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Post by Werebeaver on Oct 25, 2019 10:55:47 GMT -8
Incredibly disappointing response by President Ray. I guess that's the new normal now, nobody has to accept any responsibility for their own actions. Except the people trying to enforce the law? Crazy. Just crazy. He gave her 30 minutes! Shame on her, shame on Ray, and shame on the NAACP for even trying to justify her actions. I think Jack Webb’s creation, Sgt Joe Friday said it best: “Policing is only easy in a Police State”. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Oct 25, 2019 11:15:18 GMT -8
Incredibly disappointing response by President Ray. I guess that's the new normal now, nobody has to accept any responsibility for their own actions. Except the people trying to enforce the law? Crazy. Just crazy. He gave her 30 minutes! Shame on her, shame on Ray, and shame on the NAACP for even trying to justify her actions. I'm not sure how anyone who viewed that tape saw anything but a self centered, arrogant, entitled young woman. Who was asked the same questions asked of everyone who acted with such unprovoked defiance. Funny, she's breaking the law. But, if she'd been somehow injured or killed the officer would be castrated for ignoring her offense/safety. June is too late for this Prez to be out the door. Another parting embarrassment to the university. |
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Post by kersting13 on Oct 25, 2019 13:12:49 GMT -8
Funny, she's breaking the law. But, if she'd been somehow injured or killed the officer would be castrated for ignoring her offense/safety. That's beyond a real weak sauce example of "breaking the law." Bicycling on the "wrong side" of the road? Seriously? I do it daily. That's right up there with not hand-signaling a stop or turn. I've been pulled over for VERY minor infractions. Not signaling a lane change (when there was literally no other vehicle near me) was the best. The difference is, I didn't have a fit and refuse to cooperate. I knew why I was pulled over - because I was driving my 26-year-old rusty/dirty pick-up truck. I've also gotten the infamous "light on your rear license plate is out", exceeding the speed limit by less than 10 mph, etc. |
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Post by spudbeaver on Oct 25, 2019 13:19:48 GMT -8
Funny, she's breaking the law. But, if she'd been somehow injured or killed the officer would be castrated for ignoring her offense/safety. That's beyond a real weak sauce example of "breaking the law." Bicycling on the "wrong side" of the road? Seriously? I do it daily. That's right up there with not hand-signaling a stop or turn. I know, but the officer was also on a bike, which leads me to believe that since he was most likely riding on the correct side of the street that she was probably headed straight for him. This is of course dumb, and most people would expect at that point to be questioned. All she had to say was "my bad" and that would have been the end of it unless the officer was having a really bad day. But the real question is, "if" you would get pulled over for it, would your behavior toward the officer paralleled the girls? I don't know you, but I doubt it. You also wouldn't have been given 30 minutes to comply if you're a white male. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Oct 25, 2019 13:37:29 GMT -8
Funny, she's breaking the law. But, if she'd been somehow injured or killed the officer would be castrated for ignoring her offense/safety. That's beyond a real weak sauce example of "breaking the law." Bicycling on the "wrong side" of the road? Seriously? I do it daily. That's right up there with not hand-signaling a stop or turn. Yeah, equivalent to other such dangerous crimes like spitting on the sidewalk or jaywalking. Yes they're illegal but do we need OSP to be setting up dragnets to ensure strict compliance? I think their time and OSU's money could be better spent on other priorities. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Oct 25, 2019 18:53:53 GMT -8
Funny, she's breaking the law. But, if she'd been somehow injured or killed the officer would be castrated for ignoring her offense/safety. That's beyond a real weak sauce example of "breaking the law." Bicycling on the "wrong side" of the road? Seriously? I do it daily. That's right up there with not hand-signaling a stop or turn. Then you’re part of the problem. I’m going to run over one of you “enabled” bicyclists that doesn’t obey the rules of the road because you think the laws don’t apply to you. |
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Post by beaver94 on Oct 26, 2019 8:15:19 GMT -8
Then you’re part of the problem. I’m going to run over one of you “enabled” bicyclists that doesn’t obey the rules of the road because you think the laws don’t apply to you. You clearly do a lot of ASSUMING. Ever hear of bike lanes? I ride on the sidewalk, too. It's perfectly legal (except for the downtown area in Corvallis). And when you ride the wrong way in a bike a lane you are breaking the law. It’s also a great way to get hit by a car. I’ve seen so many close calls when a bicyclist is going the wrong way in the bike lane. They are very easy to miss. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Oct 26, 2019 8:39:52 GMT -8
Here's the street. Anyone who went to OSU knows it. 2 blocks north of Monroe St. 20 mph speed limit. Residential unstriped street with cars parked typically on both sides. Cars typically drive right down the center. Bikes typically ride close to the imaginary center stripe to be safe from outswinging car doors. 200 NW 16thWhen one car approaches another, they slow way down to get by. Car/Car, Car/Bike and Bike/Bike collisions are extremely rare. OSP doing dragnets for wrong-side-of-the-street bicycle riders seem excessive. Wonder how many arrests are recorded in this location for cars crossing over the imaginary centerline? |
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Post by spudbeaver on Oct 26, 2019 9:12:19 GMT -8
My earlier point seems to have been made by the fact that this has devolved into a debate about the seriousness of the law on the books instead of a person that not only won’t accept responsibility for that, but then proceeds to be uncooperative, disrespectful and rude to the State police.
