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Post by beaverinohio on Nov 21, 2019 8:15:09 GMT -8
Seriously (sort of), are there any pre-conference games on the schedule where we can unequivocally be happy with just a win? I mean, I'm pretty happy with any win but I don't follow teams enough to know if we have any where just a win will be considered good enough by pretty much everybody. A&M at College Station would be nice.................... Agreed. A win on the road against a Power 5 team is always nice. And it looks like it might be possible. They are 3-1, but they got trounced by Gonzaga at home. I watched the first half of that game, and AM didn't look very good. Granted it was against the Zags, but still. And they followed that loss up with a 4-point home win against Troy, whose only win thus far is against Carver College. The Aggies were missing 2 players -- their 3rd leading scorer (10.0 ppg) with a foot injury and a player that it looks like has been suspended all year thus far (averaged 12 ppg last year). No idea what the status of those players will be when Beavers come to town. It looks like the Beavers could match up well against them. They have one big and the rest are in the 6-0 to 6-7 range except for a 5-8 former walk-on who scored career high 12 against Troy to bail the team out. It will be interesting to see how large a crowd there is and how our young players react to it. They've only averaged about 5000 for the 3 games other than Gonzaga, but had 10,000+ for that game. Assuming it will be finals week, but winter break will not have officially started for students yet from what I found. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2019 8:40:16 GMT -8
posting link to Daschel's write up because it's a good one. The feeling i had watching that game is UCSB was overmatched. But apparently they are picked to finish 2 in their conference. It is still tough to get a read on this Beaver team but here's what keeps bobbing to the surface: Tres is improved this year in a couple of areas. Think about that. Considering he was already the most prolific scorer/rebounder in the conference it is not a stretch to say beavs have a modern day Gary Payton who won't be on the cover of SI and not just because SI is mostly gone. Gary Payton won games just by the sheer force of his athletic play making talent. He changed the tenor of games with his defense but when needed, could score 58 to beat SC when his teammates were curled up in a ball. Tres will do it a different way, by wearing down opponents with a game so well-rounded he can't be squeezed. UCSB tried double teams, tried taking away his drive, tried size, tried denying him the ball. It was laughably futile. Tres adjusted and found the path of least resistance every time. He does things like waiting out the double team and then passing the ball when the help defender is in the process of switching. Or he isolates the defender who stops moving his feet because he thinks he has help and then goes right by him. And then when you over-respect his drive, he has smoothed out his 3 ball to over 40%. And even when you force the ball out of his hands he just loves going undercover as a garbage man and digging out rebounds for put-backs. He can shoot from various angles and he is tireless. He is a 5th year grown man senior who is not visibly explosive or posterizing with high rise dunks. And this lack of flash makes him a silent killer. Conference opponents have all been burned by Tres but managed to make his output a silo. Will this season be different? Can beavs get some reliable scoring from Ethan or someone else? Gary Payton was a 1 man wrecking crew his senior season and willed the Beavs to the Pac 10 conference championship. The game is different now but i think Tres is dominating enough to drive this team into the tourney.
