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Post by oldbeav on Oct 30, 2019 15:10:46 GMT -8
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Post by wbosh15 on Oct 30, 2019 15:29:35 GMT -8
Tough news. Sounds like she's very upset about the result. Hopefully she will be able to fully go soon. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Oct 30, 2019 15:31:45 GMT -8
Tough news. Sounds like she's very upset about the result. Hopefully she will be able to fully go soon. Sounded like it. I'm hoping that disappointment isn't at all related to her current health/timetable for this year. |
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Post by kersting13 on Oct 30, 2019 15:57:09 GMT -8
5 years ago, we would have known this outcome already, correct? She played in too large a % of games according to the rules, it's just that the NCAA has seemingly been handing out exceptions for transfers, medical redshirts, 6th years, etc beyond what they used to do.
It's sometimes better to know there are hard and fast rules, so you can be confident in what the outcome will be, rather than have a lot of exceptions being given so that you hold out hope that yours will be one of those they choose to "break" the rules for.
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Post by bvrbooster on Oct 30, 2019 16:21:18 GMT -8
5 years ago, we would have known this outcome already, correct? She played in too large a % of games according to the rules, it's just that the NCAA has seemingly been handing out exceptions for transfers, medical redshirts, 6th years, etc beyond what they used to do. It's sometimes better to know there are hard and fast rules, so you can be confident in what the outcome will be, rather than have a lot of exceptions being given so that you hold out hope that yours will be one of those they choose to "break" the rules for. I agree with that. Rules are rules, and enforcement of them should be consistent. But now I have another question. She is obviously not ready to come back yet. If she didn't come back until halfway through conference play, she'd play in less than 30% of this year's scheduled games. Could she do that, and then once again apply for a 5th year? This would be based on games missed in her 4th year, not her 3rd. I know that's not her intent. I'm asking hypothetically. |
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Post by oldbeav on Oct 30, 2019 16:49:35 GMT -8
Now, had she been from a different school .... Still waiting to hear on Sedona Prince’s appeal.... “The 6’7 center and former McDonald’s All-American is set to sit out the 2019-20 season due to transfer rules, and would be eligible for the 2020-2021 season. Prince, however, is challenging that, and has requested a waiver from the NCAA to be eligible to play immediately, according to Duck Territory. If deemed eligible, Prince would give head coach Kelly Graves and the Ducks, a dynamic inside presence to go along with Sabrina Ionescu on the outside.” highposthoops.com/2019/07/06/sedona-prince-transfer-oregon/ |
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Post by nwhoopfan on Oct 30, 2019 17:11:15 GMT -8
5 years ago, we would have known this outcome already, correct? She played in too large a % of games according to the rules, it's just that the NCAA has seemingly been handing out exceptions for transfers, medical redshirts, 6th years, etc beyond what they used to do. It's sometimes better to know there are hard and fast rules, so you can be confident in what the outcome will be, rather than have a lot of exceptions being given so that you hold out hope that yours will be one of those they choose to "break" the rules for. I agree with that. Rules are rules, and enforcement of them should be consistent. But now I have another question. She is obviously not ready to come back yet. If she didn't come back until halfway through conference play, she'd play in less than 30% of this year's scheduled games. Could she do that, and then once again apply for a 5th year? This would be based on games missed in her 4th year, not her 3rd. I know that's not her intent. I'm asking hypothetically. Yeah, if she only plays part of this season I don't see how it could possibly be any different than Daneesha Provo from Utah, who was granted a 5th year of eligibility. She got hurt the same time as Kat, also played 13 games during what would've been her Sr. season. She played in 12 games at Clemson as a Fr. before transferring to Utah. So if Kat plays 12 games this year, should be the exact same scenario as Provo, right? Except it never works that way with the NCAA, no consistency and no transparency on how they make decisions. Dean from UCLA was also awarded a 5th year of eligibility by the NCAA after transferring early in her soph year at Texas Tech. Kat just needs to transfer and then she'll get another year back for sure. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Oct 30, 2019 17:24:46 GMT -8
The issue on message boards is the rule isn't the end all be all. Just like laws and ruling involving them. There is more to it behind the scenes that involves health issues and other circumstances that fans aren't privy to.
