as well. I like Scott,but he needs to look at things. We have poor offense against them because they play extremely physical defense which is our kryptonite. We are a finesse team and will continue to struggle against teams that play like ASU |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2020 16:17:42 GMT -8
Out played and out coached! it was a tough game to watch, but I always felt we were going to come back right up to the last minute. Off night shooting (for reasons stated on this board) but to me SR was out coached by a crafty fox, he didn't adjust or was slow to change, she kept high rotations and pressure, SR looked like he was trying not to lose and CTT looked like she had nothing to lose.
It happens, dust off, learn from it and get ready for the next big one as it ain't getting any easier here on in!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2020 16:20:16 GMT -8
Both the offense and defense sucked. Especially the offense.
Probably drop down to #6 or so with that loss.
We kept them to 55, I thought our D was 'OK', not great but you would expect us to win keeping a team to 55. Our O on other hand  |
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Post by osu82 on Jan 12, 2020 16:21:03 GMT -8
Curious about Tudor's game. She's really struggling. Her shot--always a rainbow --now seems even more exaggerated than before. Is that my imagination? Plus she's always had a quick release, but now she seems to shoot instantly on catching the ball. And I mean instantly. Often not set and squared up to the basket before she shoots, at least my observation. We need some offensive "pop" off the bench, which we don't have now. Hopefully she'll get it working, but obviously, though she's on the court, not the same player as she was pre ACL.
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Post by ricke71 on Jan 12, 2020 16:22:44 GMT -8
Can't live by the 3. We seem to have a very uneven fan base with that aspect. Think OSU is all that, yet surprised when it disappears. It just could be the predicted 5th and 6th place Pac12 teams are better than anyone OSU faced on the road... or at home. I never saw where they were getting OSU's NC SOS?! Plus... as many stated early on, this OSU team has holes with youth in key spots and highly dependent on the perimeter game. Not a great combo. But, as the undefeated streak continued those factors seem to be forgotten or ignored. The Pac12 is far better than OSU's NC schedule. Our frosh basically didn't play this level of competition with this intensity. However this trip ends it'll be a huge learning experience and helpful for later on. I predicted a double digit win, but never saw OSU playing this poorly... even agaisnt a good D. That has been my one thing that bugs me about Ruecks teams. They rely way too much on the three ball. When they aren't going down things go awry or they hang on by the skin of their teeth. That and the they are careless with the ball at times during games. I don't expect them to win every game. That is too hard and it was just a matter of time before they lost. Although, you don't give yourself a chance to win close games by throwing up threes when they aren't going down. With the bigs down low, you would think they would be more efficient with shot selection. I have different perspective on the "3". It's an important, and very legitimate part, of their offense. However it relies on quick ball movement to set up an open / squared-up shooter. Something in the ASU 'D' turned the Beavs into a dribble-against-your-defender...THEN...pick up the ball and THEN look longingly for someone to pass to. That is a terrible way to set up an open 3 point shot. What I've liked about the Beavs offense in recent years is that the players typically had their next pass in mind, before even receiving a pass. Totally absent today. Despite that, if the Beavs had shot a very poor 5-20 from the 3 point line today (instead of a once-in-a-Rueck-era 2 for 20), they would have (on paper) outscored ASU. |
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Post by sparty on Jan 12, 2020 16:27:25 GMT -8
Out played and out coached! it was a tough game to watch, but I always felt we were going to come back right up to the last minute. Off night shooting (for reasons stated on this board) but to me SR was out coached by a crafty fox, he didn't adjust or was slow to change, she kept high rotations and pressure, SR looked like he was trying not to lose and CTT looked like she had nothing to lose. It happens, dust off, learn from it and get ready for the next big one as it ain't getting any easier here on in! So is CTT an elite coach. Not! Graves said he was out coached by CTT in their loss and have not heard any feedback from Scott yet but he might say the same thing?