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Post by beaverinohio on Nov 21, 2019 8:41:20 GMT -8
Talked to Franklin pre game, he is red shirting this year. Thanks for the info. Is he healthy? I'm not typically a fan of red shirting when healthy, but if he's OK with it then probably not a bad thing. With Tres and Hollins, not like he was going to be seeing much in the way of minutes this year. And it will help with class balance. I just realized the other day that the Beavers will be losing 5 or 6 scholarship players iafter next season. In Franklin's class there are 3 other freshmen, so basically moving him into the expected (if no transfers) 2-man class will be helpful. |
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Post by beaverbeliever71 on Nov 21, 2019 8:49:35 GMT -8
Not perfect but overall I’m happy with game. Posted earlier in thread I thought it would be about a 10-point win, and that was fine as long as bench players got some good minutes. And WT used the bench a fair amount in first half, though not as much in second half as he made sure of the win. But that’s how I’d prefer it — get the bench meaningful minutes rather than just mop up minutes. WT refered to that after the game...“What I wanted was our veteran group to do was put a little more discipline on display in the second half so the young guys could see and learn from it,” Tinkle said. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Nov 21, 2019 9:27:39 GMT -8
posting link to Daschel's write up because it's a good one. The feeling i had watching that game is UCSB was overmatched. But apparently they are picked to finish 2 in their conference. It is still tough to get a read on this Beaver team but here's what keeps bobbing to the surface: Tres is improved this year in a couple of areas. Think about that. Considering he was already the most prolific scorer/rebounder in the conference it is not a stretch to say beavs have a modern day Gary Payton who won't be on the cover of SI and not just because SI is mostly gone. Gary Payton won games just by the sheer force of his athletic play making talent. He changed the tenor of games with his defense but when needed, could score 58 to beat SC when his teammates were curled up in a ball. Tres will do it a different way, by wearing down opponents with a game so well-rounded he can't be squeezed. UCSB tried double teams, tried taking away his drive, tried size, tried denying him the ball. It was laughably futile. Tres adjusted and found the path of least resistance every time. He does things like waiting out the double team and then passing the ball when the help defender is in the process of switching. Or he isolates the defender who stops moving his feet because he thinks he has help and then goes right by him. And then when you over-respect his drive, he has smoothed out his 3 ball to over 40%. And even when you force the ball out of his hands he just loves going undercover as a garbage man and digging out rebounds for put-backs. He can shoot from various angles and he is tireless. He is a 5th year grown man senior who is not visibly explosive or posterizing with high rise dunks. And this lack of flash makes him a silent killer. Conference opponents have all been burned by Tres but managed to make his output a silo. Will this season be different? Can beavs get some reliable scoring from Ethan or someone else? Gary Payton was a 1 man wrecking crew his senior season and willed the Beavs to the Pac 10 conference championship. The game is different now but i think Tres is dominating enough to drive this team into the tourney.
Daschel O-LiveI'll not go into detail... but GP >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>TT And that's not enough. SI or no SI, TT will not ever be in the conversation for DEFENSIVE POY... NATIONAL POY... one of the best in the history of the league. He's carried this version of OSU, but he's no GP... not even GPII as an overal player and leader. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Nov 21, 2019 9:34:35 GMT -8
posting link to Daschel's write up because it's a good one. The feeling i had watching that game is UCSB was overmatched. But apparently they are picked to finish 2 in their conference. It is still tough to get a read on this Beaver team but here's what keeps bobbing to the surface: Tres is improved this year in a couple of areas. Think about that. Considering he was already the most prolific scorer/rebounder in the conference it is not a stretch to say beavs have a modern day Gary Payton who won't be on the cover of SI and not just because SI is mostly gone. Gary Payton won games just by the sheer force of his athletic play making talent. He changed the tenor of games with his defense but when needed, could score 58 to beat SC when his teammates were curled up in a ball. Tres will do it a different way, by wearing down opponents with a game so well-rounded he can't be squeezed. UCSB tried double teams, tried taking away his drive, tried size, tried denying him the ball. It was laughably futile. Tres adjusted and found the path of least resistance every time. He does things like waiting out the double team and then passing the ball when the help defender is in the process of switching. Or he isolates the defender who stops moving his feet because he thinks he has help and then goes right by him. And then when you over-respect his drive, he has smoothed out his 3 ball to over 40%. And even when you force the ball out of his hands he just loves going undercover as a garbage man and digging out rebounds for put-backs. He can shoot from various angles and he is tireless. He is a 5th year grown man senior who is not visibly explosive or posterizing with high rise dunks. And this lack of flash makes him a silent killer. Conference opponents have all been burned by Tres but managed to make his output a silo. Will this season be different? Can beavs get some reliable scoring from Ethan or someone else? Gary Payton was a 1 man wrecking crew his senior season and willed the Beavs to the Pac 10 conference championship. The game is different now but i think Tres is dominating enough to drive this team into the tourney.