Did she expect a positive outcome? Or was she dreaming of becoming the next martyr in the race game?
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Post by spudbeaver on Oct 26, 2019 9:14:34 GMT -8
Here's the street. Anyone who went to OSU knows it. 2 blocks north of Monroe St. 20 mph speed limit. Residential unstriped street with cars parked typically on both sides. Cars typically drive right down the center. Bikes typically ride close to the imaginary center stripe to be safe from outswinging car doors. 200 NW 16thWhen one car approaches another, they slow way down to get by. Car/Car, Car/Bike and Bike/Bike collisions are extremely rare. OSP doing dragnets for wrong-side-of-the-street bicycle riders seem excessive. Wonder how many arrests are recorded in this location for cars crossing over the imaginary centerline? ”OSP doing dragnets for wrong-side-of-the-street bicycle riders” Yeah, that’s what they were doing. Congrats. You just blew the lid off the whole dastardly operation. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Oct 26, 2019 9:19:05 GMT -8
Here's the street. Anyone who went to OSU knows it. 2 blocks north of Monroe St. 20 mph speed limit. Residential unstriped street with cars parked typically on both sides. Cars typically drive right down the center. Bikes typically ride close to the imaginary center stripe to be safe from outswinging car doors. 200 NW 16thWhen one car approaches another, they slow way down to get by. Car/Car, Car/Bike and Bike/Bike collisions are extremely rare. OSP doing dragnets for wrong-side-of-the-street bicycle riders seem excessive. Wonder how many arrests are recorded in this location for cars crossing over the imaginary centerline? ”OSP doing dragnets for wrong-side-of-the-street bicycle riders” Yeah, that’s what they were doing. Congrats. You just blew the lid off the whole dastardly operation. How about the other question. How many cars do you suppose are ever stopped for crossing the imaginary center line on that block? I would feel pretty safe in guessing it's zero even though it's violated hundreds of times a day, 365 days a year. |
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Post by spudbeaver on Oct 26, 2019 9:50:15 GMT -8
”OSP doing dragnets for wrong-side-of-the-street bicycle riders” Yeah, that’s what they were doing. Congrats. You just blew the lid off the whole dastardly operation. How about the other question. How many cars do you suppose are ever stopped for crossing the imaginary center line on that block? I would feel pretty safe in guessing it's zero even though it's violated hundreds of times a day, 365 days a year. I don’t know, but I’ve never heard of one getting stopped for it, then refusing to cooperate with officers for 30 min. But then again, if it happened, and the person was white it would be back page news. Maybe. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Oct 26, 2019 11:23:07 GMT -8
It is not illegal in Oregon to refuse to identify yourself, but police may detain you until they establish your identity. You can be charged with a crime if you provide false identification information. You may refuse to provide your Social Security number. You do not have to answer questions without a lawyer present. To exercise this right, say “I want to speak to a lawyer before answering any questions.” Constitutionally-protected rights are not something to be trifled with. www.aclu-or.org/en/know-your-rights/your-rights-when-stopped-police-oregon |
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Post by zeroposter on Oct 26, 2019 11:47:03 GMT -8
I would much rather deal with the OSP than the rent-a-cop/campus security. IMHO, this is not a positive outcome for OSU. It does sound like it was a done deal prior to this incident, but Ed Ray is wrong if he think's the alternatives are even close to the OSP presence.
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Post by Werebeaver on Oct 26, 2019 14:45:17 GMT -8
I would much rather deal with the OSP than the rent-a-cop/campus security. IMHO, this is not a positive outcome for OSU. It does sound like it was a done deal prior to this incident, but Ed Ray is wrong if he think's the alternatives are even close to the OSP presence. I have to believe that relations between OSU and OSP must have been already frayed behind the scenes and this incident was the proverbial "last straw" for Dr Ray. It's not the kind of statement he would make if the working relationship was otherwise in perfect harmony. |
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