The platoon system they run is quite effective and she coaches a rough and tumble defense. That is get away with anything you can, they won't call them all. |
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Post by ricke71 on Jan 12, 2020 16:28:39 GMT -8
Curious about Tudor's game. She's really struggling. Her shot--always a rainbow --now seems even more exaggerated than before. Is that my imagination? Plus she's always had a quick release, but now she seems to shoot instantly on catching the ball. And I mean instantly. Often not set and squared up to the basket before she shoots, at least my observation. We need some offensive "pop" off the bench, which we don't have now. Hopefully she'll get it working, but obviously, though she's on the court, not the same player as she was pre ACL. I agree. She's returned from ACL as a somewhat different player. That's certainly no surprise, given that these young women have honed their game since age 8 or 9....and then something major happens to their body. My un-official eyeball measurement tells me that her rainbow has increased in height. Not a game goes by that the announcers don't make a major point about the arc. The big arc has always been there...but I don't recall announcers noting it with such regularity. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2020 16:34:04 GMT -8
Out played and out coached! it was a tough game to watch, but I always felt we were going to come back right up to the last minute. Off night shooting (for reasons stated on this board) but to me SR was out coached by a crafty fox, he didn't adjust or was slow to change, she kept high rotations and pressure, SR looked like he was trying not to lose and CTT looked like she had nothing to lose. It happens, dust off, learn from it and get ready for the next big one as it ain't getting any easier here on in! So is CTT an elite coach. Not! Graves said he was out coached by CTT in their loss and have not heard any feedback from Scott yet but he might say the same thing?
The platoon system they run is quite effective and she coaches a rough and tumble defense. That is get away with anything you can, they won't call them all. This game on it's merit we were outcoached! Couldn't care less about Graves! I don't need Scott's report/approval to my opinion (even if i'm wrong  ) And for crying out loud can we get off the blame the refs for everything we do bad! We were s%#tE the refs had nothing to do with that, smart teams play to the refs! |
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Post by nwhoopfan on Jan 12, 2020 17:19:23 GMT -8
Cal should be just what the Dr. ordered. Other than a close game against the offensively challenged Huskies, they've just been awful since conference play started.
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Post by 2ndGenBeaver on Jan 12, 2020 17:43:26 GMT -8
Curious about Tudor's game. She's really struggling. Her shot--always a rainbow --now seems even more exaggerated than before. Is that my imagination? Plus she's always had a quick release, but now she seems to shoot instantly on catching the ball. And I mean instantly. Often not set and squared up to the basket before she shoots, at least my observation. We need some offensive "pop" off the bench, which we don't have now. Hopefully she'll get it working, but obviously, though she's on the court, not the same player as she was pre ACL. I agree. She's returned from ACL as a somewhat different player. That's certainly no surprise, given that these young women have honed their game since age 8 or 9....and then something major happens to their body. My un-official eyeball measurement tells me that her rainbow has increased in height. Not a game goes by that the announcers don't make a major point about the arc. The big arc has always been there...but I don't recall announcers noting it with such regularity. I too think Kat needs to get/insert a split second to square up and gather herself (especially after the injury). I too think the arc has even more height to it. Prettier yet when it lands, but landing with a bit less frequency right now. Kat is also defending in trail a lot, though she isn't the only Beaver doing that right now - perhaps easier to stay in front of folks not at the Pac-12 level, and I am just noticing it as league play commences (but this is what got SR's goat in the Depaul game as well). Go Beavers! |
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Post by lotrader on Jan 12, 2020 17:52:56 GMT -8
Kat's shot definitely looks different, much higher arc. We had open looks from 3-point land, and missed. Between Kat and Aleah, 0-12. That put too much on Pivec's and Destiny's shoulders. I think Pivec played all 40 minutes in both games. Mik had to be tired. Rueck has to give Jas Simmons some minutes, and, give Pivec & Aleah some rest. With ASU's platoon system, we needed more fresh bodies. ASU got to more 50-50 balls than we did, and, dang, got some incredible offensive rebounds that created 2nd chances that they converted. My bottom line, is we have to give Pivec some rest, and, get more minutes for Jas Simmons. Jas needs to play in these intense games so she is ready come PAC-12 Tournament time, and NCAA Playoffs.