Daschel O-LiveI'll not go into detail... but GP >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>TT And that's not enough. SI or no SI, TT will not ever be in the conversation for DEFENSIVE POY... NATIONAL POY... one of the best in the history of the league. He's carried this version of OSU, but he's no GP... not even GPII as an overal player and leader. I agree with you on GP, but Tres versus GPII is debatable. Tres is a much better offensive player while GPII is a much better defensive player. If GPII had a consistent outside shot, I would give him the edge, but Tres is a much better scorer. I know you're a Tres hater, but he is an all-time top ten OSU player. He doesn't get enough credit around here. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2019 9:35:24 GMT -8
posting link to Daschel's write up because it's a good one. The feeling i had watching that game is UCSB was overmatched. But apparently they are picked to finish 2 in their conference. It is still tough to get a read on this Beaver team but here's what keeps bobbing to the surface: Tres is improved this year in a couple of areas. Think about that. Considering he was already the most prolific scorer/rebounder in the conference it is not a stretch to say beavs have a modern day Gary Payton who won't be on the cover of SI and not just because SI is mostly gone. Gary Payton won games just by the sheer force of his athletic play making talent. He changed the tenor of games with his defense but when needed, could score 58 to beat SC when his teammates were curled up in a ball. Tres will do it a different way, by wearing down opponents with a game so well-rounded he can't be squeezed. UCSB tried double teams, tried taking away his drive, tried size, tried denying him the ball. It was laughably futile. Tres adjusted and found the path of least resistance every time. He does things like waiting out the double team and then passing the ball when the help defender is in the process of switching. Or he isolates the defender who stops moving his feet because he thinks he has help and then goes right by him. And then when you over-respect his drive, he has smoothed out his 3 ball to over 40%. And even when you force the ball out of his hands he just loves going undercover as a garbage man and digging out rebounds for put-backs. He can shoot from various angles and he is tireless. He is a 5th year grown man senior who is not visibly explosive or posterizing with high rise dunks. And this lack of flash makes him a silent killer. Conference opponents have all been burned by Tres but managed to make his output a silo. Will this season be different? Can beavs get some reliable scoring from Ethan or someone else? Gary Payton was a 1 man wrecking crew his senior season and willed the Beavs to the Pac 10 conference championship. The game is different now but i think Tres is dominating enough to drive this team into the tourney.
Daschel O-LiveI'll not go into detail... but GP >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>TT And that's not enough. SI or no SI, TT will not ever be in the conversation for DEFENSIVE POY... NATIONAL POY... one of the best in the history of the league. He's carried this version of OSU, but he's no GP... not even GPII as an overal player and leader. But you have a long history of pooh poohing Tres. Cop to that much and we can go forward. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Nov 21, 2019 10:10:56 GMT -8
I'll not go into detail... but GP >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>TT And that's not enough. SI or no SI, TT will not ever be in the conversation for DEFENSIVE POY... NATIONAL POY... one of the best in the history of the league. He's carried this version of OSU, but he's no GP... not even GPII as an overal player and leader. I agree with you on GP, but Tres versus GPII is debatable. Tres is a much better offensive player while GPII is a much better defensive player. If GPII had a consistent outside shot, I would give him the edge, but Tres is a much better scorer. I know you're a Tres hater, but he is an all-time top ten OSU player. He doesn't get enough credit around here. If I had to pick one or the other I personally go GPII. I'll take the guy who makes everyone else better and can play shut down, game changing defense. Not a hater... just argue points that say he's more than he is... better than GP, best player in the Pac12 (I get POY is a vote that isn't always the best player IMHO... as I would have voted TT over Nowell last season?!) , or sure NBA player (even 1st rd draft choice has been mentioned). He's a good college player no doubt. But he has physical liabilities that keep from being a tier above. Namely he's not highly athletic... hence, at times a huge defensive liability in most matchups vs elite wings, nor particular adept vs PF that has post up game. But, I'll admit I am bias against his on-court antics... whines almost as much as his Dad (ok, exaggeration as WT whines EVERY call that goes against OSU), and is constantly throwing his arms out in surprise followed by the obligatory look to WT. And, I'll also admit I've been influenced by two former players' parents who say the