It's not cut and dry... just like life itself. There's not a conspiracy theory around every decision, nor is the NCAA completely inept.
I'm sorry for Kat. But, she's a tough kid, she'll be far better off than some posters here.
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Post by rmancarl on Oct 30, 2019 19:11:37 GMT -8
As far as Kat coming back for this season, didn't SR say the other day that Kat will probably be ready to see action for the first NIT game?
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Post by sparty on Oct 30, 2019 19:46:59 GMT -8
I agree with that. Rules are rules, and enforcement of them should be consistent. But now I have another question. She is obviously not ready to come back yet. If she didn't come back until halfway through conference play, she'd play in less than 30% of this year's scheduled games. Could she do that, and then once again apply for a 5th year? This would be based on games missed in her 4th year, not her 3rd. I know that's not her intent. I'm asking hypothetically. Yeah, if she only plays part of this season I don't see how it could possibly be any different than Daneesha Provo from Utah, who was granted a 5th year of eligibility. She got hurt the same time as Kat, also played 13 games during what would've been her Sr. season. She played in 12 games at Clemson as a Fr. before transferring to Utah. So if Kat plays 12 games this year, should be the exact same scenario as Provo, right? Except it never works that way with the NCAA, no consistency and no transparency on how they make decisions. Dean from UCLA was also awarded a 5th year of eligibility by the NCAA after transferring early in her soph year at Texas Tech. Kat just needs to transfer and then she'll get another year back for sure. Has anyone laid out the differences between Kat situation and Daneesha's situation in detail besides the transfer? Could some sort of legal challenge be filed?
Someone mentioned somewhere weeks ago that if you can prove that Clemson was inept in some sort of medical care with Daneesha and she transferred to Utah to receive better treatment then then she might get the waiver. Of course they would never make that ruling public and give Clemson a black eye. I would think the Sedona Prince situation at Texas was different scenario but I am not sure of that whole story. Prince at least seems more legit in her waiver request sitting out all of last year injured.
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Oct 30, 2019 21:58:47 GMT -8
An acl injury is generally considered a year injury. It usually takes a year to be fully recovered. A redshirt should be the norm and revoked of the player returns early. It would help to insure players are allowed to be at full strength before returning. This situation sucks for Kat and the team.
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Post by easternbuck on Oct 31, 2019 5:39:29 GMT -8
Could we as fans petition or appeal for Kat?
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Post by shelby on Oct 31, 2019 5:53:45 GMT -8
Very inconsistent application of ‘ written guidelines’ only. There are always exceptions in other cases. However, I see nothing that can be done except ‘appeal’ by the school , which will end up the same way - probably.
The best way to manage this is to put fuel to the fire in every teammates heart and use this as extra motivation to go above and beyond for Kat in the upcoming season. Reward Kat with the most special season in Beaver history.
Go Beavers !
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Post by kersting13 on Oct 31, 2019 8:06:08 GMT -8
5 years ago, we would have known this outcome already, correct? She played in too large a % of games according to the rules, it's just that the NCAA has seemingly been handing out exceptions for transfers, medical redshirts, 6th years, etc beyond what they used to do. It's sometimes better to know there are hard and fast rules, so you can be confident in what the outcome will be, rather than have a lot of exceptions being given so that you hold out hope that yours will be one of those they choose to "break" the rules for. I agree with that. Rules are rules, and enforcement of them should be consistent. But now I have another question. She is obviously not ready to come back yet. If she didn't come back until halfway through conference play, she'd play in less than 30% of this year's scheduled games. Could she do that, and then once again apply for a 5th year? This would be based on games missed in her 4th year, not her 3rd. I know that's not her intent. I'm asking hypothetically. You can't typically apply for a medical unless your season is cut short. The games you play have to be in the first half of the season. |
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Post by rafer on Oct 31, 2019 8:37:51 GMT -8
Now, had she been from a different school .... tsdtr maybe, done deal!! |
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