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Post by 2ndGenBeaver on Jan 12, 2020 18:04:04 GMT -8
Kat's shot definitely looks different, much higher arc. We had open looks from 3-point land, and missed. Between Kat and Aleah, 0-12. That put too much on Pivec's and Destiny's shoulders. I think Pivec played all 40 minutes in both games. Mik had to be tired. Rueck has to give Jas Simmons some minutes, and, give Pivec & Aleah some rest. With ASU's platoon system, we needed more fresh bodies. ASU got to more 50-50 balls than we did, and, dang, got some incredible offensive rebounds that created 2nd chances that they converted. My bottom line, is we have to give Pivec some rest, and, get more minutes for Jas Simmons. Jas needs to play in these intense games so she is ready come PAC-12 Tournament time, and NCAA Playoffs. I actually think CTT might be onto something with her platooning system - I looked over the ASU roster before the game and saw 10 players essentially averaging 20 mpg. Fresh bodies, ability to go all out knowing you will get subbed out, develop good chemistry with some good sets without going through every permutation and combination of players...... And probably can keep more talented players happy knowing they will all get minutes. Plus, as lotrader points out, fresher bodies come tournament time. Our iron woman, 7 player shortened bench rotation has some obvious downsides, though you need 10 front-line players to make CTT system work. Go Beavers! |
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Post by sparty on Jan 12, 2020 18:15:39 GMT -8
So is CTT an elite coach. Not! Graves said he was out coached by CTT in their loss and have not heard any feedback from Scott yet but he might say the same thing?
The platoon system they run is quite effective and she coaches a rough and tumble defense. That is get away with anything you can, they won't call them all. This game on it's merit we were outcoached! Couldn't care less about Graves! I don't need Scott's report/approval to my opinion (even if i'm wrong ) And for crying out loud can we get off the blame the refs for everything we do bad! We were s%#tE the refs had nothing to do with that, smart teams play to the refs! You need a drink. Coach Rueck knows what he is doing even though you don't think so. Get off your high horse.
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Post by nwhoopfan on Jan 12, 2020 18:19:07 GMT -8
Kat's shot definitely looks different, much higher arc. We had open looks from 3-point land, and missed. Between Kat and Aleah, 0-12. That put too much on Pivec's and Destiny's shoulders. I think Pivec played all 40 minutes in both games. Mik had to be tired. Rueck has to give Jas Simmons some minutes, and, give Pivec & Aleah some rest. With ASU's platoon system, we needed more fresh bodies. ASU got to more 50-50 balls than we did, and, dang, got some incredible offensive rebounds that created 2nd chances that they converted. My bottom line, is we have to give Pivec some rest, and, get more minutes for Jas Simmons. Jas needs to play in these intense games so she is ready come PAC-12 Tournament time, and NCAA Playoffs. I actually think CTT might be onto something with her platooning system - I looked over the ASU roster before the game and saw 10 players essentially averaging 20 mpg. Fresh bodies, ability to go all out knowing you will get subbed out, develop good chemistry with some good sets without going through every permutation and combination of players...... And probably can keep more talented players happy knowing they will all get minutes. Plus, as lotrader points out, fresher bodies come tournament time. Our iron woman, 7 player shortened bench rotation has some obvious downsides, though you need 10 front-line players to make CTT system work. Go Beavers! OSU doesn't have 10 players available do they?
Washington is kind of trying to do this to. What you get is not really Pac 12 level players getting way too much playing time. It's also hard for a player to get into a rhythm on offense. I'm not a fan. CTT has had success with it, but I wouldn't recommend anybody try to copy it.
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) And for crying out loud can we get off the blame the refs for everything we do bad! We were s%#tE the refs had nothing to do with that, smart teams play to the refs!