TT/WT dynamic has been the locker room "distraction" (locker room dynamics was mention in another thread). It went from TT doing nothing right and constantly being harped on, called out, example being made to never being called out, excuses/blame laid at others' feet for his defensive lapses. They seemed to swing back and forth in this bi-polar relationship with the elder Thompson often having to step in and offer advice or take over in coaching up TT. The weird thing... I think I'd love TT more as a player if he'd not played for his Dad?! Wayne seems like a heart attack waiting to happen and one of those guys who blows his stack and then repeatedly apologizes for it later. Again... much of my subjective opinion on TT is not his fault. But, objectively he doesn't have the overall athleticism to make him elite... point, streak, rebound numbers or not. PS- in the same light, does it bother anyone else that the pre-intro video is 95% TT, ET, KK with very few minor higlights of anyone else? Doesn't seem very "family/team" friendly. I thought early on it was that there were no clips of some... but AH, ZR, AV should have plenty. Then after a few games there would be some of everyone. Will it change up later? |
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Post by Judge Smails on Nov 21, 2019 10:18:24 GMT -8
I agree with you on GP, but Tres versus GPII is debatable. Tres is a much better offensive player while GPII is a much better defensive player. If GPII had a consistent outside shot, I would give him the edge, but Tres is a much better scorer. I know you're a Tres hater, but he is an all-time top ten OSU player. He doesn't get enough credit around here. If I had to pick one or the other I personally go GPII. I'll take the guy who makes everyone else better and can play shut down, game changing defense. Not a hater... just argue points that say he's more than he is... better than GP, best player in the Pac12 (I get POY is a vote that isn't always the best player IMHO... as I would have voted TT over Nowell last season?!) , or sure NBA player (even 1st rd draft choice has been mentioned). He's a good college player no doubt. But he has physical liabilities that keep from being a tier above. Namely he's not highly athletic... hence, at times a huge defensive liability in most matchups vs elite wings, nor particular adept vs PF that has post up game. But, I'll admit I am bias agaisnt his on-court antics... whines almost as much as his Dad (ok, exaggeration as WT whines EVERY call that goes against OSU), and is constantly throwing his arms out in surprise followed by the obligatory look to WT. And, I'll also admit I've been influenced by two former players' parents who say the TT/WT dynamic has been the locker room "distraction". It went from TT doing nothing right and constantly being harped on, called out, example being made to never being called out, excuses/blame laid at others' feet for his defensive lapses. They seemed to swing back and forth in this bi-polar relationship with the elder Thompson often having to step in and offer advice or take over in coaching up TT. The weird thing... I think I'd love TT more as a player if he'd not played for his Dad?! Wayne seems like a heart attack waiting to happen and one of those guys who blows his stack and then repeatedly apologizes for it later. Again... much of my subjective opinion on TT is not his fault. But, objectively he doesn;t have the overall athleticism to make him elite... point, streak, rebound numbers or not. PS- in the same light, does it bother anyone else that the pre-intro video is 95% TT, ET, KK with very few minor higlights of anyone else? Doesn't seem very "family/team" friendly. I thought early on it was that there were no clips of some... but AH, ZR, AV should have plenty. Then after a few games there would be some of everyone. Will it change up later? My opinion is that TT is our own Kyle Singler. Great college player that is not the right fit for the NBA due to his lack of quickness. He may get a sniff, but it will probably be as a two-way player like Eubanks. Or, as a 3-point weapon off the bench if he can consistently knock down NBA threes. As far as the whining, yes I'm not a big fan. That is why I hate the Houston Rockets with a passion. Two of the biggest whiners in the league that travel and get almost every foul call, except when they think one is missed, they act like it was the crime of the century. And yes, I have noticed the intro is heavily weighted towards the Big 3. ZR probably doesn't have a lot of highlights to show, but Hollins has a few. It would probably make more sense if it was just TT and KK since you could justify it as them being the seniors. Hopefully they will add to it as the season goes on. ZR and Hollins both deserve some more screen time in that intro. |
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Post by zzufrevaeb on Nov 21, 2019 11:10:43 GMT -8
Good win, #GoBeavs
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Post by beaverinohio on Nov 21, 2019 11:13:31 GMT -8
Has anyone else noticed that ZR seems to have taken on TT's "throwing of arms" and shaking of head every time a call goes against him or he makes a mistake?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2019 11:43:44 GMT -8
I agree with you on GP, but Tres versus GPII is debatable. Tres is a much better offensive player while GPII is a much better defensive player. If GPII had a consistent outside shot, I would give him the edge, but Tres is a much better scorer. I know you're a Tres hater, but he is an all-time top ten OSU player. He doesn't get enough credit around here. If I had to pick one or the other I personally go GPII. I'll take the guy who makes everyone else better and can play shut down, game changing defense. Not a hater... just argue points that say he's more than he is... better than GP, best player in the Pac12 (I get POY is a vote that isn't always the best player IMHO... as I would have voted TT over Nowell last season?!) , or sure NBA player (even 1st rd draft choice has been mentioned). He's a good college player no doubt. But he has physical liabilities that keep from being a tier above. Namely he's not highly athletic... hence, at times a huge defensive liability in most matchups vs elite wings, nor particular adept vs PF that has post up game. GP II's numbers in the 2015-2016 tourney year don't come close to matching what TT so far is doing this year or even his career averages of course this is skewed for small sample size but still: GP II (2015-2016): GP GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% RPG AST STL BLK PPG
32 32 34.3 .486 .314 .642 7.8 5.0 2.5 0.5 16.0 TT (so far 2019-2020): GP GS MIN FG% 3P% FT% REB AST BLK STL PTS5 5 35.8 53.9 45.8 74.1 10.2 4.4 1.2 1.2 22.6
And for being the amazing defender we all remember GP II to be shouldnt he have more blocks per game and a LOT more steals per game than TT? And even with the crackdown on flopping i think Tres will still average one charge taken a game which i don't recall being a specialty of GP II. Let's remember that GP II was not a reliable shooter. That team made the tourney with a lot of help from a much younger TT. Not trying to demean GP II. Loved the guy's unselfish teamwork and demonic defense but if this team makes the tourney and i think they will, it will be much more because of TT than 2016 was about GP II. |
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Post by mbabeav on Nov 21, 2019 12:28:23 GMT -8
All I will say is, respect the stats, even if you claim not to respect the guy.
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Post by atownbeaver on Nov 21, 2019 13:43:40 GMT -8
All I will say is, respect the stats, even if you claim not to respect the guy. I just think it is really sad how much our fans disrespect the best all around player in the Pac... We have gotten so far up our own asses over this coach's kid bulls%#t it is amazing. I have absolutely no doubt there are some issues around that. i have no doubt people make some comments. I have no doubt it makes for an interesting locker room. Hell, I have no doubt that maybe some players have left over it. But at the same time, we have a daily double-double player on our team (disclaimer: broad generalization not a statement of fact though through 5 games he is averaging a double double...) and he continues to meet fan scrutiny like nearly no other player I have ever seen. Guy is a f%#*in' baller leaving it all on the court every night. Just give him his due and stop having all the qualifiers and caveats. he has earned it. Is he GP? nope. His is a GPII level talent? Yes. is he an OSU "Great"? undoubtedly. That is a long list, and he is on it. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Nov 21, 2019 13:54:01 GMT -8
All I will say is, respect the stats, even if you claim not to respect the guy. I just think it is really sad how much our fans disrespect the best all around player in the Pac... We have gotten so far up our own asses over this coach's kid bulls%#t it is amazing. I have absolutely no doubt there are some issues around that. i have no doubt people make some comments. I have no doubt it makes for an interesting locker room. Hell, I have no doubt that maybe some players have left over it. But at the same time, we have a daily double-double player on our team (disclaimer: broad generalization not a statement of fact though through 5 games he is averaging a double double...) and he continues to meet fan scrutiny like nearly no other player I have ever seen. Guy is a f%#*in' baller leaving it all on the court every night. Just give him his due and stop having all the qualifiers and caveats. he has earned it. Is he GP? nope. His is a GPII level talent? Yes. is he an OSU "Great"? undoubtedly. That is a long list, and he is on it. But, he's not. I can name 4 off the top of my head that are better ALL around... but, I'll let you search then argue. Funny you mention all around but nothing about defense? And, of course stating an opinions on a player's weakness is disrespectful? Lol... agree with atown cuz he knows ballers! And, if TT is not voted POY again, must be a screw job? If he is he's truly the best all around? Yeah... Just the over the top drivel I was talking about. From very good to the "best all around". |
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